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post Oct 8 2013, 07:50 PM
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I had a '96 2.5L Legacy and it blew the head gasket and warped the head. Put in a used engine and it too had a blown head gasket. A third engine was fine. I sold the car immediately afterwards.

Apparently the head gasket issue was fixed in the '98 or '99 model year.
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post Oct 9 2013, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE(Spoke @ Oct 8 2013, 05:50 PM) *

I had a '96 2.5L Legacy and it blew the head gasket and warped the head. Put in a used engine and it too had a blown head gasket. A third engine was fine. I sold the car immediately afterwards.

Apparently the head gasket issue was fixed in the '98 or '99 model year.

I found a good article about the problem and the solution which was a new modified head gasket that eliminated this issue. Question remains though, pull with or without Subi gearbox? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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post Oct 9 2013, 09:51 AM
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OK, so a guy I teach with is a fellow gearhead however, he is into Buicks. He gave me a site to do searches for parts on and I found a complete running 1.8 with FI motor for 300. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) I also found a side shift tranny however, it is just the trans and none of the other components. SOOOOO, how easy is it to get the rest of the components to convert my tailshifter to the side shift setup and is $500 a reasonable price for the tranny? I was thinking of $300 because he doesn't have any of the other components. Thoughts?
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post Oct 9 2013, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE(914forme @ Oct 8 2013, 05:37 PM) *
Dave, you remember when your type-4 dropped a valve seat. That was also a PITA was it not.


Which time? There've been three of them so far.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) At least I got a lot faster at dropping the engine and tearing the heads off...

(BTW, I haven't owned a Scooby. But I know at least two people personally who have had the 2.5 engines with head gasket problems, and have read about many more.)

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post Oct 10 2013, 02:51 PM
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Oct 9 2013, 09:30 PM) *

QUOTE(914forme @ Oct 8 2013, 05:37 PM) *
Dave, you remember when your type-4 dropped a valve seat. That was also a PITA was it not.


Which time? There've been three of them so far.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) At least I got a lot faster at dropping the engine and tearing the heads off...

(BTW, I haven't owned a Scooby. But I know at least two people personally who have had the 2.5 engines with head gasket problems, and have read about many more.)

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For now I have to put a hold on the Subi conversion. I picked up a side shift gearbox so need to get that converted over first. If I can find a 2.0 head and a decent FI system I may just stick with that. I did read your long post on hydraulic lifters in the PP forum. My work buddy was suggesting that we transition the motor to a hydraulic lifter set up so I was just doing some research and found your post on the PP thread. Interesting read.

I have way to many ideas and not enough time, sense or money to bring them all to fruition. I really need to re-focus my efforts to finishing off one project at a time on this car! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)
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post Oct 10 2013, 09:14 PM
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Well,

You need a shifter
Front rod
Rear rod
Engine mount brackets for motor
Engine mount bar
Special conversion bushing for firewall
All new other bushings, buy the kit and toss the firewall bushing
Rear shifter coupler
Rear shift console plastic cover and metal clamp
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post Oct 11 2013, 06:25 AM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Oct 10 2013, 07:14 PM) *

Well,

You need a shifter
Front rod
Rear rod
Engine mount brackets for motor
Engine mount bar
Special conversion bushing for firewall
All new other bushings, buy the kit and toss the firewall bushing
Rear shifter coupler
Rear shift console plastic cover and metal clamp

Yeah, I'm in the process of tracking those items down. The guy here in Norfolk may have all of those parts. I sent him what I needed and will link up with him this Saturday to see what I can find in his stash. I think he's a 914 parts hoarder. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Oct 11 2013, 06:34 AM
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So the guy I am buying the gearbox from also has a 2.4 six cyl that has been sitting for 2 years. He said he has a set of Nicksil 2.7 cyl and pistons to go with the motor and wants $200 for it. He also said that the reason it is sitting is that it has a spun bearing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Soooo, I know what problems a spun bearing will introduce with a standard iron block motor, I assume the same problems would manifest themselves with the 6cyl 2.4 motors? Should I run and hide from this deal or is it worth a look?

I like the thought of converting to a 6 but not if it is gonna cost me an arm and a leg, I would like some opinions from the more knowledgeable out there as I am merely a shade tree mechanic!
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post Oct 11 2013, 10:41 AM
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No such thing as a $200 2.4L six. It'll be $10K+ by the time you get done with the motor... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Then again, that's true of most 911 motors.

A spun bearing can be fixed, all it takes is time and money. I know that Walt at Competition Engineering used to machine the mag cases so they could be re-used. He would take a shallow pass over the whole sealing surface between the case halves on a mill. Then he'd clamp the two halves together and re-bore the crank and intermediate shaft bores.

It's possible that there is too much damage inside to repair for any sane amount of $$, but I'm thinking it's worth the risk.

Frankly, $200 sounds on the cheap side for a core 911 motor. Especially if he throws in the new P&Cs. Does he know what the thing "should" be worth? (If he does, then why is it so cheap?)

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post Oct 11 2013, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE(Dave_Darling @ Oct 11 2013, 08:41 AM) *

No such thing as a $200 2.4L six. It'll be $10K+ by the time you get done with the motor... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Then again, that's true of most 911 motors.

A spun bearing can be fixed, all it takes is time and money. I know that Walt at Competition Engineering used to machine the mag cases so they could be re-used. He would take a shallow pass over the whole sealing surface between the case halves on a mill. Then he'd clamp the two halves together and re-bore the crank and intermediate shaft bores.

It's possible that there is too much damage inside to repair for any sane amount of $$, but I'm thinking it's worth the risk.

Frankly, $200 sounds on the cheap side for a core 911 motor. Especially if he throws in the new P&Cs. Does he know what the thing "should" be worth? (If he does, then why is it so cheap?)

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I'm thinking he really doesn't know the value of what he is selling. He wanted $500 for the tranny and I offered him $300 which he took.

Hell the damn cylinders and pistons are going for $400 or more on ebay by themselves! The deal killer is whether or not he can get the heads back from his ex-girlfriend. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) If he can't do that then no deal.
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post Oct 11 2013, 08:09 PM
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Well, tranny is in NC. My buddy picked it up and talked to the guy. Turns out he does a lot of racing with foreign cars. The 2.4 has been sitting in a shop for the last two years and he just wants to get rid of it. If he can get the heads, we have a deal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif)

Surprisingly, the wife didn't object when I mentioned getting the motor. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I think she has resigned herself to the fact that I'm just gonna do it anyway so she might as well stop fighting it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

I'll work on the car this weekend and sort out the electrical issues so I can get it up and running. Then I can drive it at least while I work on acquiring the rest of the side shift gearbox hardware and start prepping for the six conversion. I need to do some bodywork first though. At least I'll be a well trained welder when I start, I start TIG lessons in January. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif) I may talk to the welding shop that straightened out my bed frame, I think I can talk him into letting me be a pseudo apprentice and practice MIG in the interim. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)

Also talked to 'Phil,' the guy with the rest of the parts. He said, 'you ever watch that show American pickers?' I said yeah, I've seen it. He said, 'I'm like the guy that those guys go and visit. I got a lot of shit.' Too include 3 Harleys and a Triumph that, from the sounds of it, may be antiques. This could be a very beneficial relationship. I'll link up with him on Sunday and see what he's got. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Oct 13 2013, 01:18 PM
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Well, the parts hunt for the rest of the items to convert the teener to a side shift trans is moving along splendidly. I went by to see Phil this afternoon and came away with the engine mounting bar with all hardware, transmission mounts, shift linkage (both parts) and two front signal light buckets for $255. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) My old buckets have the dang plastic duct taped on cause they cracked.

He didn't have the shifter assembly so I am still on the hunt for that. He had a complete FI system for a 1.7 sans injectors but I will pick that up at a later time. All in all a good day. I had hoped to work on the teener yesterday however, the Merc has some fuel issues so I need to sort that out before I can start on the Porsche. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I think I recall seeing a couple of 73 and older teeners being parted out on CL, I may see if they have the shifter assembly. Once I have that then I'll be ready to start the prep to transfer it over.
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Don't forget the converter bushing in the firewall. Has the OD for the early car, the ID for the later shift rod.

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QUOTE(stephenaki @ Oct 13 2013, 03:18 PM) *

Well, the parts hunt for the rest of the items to convert the teener to a side shift trans is moving along splendidly. I went by to see Phil this afternoon and came away with the engine mounting bar with all hardware, transmission mounts, shift linkage (both parts) and two front signal light buckets for $255. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) My old buckets have the dang plastic duct taped on cause they cracked.

He didn't have the shifter assembly so I am still on the hunt for that. He had a complete FI system for a 1.7 sans injectors but I will pick that up at a later time. All in all a good day. I had hoped to work on the teener yesterday however, the Merc has some fuel issues so I need to sort that out before I can start on the Porsche. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I think I recall seeing a couple of 73 and older teeners being parted out on CL, I may see if they have the shifter assembly. Once I have that then I'll be ready to start the prep to transfer it over.


I'm pretty sure I still have the shifter from my flared car at Scotty b's. If it's there, it's yours. $n/c - Mark
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 13 2013, 10:22 PM) *

QUOTE(stephenaki @ Oct 13 2013, 03:18 PM) *

Well, the parts hunt for the rest of the items to convert the teener to a side shift trans is moving along splendidly. I went by to see Phil this afternoon and came away with the engine mounting bar with all hardware, transmission mounts, shift linkage (both parts) and two front signal light buckets for $255. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) My old buckets have the dang plastic duct taped on cause they cracked.

He didn't have the shifter assembly so I am still on the hunt for that. He had a complete FI system for a 1.7 sans injectors but I will pick that up at a later time. All in all a good day. I had hoped to work on the teener yesterday however, the Merc has some fuel issues so I need to sort that out before I can start on the Porsche. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I think I recall seeing a couple of 73 and older teeners being parted out on CL, I may see if they have the shifter assembly. Once I have that then I'll be ready to start the prep to transfer it over.


I'm pretty sure I still have the shifter from my flared car at Scotty b's. If it's there, it's yours. $n/c - Mark


ps - also have a stock 914 shift knob in decent condition.
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QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 13 2013, 06:36 PM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Oct 13 2013, 10:22 PM) *

QUOTE(stephenaki @ Oct 13 2013, 03:18 PM) *

Well, the parts hunt for the rest of the items to convert the teener to a side shift trans is moving along splendidly. I went by to see Phil this afternoon and came away with the engine mounting bar with all hardware, transmission mounts, shift linkage (both parts) and two front signal light buckets for $255. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) My old buckets have the dang plastic duct taped on cause they cracked.

He didn't have the shifter assembly so I am still on the hunt for that. He had a complete FI system for a 1.7 sans injectors but I will pick that up at a later time. All in all a good day. I had hoped to work on the teener yesterday however, the Merc has some fuel issues so I need to sort that out before I can start on the Porsche. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I think I recall seeing a couple of 73 and older teeners being parted out on CL, I may see if they have the shifter assembly. Once I have that then I'll be ready to start the prep to transfer it over.


I'm pretty sure I still have the shifter from my flared car at Scotty b's. If it's there, it's yours. $n/c - Mark


ps - also have a stock 914 shift knob in decent condition.

Mark,
Got a shift knob, thanks though. Your steering wheel should be to you tomorrow.

Time to work on the teener, after several hours of trouble shooting the Merc, we found two issues. Connections to electrical distribution box were not connected properly and...distributor cap and rotor were shit. Going to pick up a new cap and rotor from O'Reilly's in a few. I'll need to eventually replace all the hoses on this car as they are all cracking from age.
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post Oct 20 2013, 03:49 PM
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Picked up the transmission from my brother in law, looks to be in good condition from the outside. I'll start tearing it down this week to see what the inside looks like. It was a good weekend, I also got my first deer after 8 years of not getting to hunt. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/piratenanner.gif) Dressed out at about 100 lbs.

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Looking forward to playing with her stack.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Now, where did I put Dr. Evil's DVD.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
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post Oct 20 2013, 03:57 PM
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Chris Foley at tangerine racing manufactures a most excellent firewall bushing.
Don't be cheap in this spot, it's the key to good shifting.

The bushing that is sold as a conversion bushing is very loose fitting and very large inner dimension....and it sucks to put in place.

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QUOTE(r_towle @ Oct 20 2013, 01:57 PM) *

Chris Foley at tangerine racing manufactures a most excellent firewall bushing.
Don't be cheap in this spot, it's the key to good shifting.

The bushing that is sold as a conversion bushing is very loose fitting and very large inner dimension....and it sucks to put in place.

Rich

Just looked at what they got, sounds like a plan, thanks for the recommendation. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)
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So I did some thread searching and found a thread posted by Chad Newton this past September asking what all was needed for the side shift conversion. Below is what was posted with my annotations on wheather I have the item or not.

Shifter - coming
shaft from shifter to firewall - Yes
Bent rod from firewall to tranny - Yes
Engine mount bar - Yes
Engine mounts (engine to bar) - Yes
Engine mounts (bar to body) - Yes
Linkage cover at firewall - Yes, same for tail and sideshift I assume
Linkage cover at tranny - Looking
Boots for linkage (both ends) - have one but needs replacement
two cone screws - Need to check
New firewall bushing - Will order from Tangerine
New bushing at tranny end - will order
New Ball for tranny end - Not sure on this


So, PP has an aftermarket linkage cover at the tranny, AA has linkage boots, any other options for the cover and boots out there? I will be ordering the gasket set for the tranny from PP here shortly, checked with the local Porsche dealer, they can get the gaskets BUT, they have to come from Germany and it will take a few weeks... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) Guess I won't be using these guys at all.

Also saw a note that I will need to change one of the heat exchanger units to an older model? Can someone please clarify?
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