CHP gives cliff a smog ticket for his teener Options

[Ferg]

I took the Dijon Bomb to smog here in Colorado here a few years back... You only have to do it once.

It had the dual progressives and the little KN breathers to the atmosphere... Guys points to those and asked what they are for. I told him that they were crankcase breather vents. He just shrugged and said OK. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I complain about my one smog, man you guys have it tough.

Ferg

[Wanna9146]

I thank the Good Lord every day I don't live in California...(and I'm an atheist!)

[ConeDodger]

I thank the Good Lord every day I don't live in California...(and I'm an atheist!)

I've lived here for almost 15 years and it isn't as bad as it has been portrayed. I have been pulled over less in California than I ever was in Minnesota. I suspect that is at least in part to the division of law enforcement in California. Generally, traffic issues are handled by CHP and crime by local law enforcement. So, if I had a taillight out or a expired registration sticker I would be less likely to be pulled over by local law enforcement, and there are far more of them than CHP.

The most annoying thing to me is that my experiences with DMV have been far too frequent. In Minnesota I went to DMV once every 10 years or so. In California, I go once every 6 months. Mostly due to DMV screw-ups. I send the money and they don't send the license tabs... The Bumblebee Racer was a nightmare. It took me 2 years and I had to get a lawyer to prove to those idiots that they could issue me a title without my jumping through a bunch of hoops. I didn't want to drive it on the streets so why should I need all of those registration inspections? Finally when confronted with their own laws they got a supervisor to tell them "Oh yes. How do you think race cars get titled?"

California is not nearly as bad as the atheists from Georgia would portray it... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[markb]

That's why I have AAA, I don't have to go to DMV much. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Wanna9146]

California is not nearly as bad as the atheists from Georgia would portray it... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm in Florida.

Annual Vehicle Registration = $ 35.
Annual Smog = $ 0.
Annual Personal/State Income Tax = $ 0.

With my Concealed Weapons Permit, I can carry this under my jacket:

(IMG:http://www.scaar.at/airsoft/mac10-2.jpg)

Or, I can carry this, if I get bored:

(IMG:http://www.serbu.com/top/super_shorty_870.jpg)

I can go to a strip club and see fully nekkid women WHILE drinking liquor (not that I do, but I can).

And, I can put this motor in my 914, without fear of law-enforcement repercussion:

(IMG:http://www.classiccarrent.de/porsche_911_carrera_996_motor_250.jpg)

My point is, I have something that Californian's don't...freedom to do as I please. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

[ConeDodger]

California is not nearly as bad as the atheists from Georgia would portray it... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm in Florida.

Annual Vehicle Registration = $ 35.
Annual Smog = $ 0.
Annual Personal/State Income Tax = $ 0.

With my Concealed Weapons Permit, I can carry this under my jacket:

(IMG:http://www.scaar.at/airsoft/mac10-2.jpg)

Or, I can carry this, if I get bored:

(IMG:http://www.serbu.com/top/super_shorty_870.jpg)

I can go to a strip club and see fully nekkid women WHILE drinking liquor (not that I do, but I can).

And, I can put this motor in my 914, without fear of law-enforcement repercussion:

(IMG:http://www.classiccarrent.de/porsche_911_carrera_996_motor_250.jpg)

My point is, I have something that Californian's don't...freedom to do as I please. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

Apparently, you haven't seen SirAndy's car... He can legally put it in without fear of repurcussion as long as it meets smog requirement for the year of engine. Strictly speaking, you cannot do that in Florida as there is no Federal statute concerning updateing to a later engine.

My point is, you don't have any more freedom than people in California. The law concerning smog devices is Federal. And so by the way is the law on assault type weapons and silencers... Or are you calling that a spark arrestor? Nice guns by the way...
And just so you think we are totally regulated here, we too can go to the strip club and see totally naked woman WHILE drinking liquor. Not that I would, I mean, look what I have at home... Although she did ask me the other night if we could go together some time...

[Joe Bob]

Federal is for NEW cars....once it's been sold by the manufacturuer, then it's STATE that regulates it.

IF you believe that the ticket is valid.....which I don't......Andy's car is no more legal than the kid that got the ticket. To BE legal, he needs a BAR sticker, the SAME exhaust system...not just intake....I don't see him running a cat, he also needs the gauges with OBDI/II, sensors for the belt yada yada yada....

How do "I" know? I did a 3.6 conversion on my 83......

Still think the guy needs to talk to the CHiPs Stupidvisor....

[So.Cal.914]

With my Concealed Weapons Permit, I can carry this under my jacket:

Don't you have problems with chaffing? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

[Wanna9146]

Apparently, you haven't seen SirAndy's car... He can legally put it in without fear of repurcussion as long as it meets smog requirement for the year of engine. Strictly speaking, you cannot do that in Florida as there is no Federal statute concerning updateing to a later engine.

My point is, you don't have any more freedom than people in California. The law concerning smog devices is Federal. And so by the way is the law on assault type weapons and silencers... Or are you calling that a spark arrestor? Nice guns by the way...
And just so you think we are totally regulated here, we too can go to the strip club and see totally naked woman WHILE drinking liquor. Not that I would, I mean, look what I have at home... Although she did ask me the other night if we could go together some time...

Yes, we are subject to Federal law, as with all 50 states, but I challenge you to find one case filed in FLA against a "gross polluter" or someone who swapped engines. I see guys driving full track cars on the street, complete with DOT slicks and (sorta) open headers. The cops don't even raise an eyebrow, unless you are street-racing.

MAC-10's, 11's & 12's are all legal to own/carry in FLA (as well as the Serbu Super Shorty), as long as they are semi-auto. We have no "assault weapon" restrictions here. That is not a silencer. It is a barrel extension. I do have to remove the shoulder stock, though, or pin it in the open position. That is Federal law.

San Diego (where I lived for 20 yrs.) does not allow the consumption of liquor at full-nude clubs. If you want to serve alcohol at a strip club, the women can only be topless. They must also wear stockings/nylons. I'm pretty sure Los Angeles County is the same.

So...enjoy the rule of the Iron Fist in The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia. I'll stick with freedom.

[Wanna9146]

Don't you have problems with chaffing? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Chaffing? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/icon14.gif)

(IMG:http://www.navy.mil.nz/nr/rdonlyres/2d62b541-e1a7-4044-ad12-5333b886e8ff/0/chafffiringseasprite.jpg)

[Wanna9146]

Notice the license plate...registered, street legal and driven regularly to shows:

(IMG:http://www.cruisinsouthflorida.com/2008/2008.01.05.SheehanPontiac/images/DSC_1543.jpg)

A more modern example, registered & street legal:

(IMG:http://www.cruisinsouthflorida.com/2008/2008.01.05.SheehanPontiac/images/DSC_1550.jpg)

[Chris Hamilton]

I could take those in my teener.












(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) In a clearcoat peeling contest.

[CliffBraun]

F$&@! I just got the ticket in the mail and California wants just about $500 for the ticket if I don't correct the violation (which, of course, means I can't operate the car). OR I can pay $400 after correcting the problem....

Admittedly, this makes sense if you look to the spirit of the law, most of the time you're not gonna get caught with a modified engine and you've already caused some damage to the environment by the time they do.

In my situation I kinda feel paying a couple grand to fix the problem is punishment enough considering I had no clue the modification was illegal when the vehicle was purchase (yeah I know ignorance of the law is no excuse, but here it seems like a decent one) and that the modification is a trivial change in emissions compared to most, I would bet.

[0396]

F$&@! I just got the ticket in the mail and California wants just about $500 for the ticket if I don't correct the violation (which, of course, means I can't operate the car). OR I can pay $400 after correcting the problem....

Admittedly, this makes sense if you look to the spirit of the law, most of the time you're not gonna get caught with a modified engine and you've already caused some damage to the environment by the time they do.

In my situation I kinda feel paying a couple grand to fix the problem is punishment enough considering I had no clue the modification was illegal when the vehicle was purchase (yeah I know ignorance of the law is no excuse, but here it seems like a decent one) and that the modification is a trivial change in emissions compared to most, I would bet.

Pay it and move on... Now we all know. I would love to drive my car (street set up for track) more often- but the CHP loves to hang out down the street from me:(

After getting tag for a cross walk ticket ( set up sting operation) I limit my drives so I don't get upset for getting another 'fix it' ticket.

[GringoLoco]

My point is, you don't have any more freedom than people in California. The law concerning smog devices is Federal. And so by the way is the law on assault type weapons and silencers... Or are you calling that a spark arrestor? Nice guns by the way..

There are restrictions on firearms, sure, but suppressors are NOT banned at the federal level. I don't remember what states allow them (I know PA is one), but you just have to pay for a tax stamp (I know full auto weapons work that way, I could be mistaken about suppressors). Nevada I'm positive is a Class III state, so you can own full auto AND suppressors (and use them). I can own one legally in my state, but it's illegal to actually mount it on the firearm. Stupid law, I think I should be allowed to mount a suppressor on my H&K USP .45 for home defense, no point in going deaf while defending myself. And you can't POSSIBLY say with a straight face that you are as free in CA as in WA. For instance (and we're not the most free, by far). Can you carry a concealed pistol to protect yourself in public? I can and do (rarely, gets to be in the way sometimes). I can also drive around town with the windshield folded down on my Jeep (yes, legally), drop an LS1 Corvette engine or whatever I want in my 2000 Jeep, so long as the engine is the same year or newer than my Jeep (and I can keep the engine from throwing a fault code). My AK-47 clone, complete with collapsible stock, 30 round magazines, tactical rail, forward grip, and red dot sight would probably get me sent to prison in CA, here, I take it camping (yes, legally). I can also go across town to Federal Way Discount Guns, where they have a shiny new Barrett M82 .50cal on sale for $7999, and walk out with it today after a quick 5 minute NICS phone call. CA politicians (actors) would have you convinced that we'd all kill each other if we were allowed to have much more than a pellet gun, but I'd be willing to compare violent crime stats with CA any day of the week. I've also noticed lately that PB Blaster, WD40, certain materials in my shoes, cereal, and whatever else contain chemicals known ONLY to the state of CA to cause cancer, so I'm much safer up here too. If only it would stop raining now.....

Wow, I just went back and read that.... reeeallly makes me look like a redneck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)

[ericread]

My point is, you don't have any more freedom than people in California. The law concerning smog devices is Federal. And so by the way is the law on assault type weapons and silencers... Or are you calling that a spark arrestor? Nice guns by the way..

There are restrictions on firearms, sure, but suppressors are NOT banned at the federal level. I don't remember what states allow them (I know PA is one), but you just have to pay for a tax stamp (I know full auto weapons work that way, I could be mistaken about suppressors). Nevada I'm positive is a Class III state, so you can own full auto AND suppressors (and use them). I can own one legally in my state, but it's illegal to actually mount it on the firearm. Stupid law, I think I should be allowed to mount a suppressor on my H&K USP .45 for home defense, no point in going deaf while defending myself. And you can't POSSIBLY say with a straight face that you are as free in CA as in WA. For instance (and we're not the most free, by far). Can you carry a concealed pistol to protect yourself in public? I can and do (rarely, gets to be in the way sometimes). I can also drive around town with the windshield folded down on my Jeep (yes, legally), drop an LS1 Corvette engine or whatever I want in my 2000 Jeep, so long as the engine is the same year or newer than my Jeep (and I can keep the engine from throwing a fault code). My AK-47 clone, complete with collapsible stock, 30 round magazines, tactical rail, forward grip, and red dot sight would probably get me sent to prison in CA, here, I take it camping (yes, legally). I can also go across town to Federal Way Discount Guns, where they have a shiny new Barrett M82 .50cal on sale for $7999, and walk out with it today after a quick 5 minute NICS phone call. CA politicians (actors) would have you convinced that we'd all kill each other if we were allowed to have much more than a pellet gun, but I'd be willing to compare violent crime stats with CA any day of the week. I've also noticed lately that PB Blaster, WD40, certain materials in my shoes, cereal, and whatever else contain chemicals known ONLY to the state of CA to cause cancer, so I'm much safer up here too. If only it would stop raining now.....

Wow, I just went back and read that.... reeeallly makes me look like a redneck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)

Yeah, you really do have a lot more freedoms up there in Washington. Just a quick question: If you divorce your wife in Washington, is she still your sister?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

[GringoLoco]

Just to stay somewhat on topic... what would happen if I bought a car that originally sold in a state other than CA, and didn't have their special emissions gear on it, and moved to CA? Even though the vehicle was bone stock, and in perfect condition, would I be required to modify it to meet CA new vehicle standards for that year? Or is that only for brand new vehicles?

[GringoLoco]

My point is, you don't have any more freedom than people in California. The law concerning smog devices is Federal. And so by the way is the law on assault type weapons and silencers... Or are you calling that a spark arrestor? Nice guns by the way..

There are restrictions on firearms, sure, but suppressors are NOT banned at the federal level. I don't remember what states allow them (I know PA is one), but you just have to pay for a tax stamp (I know full auto weapons work that way, I could be mistaken about suppressors). Nevada I'm positive is a Class III state, so you can own full auto AND suppressors (and use them). I can own one legally in my state, but it's illegal to actually mount it on the firearm. Stupid law, I think I should be allowed to mount a suppressor on my H&K USP .45 for home defense, no point in going deaf while defending myself. And you can't POSSIBLY say with a straight face that you are as free in CA as in WA. For instance (and we're not the most free, by far). Can you carry a concealed pistol to protect yourself in public? I can and do (rarely, gets to be in the way sometimes). I can also drive around town with the windshield folded down on my Jeep (yes, legally), drop an LS1 Corvette engine or whatever I want in my 2000 Jeep, so long as the engine is the same year or newer than my Jeep (and I can keep the engine from throwing a fault code). My AK-47 clone, complete with collapsible stock, 30 round magazines, tactical rail, forward grip, and red dot sight would probably get me sent to prison in CA, here, I take it camping (yes, legally). I can also go across town to Federal Way Discount Guns, where they have a shiny new Barrett M82 .50cal on sale for $7999, and walk out with it today after a quick 5 minute NICS phone call. CA politicians (actors) would have you convinced that we'd all kill each other if we were allowed to have much more than a pellet gun, but I'd be willing to compare violent crime stats with CA any day of the week. I've also noticed lately that PB Blaster, WD40, certain materials in my shoes, cereal, and whatever else contain chemicals known ONLY to the state of CA to cause cancer, so I'm much safer up here too. If only it would stop raining now.....

Wow, I just went back and read that.... reeeallly makes me look like a redneck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)

Yeah, you really do have a lot more freedoms up there in Washington. Just a quick question: If you divorce your wife in Washington, is she still your sister?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

I think so. I don't know of any statutes that allow you to make a sibling not a sibling anymore. She'd probably just go back to being your sister. Why?

[rick 918-S]

There is a lot of weight placed on the special knowledge of the officer writting that ticket. The citation assumes the officer is an expert. It assumes you didn't just have some kind of mechanical failure on your way home and passed the officer with this condition. There are many things that should allow a defense for this. But the fine is low enough that hiring an attorney to defend it would be the expensive option. I see the point of the smog laws, but the fine will do nothing to correct the issue or even be used to improve the environment. Well, It may have just help pay Mike Z wages so that's cool too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) 914 circle of life.

[ericread]

My point is, you don't have any more freedom than people in California. The law concerning smog devices is Federal. And so by the way is the law on assault type weapons and silencers... Or are you calling that a spark arrestor? Nice guns by the way..

There are restrictions on firearms, sure, but suppressors are NOT banned at the federal level. I don't remember what states allow them (I know PA is one), but you just have to pay for a tax stamp (I know full auto weapons work that way, I could be mistaken about suppressors). Nevada I'm positive is a Class III state, so you can own full auto AND suppressors (and use them). I can own one legally in my state, but it's illegal to actually mount it on the firearm. Stupid law, I think I should be allowed to mount a suppressor on my H&K USP .45 for home defense, no point in going deaf while defending myself. And you can't POSSIBLY say with a straight face that you are as free in CA as in WA. For instance (and we're not the most free, by far). Can you carry a concealed pistol to protect yourself in public? I can and do (rarely, gets to be in the way sometimes). I can also drive around town with the windshield folded down on my Jeep (yes, legally), drop an LS1 Corvette engine or whatever I want in my 2000 Jeep, so long as the engine is the same year or newer than my Jeep (and I can keep the engine from throwing a fault code). My AK-47 clone, complete with collapsible stock, 30 round magazines, tactical rail, forward grip, and red dot sight would probably get me sent to prison in CA, here, I take it camping (yes, legally). I can also go across town to Federal Way Discount Guns, where they have a shiny new Barrett M82 .50cal on sale for $7999, and walk out with it today after a quick 5 minute NICS phone call. CA politicians (actors) would have you convinced that we'd all kill each other if we were allowed to have much more than a pellet gun, but I'd be willing to compare violent crime stats with CA any day of the week. I've also noticed lately that PB Blaster, WD40, certain materials in my shoes, cereal, and whatever else contain chemicals known ONLY to the state of CA to cause cancer, so I'm much safer up here too. If only it would stop raining now.....

Wow, I just went back and read that.... reeeallly makes me look like a redneck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sheeplove.gif)

Yeah, you really do have a lot more freedoms up there in Washington. Just a quick question: If you divorce your wife in Washington, is she still your sister?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif)

I think so. I don't know of any statutes that allow you to make a sibling not a sibling anymore. She'd probably just go back to being your sister. Why?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)