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post Nov 12 2007, 03:57 PM
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hey everyone, i figured id post this here to see what you all thought

I am a ME student at NJIT and for a senior design project, Myself and 2 other students will be redesigning the front suspension of the 914. the goal of the project will be to optimize the structural rigidity of the control arm while decreasing weight, also to try and optimize the camber curves and adjustability for racing use.

prettymuch we would be designing a racing control arm. depending on the results, this may be something that could go into a production run..who knows

what im asking is for donations of stock parts. A arms, shocks, tie rods...

i want to try and recreate a front corner of the car that will be easy to modulate and work on for demonstration and testing purposes.

so let me know your thoughts/ideas

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post Nov 29 2007, 10:39 AM
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I'm glad your post count is so high. otherwise I'd think you were scamming for a free front end (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

hmm, lets see....i have a senior design project to test modifications to the idle circuits of the weber 40 idf to reduce pumping losses....so, send me a set of weber 40s..

I'll be your best friend for like, ever

no?
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post Nov 29 2007, 01:07 PM
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lol...if i had a crappy old set i would...

yeah..dont worry its not a scam..all of my research and development information will be free to all of the members of the board. i wont own any of the ideas anyways because im doing the work under my school so even if i tried to sell them after...i could get in lots of trouble

development on this wont start until next semester, im just writing my proposal this semester in our design 1 class, we do the real work in design 2
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post Nov 29 2007, 02:21 PM
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Dude. You won't own any of the ideas because none of it is patentable or copy writable material.

There's no novelty to it.
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post Nov 29 2007, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(alpha434 @ Nov 29 2007, 03:21 PM) *

Dude. You won't own any of the ideas because none of it is patentable or copy writable material.

There's no novelty to it.


Check out these if you don't think so. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
http://www.cracked.com/article_15693_10-mo...r-patented.html
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post Nov 29 2007, 03:02 PM
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Novelty means that it's a new idea, or its an old idea applied to new subject matter. This is neither.

It's the primary requirement for patenting anything. And the hardest part is when some jackhole decides that he want to compete with you and digs up any sort of prior knowledge to nullify your patent. I.E. Bosch 4 prong sparklers are patented internationally. There patent is immediately voided as soon as someone mentions that british airplanes during WWII had almost identical sparklers.

EDIT: (incomplete statement.) Picture of a 935 suspension component is an example of prior knowledge and voids the argument that this is a novel idea.


Signed Chris Logan- patent holder at 18.
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post Nov 29 2007, 03:16 PM
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i know about patents, i applied for one in highschool, what im saying is that because i am in school the work i am doing is not mine, thats all.

the reason a 935 suspension is not really relevant to my project is because it does not allow for both torsion bars and coilovers..and that is one of the goals of this project, to create a part that will allow for both.

i dont know the details of things yet because i have just started, but this will unwind in the following months and everyone will be following the progress...

oh..and i never mentioned the word patent...so relax
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post Nov 29 2007, 03:28 PM
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That was aimed at um.. Tim.


But... even though the school may be able to own the plans and your work done on this project, it cannot retain any rights to it unless the idea has any sort of uniqueness to it. Otherwise, it's just a part.
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post Nov 29 2007, 04:27 PM
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For amusement purposes only. Not meant for serious discussion.
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post Nov 29 2007, 09:19 PM
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I remember that clause when I did my senior project about intellectual property belongs to the school. My team programmed an OBD-II scanner into a linux PC. It worked really well and was all object oriented java. All we needed was the cable, which was like 90 bux, which the school supplied. it was pretty cool, but getting real-time telemetry from the system over the CAN bus wouldnt work because every mfgr has their specific codes for the CAN main computer to ping it with to have it start sending data. that binder of codes was on the order of 400 bux. if we got them we would have had a fully functional OBD-II CAN bus scanner software system complete with virtual dashboard and everything...

anyway, senior projects are cool, best of luck to you
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post Nov 29 2007, 10:07 PM
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Interesting. Our senior projects are all company sponsored and all developments are intellectual property of the company. At least in ME there aren't any "school sponsored" projects. The sponsors are companies like Sikorsky, P&W, Electric Boat, Westinghouse, Wiremold etc and they have students design things that they would ordinarily contract out to other out-of-house engineering firms. Its really great because a lot of people get hired before they graduate by their senior design company sponsor (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Nov 30 2007, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(i love porsche @ Nov 29 2007, 02:07 PM) *

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yeah..dont worry its not a scam..

thats pretty funny...Aaron running a scam.
One of the nicer guys I've met thru this board...except for maybe nychef (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

I hope you followed thru with Bob over at Stable Energies. Those 914s he has stashed over there need to be utilized for something, before they disintegrate.
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post Nov 30 2007, 02:47 PM
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hey i like to think im nicer than richie lol

I called bob last week but got no answer, ill follow up this coming week...its definetly something im looking to do
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post Mar 15 2008, 02:47 PM
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a little update for you all

thanks to ray, i was able to get measurements of the 914 suspension points for the kinematic model, and thanks to bob at stable energies, i have the components to model. Our professor really likes this project so he chose us to compete in an ASME oral presentation contest in april...so i have ALOT of work to do.

I am currently finishing the solid model of the stock control arm, which i will do a structural analysis of, using track data generously provided by the members here.

so things should be picking up soon

here are a few pics of the solid models i have


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post Mar 15 2008, 03:25 PM
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Aaron,

If you get into the rear suspension, I've got Solidworks models of the hubs:

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post Mar 16 2008, 08:01 AM
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I've got a stock 914-4 front end you can have for free. I'm located next to Atlantic City. PM me if you want it.
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post Mar 16 2008, 06:05 PM
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hey i like to think im nicer than richie lol

picking on me again? don't you still owe me money? i should figure out the interest Hmmm $8 @ 3% per week for 50 or 60 weeks. looks like your gonna have to fix my hellhole for free. thats right i.m back from the dead (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif)

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post Mar 16 2008, 06:49 PM
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Richie! Yo brotha (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I am still too freaking busy to come visit (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Hijack over...
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post Apr 4 2008, 10:44 AM
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a little update here, ive been working all week like crazy creating a presentation for the ASME oral presentation competition tomorrow in CT. im still trying to finish it now. Ive got the new control arm prettymuch designed and have done some FEA on it, but i wont post pictures until i know its good....for now though, heres my assembly of the front end, enjoy


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post Apr 4 2008, 11:09 AM
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That looks good Aaron. It'll be interesting to see your new control arms.

Where in CT are the presentations?
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