On Topic: it's illegal to wash my 914, you guys will get a kick out of this... Options

[SirAndy]

What about all
the oil and crap the is washed off the streets
after a rain does it just go straight to the Bay?

most of it goes straight into the bay. the sewer gutters actually have little signs on them telling you that all the crap you see in there will in fact go straight into the bay.

at least they let you know ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif)
Andy

[Joe Bob]

Well, the rule is also coupled with mandantory street sweeping.....BTW....most of this is driven by FEDERAL Law....not the local wackos. Some Cities are taking their sweet time getting into local ordinances.

[SirAndy]

BTW I have my own water treatment plant...it's called a septic system.
I also have my own spring water source...a well.

so, doesnt that mean, if you wash your car in the driveway you'll drink that crapolla later ???

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy

[ArtechnikA]

...the sewer gutters actually have little signs on them telling you that all the crap you see in there will in fact go straight into the bay.

and here in the East, the tons of road salt go - back to the ocean from which it came !

[Brett W]

I am so glad I don't live in California. I would spend my day pissing off the sorry ass liberals. I want the government out of my life and taxes. I'll pay taxes to have my roads paved, (with tar which is petroleum based), my borders defended, and my enemies asses kicked. I do not want to pay to educate someone elses kid, feed some worthless wellfare junky, treat illegal aliens with some great "by your leave sir", etc. Let me govern my self within the bounds of civilized human decency. Let me drive my teener, wash my teener, fix my teener with out having to get a permit for any of the above. I can live with car registration.

As far as pollution goes, Mt St Helens puked more crap into the atmosphere than have all of the cars in the last 50 years. Enough about global warming. It is warming becaause we are getting closer to the sun and we will all burn up one day, but you know what Who cares I will have long assumed room temperature and won't give a shit.

Yes this is the attidute that has gotten us to this point, SO WHAT.

[mightyohm]

Move to Mountain View, I am only 10-15 mins from you and I don't have to deal with that crap. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

[fiid]

It's true that there is a reasonable amount of shite that builds up on cars (and the street beneath) that will get washed into the sea when you wash your car. The detergent from a car wash will pull oil out of the road surface on it's way out as well. My argument is more around the fact that there is an awful lot of worse pollutants out there - mostly in big business.

For those of you who think California sucks though - I offer this:

And finally, New Rule: Lay off California! [laughter] [applause] You know, the rest of America has been having quite a laugh at California’s expense lately. But let’s remember this: California has a lot of people. [laughter] And the reason it does is lots of other people in other states saying, “Fuck this, I’m outta here!” [laughter] [applause]

And then those people come here to California, and people ask them, “Don’t you miss the winters?” [laughter] No, strangely enough, I don’t. [laughter] Much the same way I don’t miss slamming a car door on my hands. [laughter]

Make fun of California, but if it weren’t for California, East Coast rappers would have to shoot musicians from Branson. [laughter] [applause]

If it weren’t for California, there’s be almost no TV, and you’d have to come home at night and actually talk to your family. [laughter] [applause]

You know, the rest of America feels about California the way the rest of the world feels about America. They hate us because we do what we want. They think we’re too blessed and too free, and it makes them nuts in the dreary hovels of Kabul and Tikrit and Lubbock, Texas. [laughter] [applause]

They pray to their threadbare gods that we’ll get what we deserve. But it won’t happen. [laughter] Because you never know what we’re going to do here next. We elected Ronald Reagan and Jerry Brown. [laughter] [applause]

We’re home to Disney and Hustler, the Partridge Family and the Manson Family. [laughter] We can drink a Mudslide and a Sex on the Beach during an actual mudslide while having sex on the beach! [laughter] [applause]

Our farms feed the world, and Calista Flockhart lives here. [laughter]

We have bears and great white sharks. And even our washed-up actors are allowed to kill one blonde chick. [laughter] [groans]

We invented surfing and cyber-porn and LSD and the boob job. And if we didn’t, we would haven. [laughter]

We have oranges, free oranges, everywhere. What grows on the trees in Scranton, fucker?! [laughter] [applause]

We have a real hockey team named after a hockey team in a movie! [laughter]

Our Indian casinos could kick your Indian casinos’ ass. [laughter]

We give our illegal aliens driver’s licenses. [laughter] And we have a guy running for governor who digs group sex. [laughter] [applause]

Would anywhere else in America trade places with L.A. or San Francisco in a piss-soaked New York minute? You bet they would. Because I don’t recall anyone ever writing a song called “I Wish They All Could Be Rhode Island Girls”! [laughter] [applause]

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[KaptKaos]

California does suck. Don't make any mistakes. As for the jokes about people leaving their states to come to California, understand that if it were not for illeagal immigration, California would have a huge DROP in population. Nevada and Arizona are getting the people. You know why? The weather is comparable and they have less taxes. Businesses are FLEEING California (as will mine one day) becuase the cost to do business here, live here, work here, raise a family here in a decent middle-class neighborhood is so high that average income earners can not live here.

So save me your tripe about people coming to California. Illegal immigrants are coming to California because we give away every benefit that we can. That is why California is not shrinking in population, and it is the only reason.

Mark my words, in 5 to 10 years, unless something drastic is done, California will be a third world state. There are too few supporting too many and something has got to give.

"Who is John Galt?"

[Bruce Allert]

Mark my words, in 5 to 10 years, unless something drastic is done, California will be a third world state.

When that happens property prices will go down, standard of living will go down & beach front property will be affordable! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Another gold rush about to happen (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Go West young man, Go West

...........b

[SirAndy]

Mark my words, in 5 to 10 years, unless something drastic is done, California will be a third world state.

it'll take more than illegal immigrants to turn the 5th larges economy in the world into a 3rd world country.
have you actually ever been to a 3rd world country? (and i don't mean staying at a resort)

but i have to agree with your assessment of the overall (srewd up) politics around here.
and arnold won't help, i'm afraid ...

<_< Andy

[Scott S]

Grew up in Newport and Villa ("Vanilla") Park (OC). I left in 1982 at 14 years old. Other than visiting remaining familly, I never have missed it. There is nothing that would bring me back - regardless of politics. I replaced the smell of the beach and watching the guys in the Dory fishing fleet with getting off of a chair at the top of Vail. Don't get me wrong, I had a killer child hood - I miss the fire rings on the beach, I miss the time spent with friends scraping wax. It's just not the same as it was. In todays world would you let your 10 year old go under the pier after dark to pry of muscles to go fishing with? We used to on a regular basis.
I like the seasons here in CO, I love the outdoor lifestyle, and the people are very friendly for the most part. I am leaving the office at 3 today (friday) will be at the Dillon house by four, will take a couple of nite skiing runs, then fire up the BBQ. Tomorrow I'll be at Vail at 8am. We are expecting 10" of new snow up there tonight. Maybe throw down a bit of Goldschlager around 2:30 on the deck at Lionshead.
A perfect day...... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/drunk.gif)

In a few monthes we will wax and store the skis and do the exact same things - only with a mountian bike or hiking boots - and a cold Fat Tire!
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[PatW]

It can take the piss out of Budweiser.

You don't buy Beer. You Rent it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer.gif)

[PatW]

Grew up in Newport and Villa ("Vanilla") Park (OC). I left in 1982 at 14 years old. watching the guys in the Dory fishing fleet with getting off of a chair at the top of Vail.

My mom and I used to drive from Irvine to Newport early in the morning to meet the Dory fleet. We'd buy fish right off the boat and watch it be cleaned and cut right in front us. Great memories. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[fiid]

Mark my words, in 5 to 10 years, unless something drastic is done, California will be a third world state.

it'll take more than illegal immigrants to turn the 5th larges economy in the world into a 3rd world country.
have you actually ever been to a 3rd world country? (and i don't mean staying at a resort)

but i have to agree with your assessment of the overall (srewd up) politics around here.
and arnold won't help, i'm afraid ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) Andy

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I don't think CA is perfect, but it's got a lot going for it. The politics is a little screwey, but take a look at the rest of the country too. The politics in this country will be (and are) complety screwed and will remain so until corporations and special interests are no longer allowed to buy the government.

I think the Jury is still out on Arnie. I think it's fairly ridiculous that he is where he is; but the fact that he is there is a testament to democracy in a way. Since he is governor we might as well give him a chance to do something worthwhile.

[SirAndy]

I think the Jury is still out on Arnie. I think it's fairly ridiculous that he is where he is; but the fact that he is there is a testament to democracy in a way.

OR,

it could also be a testament that democracy IS NOT working. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
depending on how you look at it ...

if you can get elected because you PLAY a tought guy on TV
and people think that will somehow translate into indepth knowledge
on how to run a state, maybe those people should not be allowed to
elect a governor after all.
just a tought <_<

[fiid]

ROTFL. You can put the power to the people (unless you are PG&E), but you can't make the people smart.

The last time this happened was Reagan, who everyone thought was senile, but turned out later to be somewhat intelligent (referrering to the recent publication of the letters).

I think part of the problem is that things here are really pretty good for most people, so noone really bothers worrying too much about politics - myself included - although that is helped along by the fact that I can't vote.

I don't know how to fix the world. I'll stick to organizing lunches. :-)

[ArtechnikA]

...the fact that he is there is a testament to democracy in a way.

democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on the menu; liberty is a well-armed sheep.

[makinson1]

Please inform the ignorant. I thought oil was biodegradable. And how much of what kinds of heavy metals? Are crooks allowed to use lead bullets or is that illegal in California too?

[airsix]

democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on the menu; liberty is a well-armed sheep.

Now where have I seen that quote before? he he

That's one of the big problems in my mind. Liberals want a democracy. A democracy is mob-rule. Mobs are stupid. Get them riled up and they'll stomp off to do almost anything. We live in a (diluted) republic. A republic insures that the fickle and emotionally whipsawed 'will of the people' is tempered and moderated by elected representation. That's why we have an electoral college. In the past, citizens didn't vote for president. Citizens elected state legistlatures who elected senetors, who elected presidents.

-Ben

[makinson1]

I think the Jury is still out on Arnie.  I think it's fairly ridiculous that he is where he is; but the fact that he is there is a testament to democracy in a way.  Since he is governor we might as well give him a chance to do something worthwhile.

If Arnold thinks he can take my guns away from me, he better really be the Terminator.