A Real One For Ya, Straight from the doctor me thinks Options

[SLITS]

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Legal if you don't get caught .... at least in California .... your state may have different laws.

So, basically you steal a car and buy a set of VINs, change them and you didn't steal the car at all .... yeah, RIGHT.

"Yes Sir, Your Honor, it was built on a replacement chassis from the factory that came with no numbers."

I'm going to add to this something that I told an Admin of this site I wouldn't ..... My point in starting the thread was that any of us with less than Diety standing in the 914 World would have been taken apart by the membership of this non-club for even listing a piece of shit like that. The language of the listing made me puke as it was designed to pull in a buyer with less than a smattering of knowledge about 914s. It is shades of what we were all used to from the seller by whatever name they choose to use after being called out.

If the listing were reported to eBay (which I won't do 'cause it's really none of my business how shoddy someone else runs theirs), I firmly believe the add would be pulled in a flat second.

I am now done with this thread.

[rhodyguy]

"chief, do you think it could be a violation of local, state, or federal laws?"

"what?"

"i said" "DO...YOU...THINK...IT...COULD...BE...A...VIOLATION...OF...LOCAL...STATE...OR...FEDERAL...LAWS?!!!!"

[Twise]

Well at least it has the "factory goop around the shock towers"!

LMFAO (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

No, It's not legal. Well, to sell a car with 6 numbers when they don't belong there. The cars that are retagged are not oto be sold as legal cars anymore. I had to check on this. One of our So. Cal. guys screwed me when I thought I bought my first 914 and the car was tagged as a '72 but was really a '75. I checked what my recorse would be and was told that the guy that sold me the car would have his life turned upside down with investigations. I decided it wasn't worth ruining someones life and just bit the bullet. Tough loss and still would like to break his knees................ If I ever make it down to Costa Messa again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

PM - Name and address - Costa Mesa is close - I pay him a visit for you...


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I don't know what to think about this - It is a tad bit shady - But to each his own - The bids are up to 720.00 right now. Thats 1220.00 /w the vin... Somebodys bidding on it. Its gotta be someone knowledgable enough to do something with that heap. What I see is a way to make any 914 a factory six for 1220.00 with a title and numbers... That is pretty shady...

[PeeGreen 914]

Well at least it has the "factory goop around the shock towers"!

LMFAO (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

No, It's not legal. Well, to sell a car with 6 numbers when they don't belong there. The cars that are retagged are not oto be sold as legal cars anymore. I had to check on this. One of our So. Cal. guys screwed me when I thought I bought my first 914 and the car was tagged as a '72 but was really a '75. I checked what my recorse would be and was told that the guy that sold me the car would have his life turned upside down with investigations. I decided it wasn't worth ruining someones life and just bit the bullet. Tough loss and still would like to break his knees................ If I ever make it down to Costa Messa again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

PM - Name and address - Costa Mesa is close - I pay him a visit for you...


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I don't know what to think about this - It is a tad bit shady - But to each his own - The bids are up to 720.00 right now. Thats 1220.00 /w the vin... Somebodys bidding on it. Its gotta be someone knowledgable enough to do something with that heap. What I see is a way to make any 914 a factory six for 1220.00 with a title and numbers... That is pretty shady...

PM sent (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

[914-8]

I'm pretty sure it is illegal under federal law to even sell cut off VIN tags.

And certainly illegal to affix them to the chassis of a different car.

[TROJANMAN]

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[736conver]

Well its good to see that this is listed in our VIN database, for future reference.
Did someone just put it in there or has it been there awhile now.

Heres the 914world link to it

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Maybe they just needed to post a vin to advertise the car. No surprises,
pictures posted show you what your bidding on.

You hit it on the money. This car (a real six) was used to repair a customer's six. Many many parts left over (like the dash buck someone mentioned) and an original tagged six engine lid etc etc Nice straight innerstructure. As valuable as sixes are these days, there is a lot here for the money.
(I never thought when writing the description that anyone would not know that there were no tags on the car as here in Georgia, if any old car has numbers it can be registered very easily.


No mystery about this one gentlemen

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

But what I want to learn is about the extra value of real sixes in general.

Apparently $500, if you can find someone to sell you a set of "6" tags.


This is like a Tragic Comedy

They go for more these days, more like 1000! It is nuts the way these cars have appreciated. so so many 914-6 models were scrapped in the past that there are many sets of tags and titles floating around and NONE of them were stolen just smashed rusted and scrapped. (back then one could not even GIVE away a six!!!!)

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

I'm pretty sure it is illegal under federal law to even sell cut off VIN tags.

And certainly illegal to affix them to the chassis of a different car.

No in fact not. Porsche used to sell bodies in blank until the middle 80s when they ran out. One would buy the body, retag it with the smashed car's tags, repaint it and then get it inspected by an official to make sure all of the tags were installed properly. Porsche always said replace the body rather than fix a hard wreck.

It is all in the intent!!!!!!!!!!

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Well at least it has the "factory goop around the shock towers"!

LMFAO (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

No, It's not legal. Well, to sell a car with 6 numbers when they don't belong there. The cars that are retagged are not oto be sold as legal cars anymore. I had to check on this. One of our So. Cal. guys screwed me when I thought I bought my first 914 and the car was tagged as a '72 but was really a '75. I checked what my recorse would be and was told that the guy that sold me the car would have his life turned upside down with investigations. I decided it wasn't worth ruining someones life and just bit the bullet. Tough loss and still would like to break his knees................ If I ever make it down to Costa Messa again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

PM - Name and address - Costa Mesa is close - I pay him a visit for you...


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I don't know what to think about this - It is a tad bit shady - But to each his own - The bids are up to 720.00 right now. Thats 1220.00 /w the vin... Somebodys bidding on it. Its gotta be someone knowledgable enough to do something with that heap. What I see is a way to make any 914 a factory six for 1220.00 with a title and numbers... That is pretty shady...

These days the italians are reconstruction Porsche speedsters from only a cowl with numbers. That is because they are worth so much and worth saving anything. Why not save a piece of Porsche history and bring back all of the serial numbers. ANY expert would know that the car was reconstructed, but so what? A speedster saved, a 914-6 saved, so so what???

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

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Legal if you don't get caught .... at least in California .... your state may have different laws.

So, basically you steal a car and buy a set of VINs, change them and you didn't steal the car at all .... yeah, RIGHT.

"Yes Sir, Your Honor, it was built on a replacement chassis from the factory that came with no numbers."

I'm going to add to this something that I told an Admin of this site I wouldn't ..... My point in starting the thread was that any of us with less than Diety standing in the 914 World would have been taken apart by the membership of this non-club for even listing a piece of shit like that. The language of the listing made me puke as it was designed to pull in a buyer with less than a smattering of knowledge about 914s. It is shades of what we were all used to from the seller by whatever name they choose to use after being called out.

If the listing were reported to eBay (which I won't do 'cause it's really none of my business how shoddy someone else runs theirs), I firmly believe the add would be pulled in a flat second.

I am now done with this thread.

It is all in the intent. Saving Porsche history or stealing a Cadillac

[PeeGreen 914]

Well, out here in Washington and California you cannot retag a car. It is illegal to do, and if you sell a car that is retagged you better be able to prove you did not do it. That is why I sold the one I found was to be retagged to someone for nothing and they knew it was retagged. I only wish the guy selling it to me would have been honest about that. Oh, but then he wouldn't have sold the car.

So, if it is not tagged anymore and you go to redo the car you really can't say it is a 6 can you?

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

George,

* No numbers.
* Can title it with numbers from a car that was crushed years ago.

You're supposed to be running a legitimate, upstanding business. Just the fact that you have a -6 chassis with the numbers cut off it makes others wonder... "Where exactly did those numbers go?"

I don't understand why you wouldn't simply cut out the motor mount (not shown in the picture... probably already gone), take out that dash, remove the engine lid with the light weight springs and sell those pieces. Rear quarters could be blasted so the original early lip rear openings could be sold. As f'd up as that tub is, you could still manage to net close to a grand by selling the parts legitimately.

This kind of stuff continues to make you look bad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

The car was way too bad for the customer to save so he had us reconstruct his rust y 914-6 with a rust free four donor. We have a Georgia State rebuilders license and can rebuild cars here as we please and after they are rebuilt they are inspected by the government inspector for goodness.

[TROJANMAN]

George,
What number is on the engine lid?

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Ummmm,,,eerrrr,,arrrgghhhh....kinda hard to defend this one, Doc.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)

Absolutely no defense needed what so ever. We have rebuilt many many cars here and are now doing comprehensive restorations. We have purchased in the distant past blank bodies from Porsche and reconstructed badly wrecked customers cars. I will continue to save any 914 I can and will not cut up any body. We have plenty of them up the street resting in peace waiting for a savior.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

George,
What number is on the engine lid?

funny Nice looking stickers though!

[736conver]

We have a Georgia State rebuilders license and can rebuild cars here as we please and after they are rebuilt they are inspected by the government inspector for goodness.

So who knows what you might buy from AA. Might be a real six might be a fake, they can rebuild cars as they please.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

Well, out here in Washington and California you cannot retag a car. It is illegal to do, and if you sell a car that is retagged you better be able to prove you did not do it. That is why I sold the one I found was to be retagged to someone for nothing and they knew it was retagged. I only wish the guy selling it to me would have been honest about that. Oh, but then he wouldn't have sold the car.

So, if it is not tagged anymore and you go to redo the car you really can't say it is a 6 can you?

And that is the key. Be honest about it and have the car inspected. Someone in the know can spot a restored or reconstructed car immediately. These days 914s are really way too expensive to restore practically and those dear souls who spring for the restoration want the best they can afford. A guy buys his six new and has a rusted mess that would cost 100,000 to restore, finds a rust free but sad looking 70 71 four for 1500, saves 50,000 even though he no longer has his original body. He is keeping the car for life so to him it really doesn't matter but the money savings does, AND he will have a finer restoration as a result.

[dr914@autoatlanta.com]

There is a funny article about a 911 turbo on our website that I inspected and then called the cops. Please read it for a laugh.


http://www.autoatlanta.com/Life/930story.html