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| jfort |
 May 11 2008, 07:14 PM
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Senior Member  Group: Members Posts: 1,135 Joined: 5-May 03 From: Findlay, OH Member No.: 652 Region Association: Upper MidWest 
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The day finally arrived - flare project done. Picked up car Saturday. Drove the 5 mile trip home. It was running rough but it has been all winter with little running. I put in new spark plugs. Still idled rough. I would hear a crack sound while I was watching it idle. Noticed arcing from side terminal on coil to center terminal. Tried to move the car and the engine quit and it will not re-start. Bad coil? I have a new one on the way. What else could it be?
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| Rusty |
May 11 2008, 07:19 PM
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Wanted: Engine case GA003709 Group: Admin Posts: 7,941 Joined: 24-December 02 From: North Alabama Member No.: 6 Region Association: Galt's Gulch 
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I'd check your plug wires. If they are not conducting properly - the spark will want to jump to somewhere.
I would consider cleaning your plugs, too. They are likely fouled if the spark isn't strong enough to burn all the fuel in the cylinder. |
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| proto31 |
May 12 2008, 10:15 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 413 Joined: 2-February 06 From: Costa Mesa, CA. Member No.: 5,515 Region Association: None  |
You might have fried your CDI box with all that shorting going on, that would be a good explanation as to why your car will not starts. Hope you have a spare!
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| 6freak |
May 12 2008, 10:23 AM
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MR.C Group: Members Posts: 4,740 Joined: 19-March 08 From: Tacoma WA Member No.: 8,829 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(Rusty @ May 11 2008, 06:19 PM)  I'd check your plug wires. If they are not conducting properly - the spark will want to jump to somewhere. I would consider cleaning your plugs, too. They are likely fouled if the spark isn't strong enough to burn all the fuel in the cylinder. Try the coil first borrow one or something !just get it running !shut the garage door and turn out the lights!(easy at nite) if the spark is jumping you will see it .if you still think its a plug wire GRAB it with you bare hands if its bad it will shock the hell outa ya ..at least yell know if its your wires` Come on dont be a pussy just grab it .....And yes it will hurt |
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| IronHillRestorations |
May 12 2008, 01:30 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,719 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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The CDI box will make a faint whine when it's on. The CDI ignition does not use a coil, it looks like one, but it isn't a coil.
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| jfort |
May 12 2008, 02:01 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,135 Joined: 5-May 03 From: Findlay, OH Member No.: 652 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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thanks for the responses. i can't believe it is a spark wire. they are relatively new -- the orange, expensive one. but we will check. my mechanic friend is coming out for a house call on Wed. He knows (and tried to explain to me) that it is something different from the classic coil for the CDI that I have. He has ordered a new one. I hope it is not the CDI box itself. I am hoping he has a spare so we can isolate the problem. I remember replacing one on a 911 one time and it was expensive.
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| SLITS |
May 12 2008, 04:22 PM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None |
Factory calls it a "transformer". Instead of being fed about 9 VDC (conventional coil with resistor), the CDI shoots about 3 - 400 Volts at it.
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| 6freak |
May 13 2008, 09:42 AM
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MR.C Group: Members Posts: 4,740 Joined: 19-March 08 From: Tacoma WA Member No.: 8,829 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(SLITS @ May 12 2008, 03:22 PM) Factory calls it a "transformer". Instead of being fed about 9 VDC (conventional coil with resistor), the CDI shoots about 3 - 400 Volts at it. problem solved yet???? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| jfort |
May 13 2008, 01:38 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,135 Joined: 5-May 03 From: Findlay, OH Member No.: 652 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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can't work on it 'till tomorrow - Wed. My friend/mechanic is bringing CDI box, the coil/transformer and some plug wires. Hopefully we'll isolate issue. I'll let you know what happens. I sure appreciate your thoughts and input. I NEED TO GET THE CAR RUNNING.
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| jfort |
May 20 2008, 08:49 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,135 Joined: 5-May 03 From: Findlay, OH Member No.: 652 Region Association: Upper MidWest
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update - My mechanic brought a new Bosch transformer/coil and installed it. Still no spark. Then he noticed that the CDI box was loose. He tightened it. Car runs fine now. Must have been bad ground due to loose bolt. However, now my tach doesn't work. The arching and sparking I noticed earlier was right where the take-off is to the tach. I checked the connections at both ends. OK. The tach is grounded and getting 12v. I think it must have been damaged by the coil/CDI box issue.
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| 6freak |
May 20 2008, 09:45 AM
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MR.C Group: Members Posts: 4,740 Joined: 19-March 08 From: Tacoma WA Member No.: 8,829 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(jfort @ May 20 2008, 07:49 AM) update - My mechanic brought a new Bosch transformer/coil and installed it. Still no spark. Then he noticed that the CDI box was loose. He tightened it. Car runs fine now. Must have been bad ground due to loose bolt. However, now my tach doesn't work. The arching and sparking I noticed earlier was right where the take-off is to the tach. I checked the connections at both ends. OK. The tach is grounded and getting 12v. I think it must have been damaged by the coil/CDI box issue. If its not one thing its two .bummer ...i dont have any extra tach`s sorry..good luck |
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| Rusty |
May 20 2008, 09:52 AM
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if the car is a factory six, there is a ballast on the relay board that you can check. It's a small silver cylinder. About 1" in diameter, 2.5" high.
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