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> high-torque starters, good or bad?
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post Nov 10 2007, 02:22 PM
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Well, I can tell ANOTHER starter is failing. There was great enthusiasm for those gear reduction starters available on ebay - for a while. Then the reports started coming in about possible problems. I think I remember that they were damaging flywheels or something. What has your experience been if you have one of these?
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post Nov 10 2007, 02:27 PM
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My experience is that some of the models don't retract far enough and will hit the flywheel ring gear teeth. I have one in my car that did that. But I noticed the odd noise the first time I tried to start it. Pulled the starter back out and spaced the starter away from the transmission with a washers on each of the mounting bolts. The Cap'n says I'm a fool to do it that way, and I don't disagree with him in theory (the immense torque can/will rock the starter if it's not fully supported). But I'm willing to deal with it. Maybe it's worth talking to Engman about cutting a Hi-Torque Spacer that would more suitably support the starter.
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post Nov 10 2007, 10:49 PM
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Mine has served me well for almost 2 years now. I expect to pull it soon and sell it, as I'm working on another transmission type and won't need it. At that time i'll look at the ring and see if there are any ongoing issues....


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Well, I can tell ANOTHER starter is failing. There was great enthusiasm for those gear reduction starters available on ebay - for a while. Then the reports started coming in about possible problems. I think I remember that they were damaging flywheels or something. What has your experience been if you have one of these?
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post Nov 11 2007, 12:16 AM
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QUOTE(McMark @ Nov 10 2007, 12:27 PM) *

My experience is that some of the models don't retract far enough and will hit the flywheel ring gear teeth. I have one in my car that did that. But I noticed the odd noise the first time I tried to start it. Pulled the starter back out and spaced the starter away from the transmission with a washers on each of the mounting bolts. The Cap'n says I'm a fool to do it that way, and I don't disagree with him in theory (the immense torque can/will rock the starter if it's not fully supported). But I'm willing to deal with it. Maybe it's worth talking to Engman about cutting a Hi-Torque Spacer that would more suitably support the starter.


If you spend a few more bucks and by the good one from RB Performance, Parker, Arizona, you won't have the problems. His are about $170ish.
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post Nov 11 2007, 12:39 AM
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Got mine a couple years ago from Pelican. Turns the 2.7 fine. It's smaller, lighter too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif).
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post Nov 11 2007, 05:38 PM
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While mine works well (e-bay unit), it required a thin spacer to move it away a little bit as it was engaging too far into the flywheel. Yeah, a washer under the bolts will work. I used a full-face spacer I made in leu of washers.
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post Nov 11 2007, 06:13 PM
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They'll knock the teeth right off of aluminum flywheels.
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post Nov 11 2007, 07:07 PM
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Where do you get a totally Al flywheel?
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post Nov 11 2007, 07:42 PM
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For that matter.... Aluminum ring gears..???
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post Nov 11 2007, 08:34 PM
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See this thread.

I have bought 2 starters from Highperformnance USA. One for my 3.6 and the other for a 383 high compression Chevy in my truck. No problems with either. No goofy noises when cranking, no spacers or washers. Bolt in and go......
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post Nov 11 2007, 08:37 PM
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For that matter.... Aluminum ring gears..???
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That's really what I was wondering. I thought that Fidanza makes an aluminum flywheel with the steel ring gear and bolt on friction surface.
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post Nov 11 2007, 09:53 PM
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While mine works well (e-bay unit), it required a thin spacer to move it away a little bit as it was engaging too far into the flywheel. Yeah, a washer under the bolts will work. I used a full-face spacer I made in leu of washers.


Full face spacer thickness? Gotta picture?

Thanks,
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post Nov 12 2007, 12:09 AM
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The washer idea, while expedient, does seem scary. The load transferred to the bolt holes during engagement has got to be quite an impact. I would have to go for one that is the proper throw, or a full spacer to take some of that impact and transfer it to the mounting area, not just the bolts and holes.
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post Nov 12 2007, 11:09 AM
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OEM Bosch starters have little to zero problems.

Do ya feel lucky?

Do ya have AA?

Do you like to buy starters and/or flywheels?

Can you guess my .02 on this issue??
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post Nov 12 2007, 07:13 PM
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No goofy noises when cranking, no spacers or washers. Bolt in and go......

I have the E-Bay starter and it turns over my 11.3:1 LS6 V-8 just fine. Mine bolted right to my 930 box without spacers or any issues.
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post Nov 12 2007, 07:50 PM
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The ebay one I got works very well, but there are other types that do not work well and cause the aforementioned problems. Do a search and you will see.
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post Nov 12 2007, 09:04 PM
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I got the ebay one too and it has worked well for me.

At one point, the starter had a problem. The guy I bought it from cleaned it up and sent it back, no problem. Turned out to be the beginning symptoms of my tranny leak, as fluid was getting inside the starter.
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post Nov 12 2007, 09:21 PM
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My 6mo experience with an ebay hi-torque mini.

It spins quick but often doesn't retract quickly enough and drags.

It is finicky, I mean sometime it just doesn't work. I thought that it was my electrical ignition switch but after I replaced the switch the problem persists, I now know that it is the starter.
I thought it was a reasonable upgrade/alternative to the original, but I soon will be replacing it with an oem replacement type.
I have it spaced out with 3 washers of unknown thickness.
I haven't recently seen the shape of my flywheel but I do know that a rebuilt bosch is cheaper than a new flywheel.
On the other hand it is definitely much lighter and smaller.
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post Nov 12 2007, 09:47 PM
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Patrick MotorSports makes full aluminum flywheels that look like swiss cheese and weigh pretty much nothing. I have installed 3 in my life, one of them because I got the timing just a tad off on fire up, while cranking over on the engine with a high torque starter. Ripped the teeth right off the unit.
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post Nov 12 2007, 10:10 PM
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QUOTE(9146986 @ Nov 12 2007, 09:09 AM) *

OEM Bosch starters have little to zero problems.

Do ya feel lucky?

Do ya have AA?

Do you like to buy starters and/or flywheels?

Can you guess my .02 on this issue??


I agree BUT, Bosch doesn't make new ones and they don't do the rebuilds. The rebuilds are only as good as the rebuilder. That's why I keep cores, send them to a local rebuilder so that I can be assured of quality.

I also prefer the SR68X model which is 1.5hp.
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