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| r_towle |
 Jun 11 2008, 09:26 AM
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Custom Member  Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States 
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I have always thought that the 914world and 914club communities were trusted.
By that I mean when you sell an item, or give someone something...its a family of 914 addicts that we are supporting. I am getting sad about the way the membership has turned. I will insert a quote here to allow you to see what is going on... I dont like to "out" people, but when the lack of common good grace is removed from our community, I think I will only sell to those I know, or use Ebay so I have at least the recourse of feedback that gets noted on a buyers profile for the long term. QUOTE(r_towle @ Jun 11 2008, 11:21 AM)  MikeZ wanted it, but quickly told me he did not...that is cool Elcid claimed he wanted it, claimed he sent a check (for 15 days) then refused to answer emails...odd behaviour, not cool Jesiv did the same thing...claimed to be sending payment...never did. It urks me that I have to wait and not sell something to find out that in fact the people did not send payment... Not only that..I no longer get any reply from the email. How hard is it to say..."hey, I changed my mind" I am fine with that, things happen. No communication is rude and makes selling things on the 914world classifieds less appealing. If it happened once, I get it. But twice on the same item. And the behaviour was exactly the same..."I sent the check" then 10-15 days later, no email, no response to PM, no response to anything... Its just rude behaviour and its why Ebay has a rating system...to out people that behave like this. Rich Rich |
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| SGB |
Jun 11 2008, 09:42 AM
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just visiting Group: Members Posts: 4,086 Joined: 8-March 03 From: Huntsville, AL Member No.: 404 Region Association: South East States |
One (OK, two) bad apple(s)....
Don't lose hope. |
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| GringoLoco |
Jun 11 2008, 09:58 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 87 Joined: 24-May 08 From: Tacoma, WA Member No.: 9,100 Region Association: None |
Where I work we essentially have to meet similar minimum requirements as the law enforcement community, and the very nature of our work absolutely demands an unusually high level of ethics, honesty, and integrity. Unfortunately, I work with a couple asshats. No matter where you go, you'll have to deal with asshats. I don't think it means 914club/world is going down the tubes, I think it just reflects on society in general. If anything, I'd say my experience here so far, while short, has been far more encouraging than what I see at work.
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| biosurfer1 |
Jun 11 2008, 10:16 AM
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Teener fo Life! Group: Members Posts: 3,020 Joined: 3-August 03 From: Roseville, CA Member No.: 977 Region Association: Northern California |
ebay doesnt allow sellers to post feedback about buyers anymore:/
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| PRS914-6 |
Jun 11 2008, 10:27 AM
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Excellence Magazine Project 914 3.6 Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,278 Joined: 20-May 06 From: Central California Member No.: 6,031 Region Association: None  |
It's really just the nature of the society we have brewed. It is a simple solution though. You first have to take a stance as a seller and be firm. Take Paypal. When someone is interested get a non refundable deposit at the MINIMUM to hold the part for X number of days. Refundable only if it's not what you advertised. If it's a shipping transaction, make sure you take lots of pictures and give a very accurate description. If you describe it LESS than what it is you will always have happy buyers.
If they give lame excuses just tell them you are taking the first person who pays and the part will continue to be for sale but you would love to sell it him and help him out but you need to sell it. I rarely have problems selling stuff anywhere using the above. |
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| dbgriffith75 |
Jun 11 2008, 10:34 AM
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TheGrif Group: Members Posts: 509 Joined: 25-July 07 From: Iowa, USA Member No.: 7,945 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I wouldn't take it as a sign that 914world.com is going downhill... just take it as a sign that some members are just not very "net ethical."
I can understand your frustration; but there's A LOT of members here (825 pages worth if you click "Members" in the top right corner) and I think running into the "bad apples," as SGB put it, one after another is just your bad luck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) Seriously though, don't let one or two members throw you off. You're not the first, and I doubt you'll be the last. Some people are just like that. Besides which, these types of incidents sound like a typical email type scam to me, except on a message board. They ask you for something, then you never hear from them again; and if you're unfortunate enough to actually send it to them, you're really SOL. If you haven't actually sent the part(s) to anyone, then all in all no harm is really done if you haven't been paid. Consider yourself lucky that you haven't been burned. |
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| ericread |
Jun 11 2008, 10:42 AM
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The Viper Blue 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(PRS914-6 @ Jun 11 2008, 09:27 AM) It's really just the nature of the society we have brewed. It is a simple solution though. You first have to take a stance as a seller and be firm. Take Paypal. When someone is interested get a non refundable deposit at the MINIMUM to hold the part for X number of days. Refundable only if it's not what you advertised. If it's a shipping transaction, make sure you take lots of pictures and give a very accurate description. If you describe it LESS than what it is you will always have happy buyers. If they give lame excuses just tell them you are taking the first person who pays and the part will continue to be for sale but you would love to sell it him and help him out but you need to sell it. I rarely have problems selling stuff anywhere using the above. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) We have developed a society where it is permissable to lie. So I shaded the truth to get the public to support the war... So I cheated in a mid-term exam. So I lied on my job application... etc. There are no consequences to getting caught in a lie anymore. So more of our sociuety "shades" the truth. Combine that with the larger number of persons that come to this site, and you have a situation where more dishonesty and fraud is bound to occur. No different than in a retail store that suddenly gets popular. Shoplifting goes up. Hold parts for sales to persons you know and trust - that's the right thing to do. But if you don't know them, tell them in advance it's going to the first person that provides full payment. Or, as mentioned above, demand a non-refundable PayPal deposit. If they can't make an immediate PayPal payment, then admit the fact, they don't have then money - and move on. Eric |
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| brer |
Jun 11 2008, 10:42 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,555 Joined: 10-March 05 From: san diego Member No.: 3,736 Region Association: None |
I think it started when that 914 got published in that ImportTuner mag.
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| Joe Ricard |
Jun 11 2008, 10:45 AM
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CUMONIWANNARACEU Group: Members Posts: 6,811 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Gautier, MS Member No.: 92 |
Well if I buy something or sell something I try to use Pay pal just to avoid these situations.
My transaction should take seconds to finish and I get or ship parts right away. I do think there are some knuckle heads here and there. but the 1st one who sends me money gets the part. sorry I just don't play wait around for numb nuts to get around to it. |
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| porschecb |
Jun 11 2008, 10:54 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,092 Joined: 13-August 04 From: Las Vegas NV Member No.: 2,529 Region Association: None |
The other thing is that you do not have to own a 914 or any car to become a member here. Sooo... You my never know who you are dealing with or who is just trying to mess with you or whatever. Still better than craigslist i think.
Michael |
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| rhodyguy |
Jun 11 2008, 11:08 AM
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Chimp Sanctuary NW. Check it out. Group: Members Posts: 22,079 Joined: 2-March 03 From: Orion's Bell. The BELL! Member No.: 378 Region Association: Galt's Gulch |
obviously, how a person deals with a new member/first time buyer is dif than someone you've dealt with in the past. i don't believe it's a deterioration of the site(s) in large.
k |
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| carr914 |
Jun 11 2008, 11:08 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,603 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
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| Root_Werks |
Jun 11 2008, 11:13 AM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,319 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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Don't buy-sell on the clubs anymore. Problem solved. Use other resources like evilBay or craigslist etc.
Thus far, that rule has done me nothing but good. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| ConeDodger |
Jun 11 2008, 11:24 AM
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Apex killer! Group: Members Posts: 23,584 Joined: 31-December 04 From: Tahoe Area Member No.: 3,380 Region Association: Northern California
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It would have been nice if they had contacted you about backing out. I think a contributing factor if not a mitigating factor is the cost of shipping. I recently offered to buy a set of wheels from a guy on the East Coast and got a quote of $400 to ship them. I declined... When shipping reaches 2/3 of the sale price you are going to see a lot of people back out.
On a separate note, Leamon was clearly not hijacking your thread. He was looking for someone who knows electronic test equipment to fix his. I suspect you were "in a mood" after having two people jump in and then out... |
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| SLITS |
Jun 11 2008, 11:59 AM
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"This Utah shit is HARSH!" Group: Benefactors Posts: 13,602 Joined: 22-February 04 From: SoCal Mountains ... Member No.: 1,696 Region Association: None  |
QUOTE(Root_Werks @ Jun 11 2008, 10:13 AM) Don't buy-sell on the clubs anymore. Problem solved. Use other resources like evilBay or craigslist etc. Thus far, that rule has done me nothing but good. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Amen, Dan .................... |
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| AvalonFal |
Jun 11 2008, 12:11 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 483 Joined: 3-July 05 From: Southern New Jersey Coast Member No.: 4,367 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(biosurfer1 @ Jun 11 2008, 12:16 PM) ebay doesnt allow sellers to post feedback about buyers anymore:/ e-bay doesn't allow sellers to post NEGATIVE or NEUTRAL feedback for buyers. You can only post POSITIVE feedback. To avoid payment problems, set up a Pay Pal account and only accept payment through it. Reduces the number of potential buyers, but also reduces the number of pretenders. Paul |
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| ChrisFoley |
Jun 11 2008, 12:12 PM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,925 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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What really fries my ass is when people (forum members) bring you something to be repaired and don't have the common decency to pick it up and pay for it for more than a year! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif)
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| Ferg |
Jun 11 2008, 12:22 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,948 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 116 Region Association: None
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| stateofidleness |
Jun 11 2008, 12:23 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 810 Joined: 1-September 07 From: Canyon Lake, Texas! Member No.: 8,065 Region Association: None |
i'd like to say that I have had nothing but positive experiences from people on both forums!
Joe was even kind enough to send me an alternator at his expense! I've also had an entire interior shipped. I do think that Paypal is the easiest form of payment and when selling, its the quickest way to know who paid. There's gonna be people like that no matter where you go, but I think there are a ton of amazing, very dedicated members here and I appreciate the people that go the extra mile (more-so than ebay or CL) to ensure the community and it's members stay satisfied and able to drive their cars |
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| Ferg |
Jun 11 2008, 12:26 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 5,948 Joined: 8-January 03 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 116 Region Association: None
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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I don't do much buying and selling at all, but as for the people on this board, I have nothing but good things to say, I'm proud to be part of this group.
Ferg (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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