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> Thinking of adding a 912 to the fold, any recommendations?
swood
post Jan 16 2004, 01:01 PM
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I've got a family of 4 and it sure would be nice to take them all when the need to drive a P-car comes up. I figgered a 912 would be a (reasonably) economical way to go. I could put in a hot /4 and away we go.

I see theres about 7 or 8 of em for sale in the recycler pretty cheap. I know, you get what you pay for.
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Elliot_Cannon
post Jan 16 2004, 01:07 PM
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Hi,
Four people will fit in a 912 if two of them are less than 3 feet tall. I think 69 would be a good year. That year I believe has the same wheel base, chassis size etc. as the 911.
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post Jan 16 2004, 01:13 PM
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Yes, get a 69 if you can.
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post Jan 16 2004, 02:05 PM
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I would recommend a '69. The parts are shared with the later 911's and you get the longer wheel base. Check out my site for more pictures of my '69 912.

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post Jan 16 2004, 02:14 PM
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Thanks. Yeah, so far my kids are little. I think it's a good change up from having two '14s. I'll check your site Britain.

This is actully the only one that says it's a '69. Don't like the whale tale though.
Recycler ad - I think
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post Jan 16 2004, 03:12 PM
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Yeah, 912's rule. Lots fun of and you can fool the 911 guy's.
Not sure about economical, body parts probably not too bad, but regular engine stuff will be comperable in price to the Hi performance 914 stuff and a bit harder to find.
-Ever see a 356/912 with any parts at an average wrecking yard?
But if you do the work yourself and do it right, you'll always come out ahead on an old Porsche.
Unless you're me, but I usually do things wrong so I have something to do later.
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post Jan 16 2004, 03:32 PM
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Do a 69 with a T4 conversion. My friend Grant has one (a hotrod 2056) and it rocks.

(IMG:http://www.qtm.net/~persot/912/complete_2056.jpg)

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He's got 16x6/7 (front/rear) on it and it looks the part of a 911.

Other than the liscense plate that says...

"NOTA911"

LOL

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post Jan 16 2004, 05:04 PM
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I recently sold my awesome 912 engine after I made the commitment to the type-4 power. But I think I am taking the concept a bit further...I am build a 2.3L type-4 engine, turbo-charged, Tec-3 FI, 98mm nickie's, with a 911 fan shroud. It will look like a 911 engine when you open the lid, but only have four cylinders...and go like hell!

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post Jan 16 2004, 05:17 PM
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912s are cool. There are decent bargains on good ones at Pamona. I've seen solid, clean cars go for 5k or less.

Stay away from 912E's unless you want a truly bastard car. There are lots of 1 year only parts on that car.
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post Jan 16 2004, 07:11 PM
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Cool info guys. I think that would be a nice thing to have. I really like the T4. I'm just not interested, at this point, to get into /6's. A bit rich for my blood.

Food for thought. I'll start lookin. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/clap56.gif)
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post Jan 18 2004, 02:12 PM
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Steve, understand that the early 912's to '69 share nothing in common with the TypeIV that you have worknig knowledge of. When you said "hot rod 4," you can't mean the early motor. That would cost you as much as a 6. The '76 912E is the one with the TypeIV, but try to find sheet metal to put a TypeIV in an early car. Since they made the car for one year only, the SM and other parts are very rare and expensive. Either get a '76 (they're not cheap) or plan on putting a TypeI in the earlier 912 (dog) or plan on spending as much as you would doing anything else. There ain't no free lunch.
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post Jan 18 2004, 02:17 PM
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The 912 (and early 911s) has a 901 transmission just like the 914, which means that a Type IV bolts right up into a 912. The stock cooling even fits. Gotta modify tin and make a mount bar, but as far as putting a Type IV into a 912 it's a cakewalk. EASY!
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post Jan 19 2004, 01:05 AM
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something to think about with a type IV in a 912, even though the engine will bolt right up to a 912 transmission, the gearing will be all wrong for the type IV. You really need a 914 gearset in there, but you can't just use a 914 transmission or you'll get 5 reverse gears and one forward...
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post Jan 19 2004, 07:50 AM
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Agreed on the gearing - it's not too bad, but my friend is replacing his trans with a modifed 914 unit (flipped ring gear) and it should be all good.

Cooling tin is cake and exhaust is as well. Get a set of 411 heater boxes (then you have heat), a bus header (or BAS system), some U-bend, and a muffler.

(IMG:http://www.qtm.net/~persot/912/exhaust1.jpg)

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Later
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post Jan 19 2004, 08:44 AM
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Very interesting info guys. I'd like to look into this more. I've heard of a few guys (I think) flipping something in the 901 to use it in this type of application, just cant recall.

What are the general differences, good and bad between the early 912's and the '76? The '76 had a 2.0 with L-Jet? That doesnt seem like a bad platform to start with. I've seen two of them over the weekend in decent shape for about 7500.00.
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post Jan 19 2004, 08:55 AM
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Type IV 914 motor n a tail dragger.....can't be done.....
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post Jan 19 2004, 08:58 AM
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Steebo,

Get a 912E if you like, but get a roller, and buy a used TIV out of a 74 914, if you want injection.


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post Jan 19 2004, 09:53 AM
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912 E.....best bet. They get no respect, I had one for sale....club owner that died....beautiful original car....sold for like 4500.00......

They should start increasing i9n value once smog exempt and you can get rid of theose thermal destroyers.
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post Jan 19 2004, 10:04 AM
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4500 for a nice E would be a smoking deal up here. they seem to command a high premium. they are galvanized, correct?

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post Jan 19 2004, 11:33 AM
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If the E's have a T4, what trans do they use? a 901? and is it in front of the engine?

Are there any online manuals available like we have here for the 14? I need to do some more research.

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I've got the '74 914 donor in my garage if I need another t4 and trans
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