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| moggy |
 Jul 31 2008, 11:30 AM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 15-December 04 From: Wales Member No.: 3,285  |
Guys
Need some help with historic authentication. Basically my historic 914 rallycar is strangled big-time by the stock exhaust (2litre 4cylinder). I'm not allowed to use an aftermarket exhaust unless I can prove it was used in period. The only other 914-4 I can find that raced pre '74 is the Ginther car. I can't find any pictures of the exhaust system they used on this car back in the day. Anyone have any ideas if they used a stock system or something else? Here's a shot of my car from the last rally I did a few days ago (after I tried to rip off the flimsy f/g bumper going thru a watersplash too fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) (IMG:http://www.90right.com/reports/coracle08/photos/No37.JPG) Much appreciated. Moggy |
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| VaccaRabite |
Jul 31 2008, 11:49 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,445 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Could you use stingers? They are period and were used, but you would be running w/o a muffler.
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| URY914 |
Jul 31 2008, 12:17 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,737 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
I would talk to RacerChris. He knows more about 914 exhaust history than anyone I would say.
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| Root_Werks |
Jul 31 2008, 12:18 PM
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Village Idiot Group: Members Posts: 8,321 Joined: 25-May 04 From: About 5NM from Canada Member No.: 2,105 Region Association: Pacific Northwest 
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That is a cool picture. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) |
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| hydroliftin |
Jul 31 2008, 09:48 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 373 Joined: 8-November 06 From: Vallejo, CA Member No.: 7,180 Region Association: Northern California |
I'm no expert on 1971 race cars, but I'm pretty good with Google. Here is a guy who claims to have restored Ginther's 914-4. He may have the answers you seek. He also says that there was an article in a 1971 Panorama Magazine detailing the construction of the car. Maybe someone here might be able to get you a copy of the article.
http://www.frankracing.com/914.html |
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| Dave_Darling |
Jul 31 2008, 11:16 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,990 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California
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Email Bruce Anderson (possibly BrucePor@aol.com ; or go through http://www.911handbook.com). They ran 914-4s in a number of venues back in the 70s.
--DD |
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| Brett W |
Aug 1 2008, 01:28 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,856 Joined: 17-September 03 From: huntsville, al Member No.: 1,169 Region Association: None
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I was under the impression the Garrettson exhaust system was designed in conjunction with Ginther.
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| moggy |
Aug 1 2008, 03:19 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 15-December 04 From: Wales Member No.: 3,285 |
Thanks guys for all your input.
I'm already in contact with Chris at Frank Racing, very nice guy and very helpful. I'll e-mail Bruce, thanks Dave. What's a Garrettson exhaust? Any ideas when it was developed and made available to the aftermarket world? Cheers Moggy |
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| jd74914 |
Aug 1 2008, 06:32 AM
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Its alive Group: Members Posts: 4,780 Joined: 16-February 04 From: CT Member No.: 1,659 Region Association: North East States |
Moggy, Paul suggested speaking to Chris at Tangerine Racing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
www.tangerineracing.com I may be wrong, but I believe Chris builds a modified/improved version of the Garretson exhaust. |
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| moggy |
Aug 1 2008, 06:56 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 192 Joined: 15-December 04 From: Wales Member No.: 3,285 |
QUOTE(jd74914 @ Aug 1 2008, 04:32 AM)  Moggy, Paul suggested speaking to Chris at Tangerine Racing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) www.tangerineracing.com I may be wrong, but I believe Chris builds a modified/improved version of the Garretson exhaust. Thanks, just sent an e-mail off to him to ask if he could help. Has anyone got a picture of this Garretson exhaust system that is being quoted? |
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| ChrisFoley |
Aug 1 2008, 08:46 AM
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I am Tangerine Racing Group: Members Posts: 7,928 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Bolton, CT Member No.: 209 Region Association: None
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QUOTE(moggy @ Aug 1 2008, 08:56 AM) Thanks, just sent an e-mail off to him to ask if he could help. Has anyone got a picture of this Garretson exhaust system that is being quoted? Richard, I got your email. My exhaust is an evolution of the Garretson exhaust. I think the Garretson exhaust was developed around 1980 for a Carrera Panamericana car, but Bruce Anderson would know better than me since he was there. There is only one mention of exhaust in the Pano article about the Ginther SCCA car, right at the end: "Add a set of headers, turn on the key, and you are ready to race your 914-4 right down to the wire, Ritchie Ginther style." If I'm not mistaken, exhaust has always been free in Production Class SCCA racing. |
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