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| Pat Garvey |
  Jan 12 2008, 08:39 PM
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Do I or don't I...........?  Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States  |
I didn't post this in the "nailed" thread on engines, beacuse no one seems to go to those threads anymore (should I "un-nail those?").
On another thread, in another forum, McMark stated that ALL sheet metal screws used were slotted (not trying to make trouble here), but I believe that to be incorrect. The upper engine tin screws on my 72, which are original to the car, are NOT slotted. Further, they are "cad" plated, and Phillips type screws. Anyone else with an early car want to step in here to make a statement? Pat |
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| Pat Garvey |
 Jan 16 2008, 08:33 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(GWN7 @ Jan 16 2008, 12:30 PM)  OT..sorry to disagree Dave, but any beaver I've had was very tasty (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) http://www.cajuncookingrecipes.com/wildgam...ver_recipes.htm How did this get hijacked into coon ass recipes? Pat Yeah, I know what a "coon ass" is. My former boss is married to one. Man, can she cook! Looks pretty tasty too, but you didn't hear that from me. Now, back to topic. Hmmm, Torx, huh? Pat |
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| Pat Garvey |
Jan 16 2008, 08:40 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(davep @ Jan 16 2008, 11:38 AM) QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jan 15 2008, 05:34 PM) Did a couple of hours research today. In my research between PET & my original paper parts manual I discovered that the terms "panhead" and "cheesehead" are interchangeable & have nothing to do with slotted or phillips type fasteners. Pan head and cheese head are NOT the same thing: http://www.spaenaur.com/view_pdf.asp?Page=R11 Cheese head is DIN 84 and Pan head is DIN 85. There is also a button head that is similar to pan head but is more domed and does not have flat sides. For fasteners you need to specify: drive type: slot, Phillips, etc head type: cheese, pan, etc thread type: machine, sheet metal, thread forming, etc http://www.spaenaur.com/view_pdf.asp?Page=R12 thread diameter & pitch thread length, and if fully threaded or partially threaded material and finish strength grade I would not be eating crow just yet. BTW I understand that beaver is worse than badger. So bad in fact that the beaver is usually boiled, the broth is used but the meat is thrown out. Dave, I could only agree with you if I tasted beaver (which I have not, well other than....). But the taste of that badger is still in my olfactories, and it was horrible. If you think I am a pansy about what I eat, consider that I make Kentucky Burgoo every Derby Day. That's right, with the squirrell, coon & (rarely) Possum in it. And it's good too, if you hold your nose (just kidding - needs to be cooked for about 12 hours though). No, I don't use road kill, because my wife won't let me stop. Pat Another hijack! |
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| JeffBowlsby |
Jan 16 2008, 10:44 PM
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The parts manual specifies where the shorter longer M6 screws go. Look carefully.
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
 Jan 16 2008, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Jan 16 2008, 08:44 PM) The parts manual specifies where Jeff, That would be too easy and obvious for those who rely on their memories, whilst removing the errant feather from their mouth. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Paul |
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| Pat Garvey |
 Jan 17 2008, 09:27 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(1970 Neun vierzehn @ Jan 16 2008, 11:54 PM) QUOTE(Jeff Bowlsby @ Jan 16 2008, 08:44 PM) The parts manual specifies where Jeff, That would be too easy and obvious for those who rely on their memories, whilst removing the errant feather from their mouth. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/poke.gif) Paul Go ahead, get your digs in while you can. I asked for it. And you surely owe me. So, I'll take the digs in stride...................... while I plot to get even! Pat |
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| Pat Garvey |
Mar 14 2008, 04:27 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
I'm going to rear the head of this ugly topic again. Why, because I like abuse!
I'll be changing all the fasteners this weekend and polishing the sheetmetal before installation of the screws. However, having not yet developed a taste for dark-feathered avian quisine (other than Wild Turkey, which is a rain derivative), I want to nail down the type of fastener on the inner sheetmetal-to-case fasteners. Are they, or are they not, phillips types? Also, what are the thoughts towards using non-original stainless fasteners? I have three sets of ferrous & one set on stainless. What would you use, as a CW? Pat Oh, and by the way, the worst Thanksgiving I ever had was 1969. The first & last time I tasted badger. Army horsemeat was so much better. Long story! |
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| McMark |
Mar 14 2008, 11:37 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
914/4 Engine Tin Screw 'Head-Count' (hahaha, A PUN!)
Phillips: Zero (0) Slotted: Lots (lots) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) |
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| Pat Garvey |
Mar 15 2008, 08:17 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(McMark @ Mar 14 2008, 11:37 PM) 914/4 Engine Tin Screw 'Head-Count' (hahaha, A PUN!) Phillips: Zero (0) Slotted: Lots (lots) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) Mark, Shhhh. Keep it to yourself. Changed everything to stainless today. One more bad dream reconciled. More to come. Pat |
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| kconway |
Mar 15 2008, 11:57 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,347 Joined: 6-December 04 From: Monrovia, CA Member No.: 3,231 Region Association: Southern California |
Anybody put together a set of all the panhead screws required for the engine tin or at least a complete parts list/count? Wherer can these be purchased?
Kev |
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| euro911 |
Mar 16 2008, 01:40 AM
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QUOTE(kconway @ Mar 15 2008, 09:57 PM) Anybody put together a set of all the panhead screws required for the engine tin or at least a complete parts list/count? Wherer can these be purchased? Kev I really like the Phillips ones, but will keep the original type on my wife's '71 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Post again if/when you find some Kevin ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
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| Pat Garvey |
Mar 17 2008, 07:09 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jan 16 2008, 08:40 PM) QUOTE(davep @ Jan 16 2008, 11:38 AM) QUOTE(Pat Garvey @ Jan 15 2008, 05:34 PM) Did a couple of hours research today. In my research between PET & my original paper parts manual I discovered that the terms "panhead" and "cheesehead" are interchangeable & have nothing to do with slotted or phillips type fasteners. Pan head and cheese head are NOT the same thing: http://www.spaenaur.com/view_pdf.asp?Page=R11 Cheese head is DIN 84 and Pan head is DIN 85. There is also a button head that is similar to pan head but is more domed and does not have flat sides. For fasteners you need to specify: drive type: slot, Phillips, etc head type: cheese, pan, etc thread type: machine, sheet metal, thread forming, etc http://www.spaenaur.com/view_pdf.asp?Page=R12 thread diameter & pitch thread length, and if fully threaded or partially threaded material and finish strength grade I would not be eating crow just yet. BTW I understand that beaver is worse than badger. So bad in fact that the beaver is usually boiled, the broth is used but the meat is thrown out. Dave, I could only agree with you if I tasted beaver (which I have not, well other than....). But the taste of that badger is still in my olfactories, and it was horrible. If you think I am a pansy about what I eat, consider that I make Kentucky Burgoo every Derby Day. That's right, with the squirrell, coon & (rarely) Possum in it. And it's good too, if you hold your nose (just kidding - needs to be cooked for about 12 hours though). No, I don't use road kill, because my wife won't let me stop. Pat Another hijack! Dave, These links do not work for me! Suggestions, becasue I'm tired of being ignorant about fasteners! Pat |
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| davep |
Mar 18 2008, 10:45 AM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,143 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada  |
I don't know the problem. I just tried the one link in your reply above by right-click and choosing open-in-new-tab and it came up. It is a PDF document, do you have Acrobat enabled in your browser. If you aren't using Firefox, that may be the problem. Or you could try to right-click and choose save-link-as.
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| 1970 Neun vierzehn |
Mar 18 2008, 11:12 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,199 Joined: 16-March 06 From: cincinnati, ohio Member No.: 5,727 |
No problem here either, right click or left click gets me to the charts.
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| kconway |
Mar 18 2008, 02:13 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,347 Joined: 6-December 04 From: Monrovia, CA Member No.: 3,231 Region Association: Southern California |
Anybody have a list of sizes and quantities for all the tin screws?
Kev |
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| Pat Garvey |
Mar 18 2008, 05:37 PM
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Do I or don't I...........? Group: Members Posts: 5,899 Joined: 24-March 06 From: SE PA, near Philly Member No.: 5,765 Region Association: North East States |
QUOTE(davep @ Mar 18 2008, 10:45 AM) I don't know the problem. I just tried the one link in your reply above by right-click and choosing open-in-new-tab and it came up. It is a PDF document, do you have Acrobat enabled in your browser. If you aren't using Firefox, that may be the problem. Or you could try to right-click and choose save-link-as. Don't know what the problem is, but I still cannot use that link. I can get there using google, but something doesn't work right with that link for me. And, every page from the main site loads up with a blank page. Scratch, scratch? Have the latest verson of Adobe too. I give up! Pat |
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