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> Serious: Totaled my 914 yesterday, everyone OK :(
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post Apr 28 2008, 11:00 AM
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GLAD YOU BOTH ARE OK. that was a hit that could have been ....................!
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post Apr 28 2008, 11:02 AM
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Considering I wasnt going that fast I think that is a lot of damage, but I also think I hit it right on the weakest point and worst point body wise.

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the skid and the pole
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With my back to the pole looking at the path traveled toward it
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post Apr 28 2008, 11:05 AM
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Very sad photos (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

But at least you have an opportunity to get rid of that stupid front bumper (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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post Apr 28 2008, 11:06 AM
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Glad to hear you guys are gonna be ok. With the talent between the two of you, the car can be easily replaced. Get well Chris. Let me know if there is any way I can help.
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post Apr 28 2008, 11:07 AM
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QUOTE(ericread @ Apr 28 2008, 01:05 PM) *

Very sad photos (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

But at least you have an opportunity to get rid of that stupid front bumper (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)


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post Apr 28 2008, 11:08 AM
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Geeeez, that looks like it could have been easily a fatality. Did the PD show up and give ya the third degree?
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post Apr 28 2008, 11:11 AM
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Fuck.

I am off work till wednesday. Lemme know if you want me to come up and pull all the good bits off.

I was really hoping your PM was a joke....

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post Apr 28 2008, 11:12 AM
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Fuch Mike...Shit!

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Elequint aren't I...
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post Apr 28 2008, 11:17 AM
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I too am glad you are both okay. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

That was a nasty hit, the worst kind actually and merely inches (maybe a foot) away from being the perfect storm. Good reminder for all of us...because any of us can make a mistake and pay an equally high (or much higher) price. The good thing is you are here to tell us about it! And thank heavens Chris is gonna be alright.

As for causes, it's almost impossible to tell. 35 mph does not sound very fast for the corners as I see them in your pics (in dry conditions). But then roads differ and what we don't know is the critical having-driven-it part. Corners can be deceptive, pavement adhesion can vary quite a bit, etc. All that said, I'd want to check your suspension mounting points (noting possible impact damage...) as well as your diff (open or lsd), and anything else.

That said, and I say this very respectfully!!!, if you didn't hear anything funny or feel anything suddenly and subtly wiggle in the back before she broke loose, mechanical failure seems unlikely. Given your state of mind as you describe it, which is very similar to how any reasonable person should be when giving a "fun" ride to anyone, it's very strange that you had any problem at all. Other questions: when was your last alignment, any recent suspension changes, any funny shock problems recently, new tires, etc?

I respect your desire to figure out what happened, but know that, on occasion, the input that caused a spin can be very hard to pin down (though there's always a reason!). Other times, it's easy. My last one wasn't. It came while trying to pass a car (that had been blocking me for 3 laps) on track. I couldn't figure out what I did wrong for days (but knew I musta done somethin!). Then a racer, after listening to my frustrating story, told me that I'd probably stopped listening to the car because I was concentrating on the guy in front of me. As soon as he said it, I *knew* he was right. It perfectly explained why I only realized the tail was coming around that split second after it was too late to do anything about it. Oh, there was a warning/I screwed up, but I just wasn't paying attention. It was like I looked down and noticed that the steering lock didn't match all the other feelings I had in the car. But, even as I went to correct, it was just too late.

Were you distracted in the moment? Sounds unlikely, but there's a lot to look at. Too fast for corner/conditions, mechanical, distraction... or maybe something else entirely? What's your skill level, how many times have you been sideways (esp. in a mid-engined car), etc?

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post Apr 28 2008, 11:27 AM
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One officer arrived and took info. He was very nice and I did not get scolded. I was expecting it, but I was also and am still in disbelief that I did something wrong in that turn. Here is all I got. In the biz we call it a "seatbelt sign".


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post Apr 28 2008, 11:36 AM
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HOLY SHIT MIKE! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shocked[1].gif)

The way that car is bashed up, it's a wonder that you both are OK. You guys got lucky, if there's anything you can take away from this incident.

But maaan... that car is seriously fuched up. Really sorry to hear about it, I know you worked really hard building it.
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post Apr 28 2008, 11:43 AM
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So sorry Evil, but Happy you guys just got knocked around a bit!

Let me know If you need something dude! You name it!

If you need help pulling parts, I can be there in 2 hours 'with tools'.

I have a torch I can bring but not a plasma cutter!

Just let me know what I can do.
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post Apr 28 2008, 11:44 AM
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any signs of oil? from you or some one else?

check the oil lines. that would be the only thing i could come up with for a all of the sudden "what the hell!" spin.

p.s sorry for your loss. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Apr 28 2008, 11:46 AM
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Evil,

So sorry to hear of this news. Glad you both are ok. Cars can be replaced, you can't.

One thing to note in your road pics: typical PA road with NO berm. Nada! 12 inches over the little white line and there is no road surface. These roads are super dangerous because of that. If you had even 1/2 of a lane of paved berm you probably wouldn't have hit anything.
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post Apr 28 2008, 11:49 AM
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Damn this sucks - glad both of you are somewhat OK.

Keep me posted on what you need. That was one beautiful car.....


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post Apr 28 2008, 11:51 AM
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Oh yeah,

Say what you will, but I'm voting for a plate that doesn't say EVIL next time... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Apr 28 2008, 12:08 PM
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You're really lucky you didn't hit the other 75 poles on that stretch of road while you were going faster. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

Early or late doors?
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post Apr 28 2008, 12:09 PM
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Wow, sorry to hear about this Mike. I am glad to hear you guys are okay and that Chris is doing well with everything. It's true, cars can be replaced, but people like you are few and far between. If you need anything let us all know.
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post Apr 28 2008, 12:12 PM
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Evil -

Man o man!

Glad the two of you emerged (relatively) unscathed - given the nature of the damage!

Let me know if there is anything I can do!
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post Apr 28 2008, 12:14 PM
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As said many times before .....cars can be replaced. I have driven that same road many many times over the last 40 years. Yes and taking those turns at 35 can be done in a 914....that said I suspect that the road may have still been a tad damp and oil filmed.Remember that is a low spot and the road floods there all the time. (road floods,water pools,all the oil from no rain for over a week flows to the low point).
A speedy recovery to you both.
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