 3.6 liter budget?, break it down. |
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| r_towle |
 Jun 2 2008, 06:18 PM
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Custom Member  Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States 
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Andy nd others that have done it.
what is a budget to set aside for a 3.6 liter conversion? Robust, built up tranny, axles that last etc etc. I would prefer to go with the EFI, but if I can make it work with carbs it would look cool... Rich |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 2 2008, 07:04 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,648 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
here's a more or less complete list of my stuff, i only list stuff that was somewhat related to the engine conversion itself and i'm *not* counting hours.
also, i'm still running the stock 901, i just don't use 1st gear anymore .... ============================================== 7,500.00 - 3.6L Motor from a '95 993, stock injection 750.00 - 944 Axle Conversion, using a 911 5-lug hub 350.00 - Fluidyne Front Oil Cooler DB-30618 170.00 - Oil Line (35 ft) 55.00 - SS Fuel Lines 10.00 - Rubber Fuel Line 100.00 - Mocal Oil Thermostat 30.00 - 1/2 BSP to AN-12 Fittings 700.00 - Aftermarket Oil Tank 150.00 - Oil Tank filler neck 140.00 - 914/993 Conversion Throttle Cable 380.00 - 993 to 914 engine conversion harness 250.00 - 993 single belt crank pulley 1000.00 - 1 3/4 headers, ceramic coated 432.00 - KEP Stage II 225mm Clutch Package 115.00 - Oil Hardline, adapts 30 mm to an-12 20.00 - Mahle Tank Oil Filter 45.00 - Mocal Oil Filter Head 10.00 - Oil Filter 3.00 - Oil Inlet O-Ring 192.00 - Mobil 1 Synthetic 0W40 Motor Oil 125.00 - 993 Fuel Pump 20.00 - 993 Fuel Filter 375.00 - 944 CV Joint Kit (4) 80.00 - AN-16 120 Bend Hose End 35.00 - Steel Braided AN-16 Line 45.00 - AN-16 Pro-Lite Hose 55.00 - Oil Inlet Union 200.00 - Cam Block Off Plates 100.00 - Modified Coil Mount 400.00 - Reproduction 914-6 Sheet Metal 10.00 - Air Injection Port Block Off Kit 60.00 - 3.2L Intake Boot 40.00 - Oil Cooler support bracket welding 12.00 - Additional 993 Distributor Vent 25.00 - 993 Distributor Drive Belt 140.00 - 993 O2 Sensor 25.00 - 10W30 NAPA Oil (for flushing the oil system) 11.00 - Engine Oil Filter (for flushing the oil system) 12.00 - Tank Oil Filter (for flushing the oil system) 45.00 - Various Hoses 12.00 - Idle Air Hose 3.00 - Fuse Pack for FI brain 3.00 - 30 Amp Fuse Holder for FI brain 12.00 - New Positive Battery Cable 65.00 - Fuel Injection Hose 15.00 - K&N Recharge Kit 35.00 - Oil Temp Sender 30.00 - 901 Tranny Gasket Set 50.00 - Gallon Swepco Transmission Oil 35.00 - ECU Mount Kit 10.00 - Heat Shrink Tubing 8.00 - CV Joint Gaskets 7.00 - Spade Connectors 5.00 - Primer/Sealer 30.00 - Brake Cleaner 480.00 - Miscellaneous bits and pices ============================================== Total in parts: $15,017.00 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/santa_smiley.gif) Andy |
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| Joe Bob |
Jun 2 2008, 07:20 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
A 915 trans will do a better job than a 901....but it's STILL a weak link. I tanked mine after about 20K miles. Also a WEVO cable shift is best.....
Keep the FI.... |
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| JRust |
Jun 2 2008, 09:20 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 6,307 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Corvallis Oregon Member No.: 129 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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$1000 just to think about it
Another $1000 to reconsider Another $1000 to decide it's a go Then you get into the real money. All the rest run at $3-5000 intervals (IMG:style_emoticons/default/av-943.gif) I have no idea! Just haven't had much time to be a smart ass today (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif) It will definately be spendy & depending on your level of expertise? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) The more you have to pay to have work done the price gets astronomical (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smoke.gif) |
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| Justinp71 |
Jun 2 2008, 11:28 PM
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Holy Cow Andy!!!
I think I'll definitely stick with my 3.0 conversion now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Did you convert your car from a 4-cylinder? Do you need the single belt pulley? Can you run a 3.6 with 1 5/8" headers? |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 2 2008, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE(Justinp71 @ Jun 2 2008, 09:28 PM)  Holy Cow Andy!!! > Did you convert your car from a 4-cylinder? - YES > Do you need the single belt pulley? - NO, but the stock pulley would just be dead weight as i don't run anything off it besides the alternator > Can you run a 3.6 with 1 5/8" headers? - YES, but you might lose some higher rpm power i never said my list is a MUST for a 3.6L engine. you sure can use different parts, less quality parts, smaller parts, cheaper parts, used parts or anything else you can come up with. i simply listed what *i* used for my conversion. the price was actually closer to $20k as i did some additional work "while i was in there" that was not directly related to the bigger motor. but if you're converting from a /4 car, you may also want to consider bigger/better brakes and updated suspension, which will set you back another few grand ... and then you might be inclined to make it look nice too. and stiffen the chassis a bit. maybe a long kit or even a rollcage. and then ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/stirthepot.gif) Andy |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 2 2008, 11:57 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,648 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 2 2008, 09:35 PM) ... the price was actually closer to $20k ... damn you, now you made me add it all up ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) $ 21805.11 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) Andy |
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| PeeGreen 914 |
Jun 3 2008, 12:31 AM
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Just when you think you're done...wait, there is more..lol Group: Members Posts: 10,219 Joined: 21-September 06 From: Seattle, WA... actually Everett Member No.: 6,884 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 2 2008, 10:57 PM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 2 2008, 09:35 PM) ... the price was actually closer to $20k ... damn you, now you made me add it all up ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif) $ 21805.11 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/screwy.gif) Andy See.... this is why I have a big stack of receipts I never will look at and will just be passed on if I ever sell the car. |
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| stateofidleness |
Jun 3 2008, 02:32 AM
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i want to ride in that car (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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| flat4 |
Jun 3 2008, 07:19 AM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jun 2 2008, 05:04 PM) That is less than I expected. You can do a decent Raby four for less than this, but if you want a lot of power I suspect you will be looking at a similar bill - especially when you factor in the SDS, tangerine system, etc. Cheers, Steve |
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| Grngoat |
Jun 4 2008, 12:47 AM
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Andy's bill of materials looks pretty good. I added up everything that I could think of in about 5 minutes one time and it was somewhere around $20k. Once I got to that point, I put the pencil down and decided I didn't really want to know anymore.
I also have a 901, so that's a little cheaper at this point. As long as it holds together. Keep the stock fuel injection unless you are going to bigger cams, etc. I get about 26 mpg on average. Try that with carbs. |
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| Justinp71 |
Jun 4 2008, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(Grngoat @ Jun 3 2008, 11:47 PM) ...Keep the stock fuel injection unless you are going to bigger cams, etc. I get about 26 mpg on average. Try that with carbs. Is that with some "spirited" driving? Mixed highway/street? Did you also use the 944 axles? Is that the best 'bang' for the buck? |
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| SirAndy |
Jun 4 2008, 11:58 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,648 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Justinp71 @ Jun 4 2008, 08:49 AM) QUOTE(Grngoat @ Jun 3 2008, 11:47 PM) ...Keep the stock fuel injection unless you are going to bigger cams, etc. I get about 26 mpg on average. Try that with carbs. Is that with some "spirited" driving? Mixed highway/street? yes. i get about 24 mpg with a lot of "spirited driving" ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) i get close to 30 mpg on long trips like the 2000 mile run to moab last year ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| East coaster |
Jun 4 2008, 06:30 PM
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That's looks pretty accurate according to my list. I did a 915 Wevo conversion that approached 10K with cost of tranny/conversion/gate shift/limited slip/bearing retainer/etc...
So I guess that brings me up to about $30K........ouch!! |
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| Grngoat |
Jun 4 2008, 11:53 PM
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That includes very spirited driving. I think the worst I've seen is 18 mpg, but that included an autocross school where all I did was beat on it all day. I do check it every time I fill up, just for curiosity.
I do have an H for fifth, so that should help on the highway. That's why I decided to stick with the 901. At least for now. Clay is talking about using a G-50 for his mythical 4-liter. I would like to do that if it works out. |
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| Grngoat |
Jun 4 2008, 11:58 PM
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Lurker Member Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 17-October 04 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 2,967 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Almost forgot your other question. I'm using the stock 4-cyl CVs and axles at this point. I'd prefer they break before the tranny. I may upgrade later, dunno.
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