On Topic: it's illegal to wash my 914, you guys will get a kick out of this... Options

[SirAndy]

Please inform the ignorant. I thought oil was biodegradable.

1 Liter of oil can contaminate 1.000.000 Liter of fresh water.
meaning, YOU get sick when you drink it ...

bio-degradeable is not a word i would use describing oil. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
Andy

[SirAndy]

If Arnold thinks he can take my guns away from me, he better really be the Terminator.

so, we go from washing your car (or NOT) to taking your guns away (or NOT) ....

gotta love these OT-Threads ....

anything else? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Andy

[mightyohm]

Used motor oil especially has a ton of bad stuff in it.

I would be pissed if I couldn't wash my own car in my driveway.

They'd probably be REALLY mad if they knew I was rebuilding an engine in my backyard...

[ArtechnikA]

... Are crooks allowed to use lead bullets or is that illegal in California too?

in CA, each bullet has a teeny label warning you that it can cause cancer in survivors ...

but i kid you not - in LA County, you cannot buy ammunition the week before New Years - as if that would stop anyone who -really wanted- to engage in random celebratory gunfire from planning ahead and stocking up. but just this year in downtown Philadelphia a carful of guys fired full magazines of 9mm into the air. and the case against 'em is pretty strong, 'cause they had VIDEOTAPED it from inside the car, and the cops who pulled them over had no trouble watching the whole thing ...

but yeah - that's the thing - CA legislators haven't quite figured out that you can't count on criminals to obey the law ...

[SirAndy]

democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on the menu; liberty is a well-armed sheep.

ok, help me out here.

how does it help you and/or american society in general to be well armed?
for what purpose?

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy

[rhilgers]

Geez...You can still do it. Just park on the lawn or dirt area...

http://www.city.palo-alto.ca.us/cleanbay/r.../residents.html

Wash cars on an unpaved surface where dirty water won't flow to a driveway, street, gutter or storm drain. Empty your bucket of soapy water into a sink or toilet. Better yet, use a commercial car wash.

[ArtechnikA]

how does it help you and/or american society in general to be well armed? for what purpose?

Robert Heinlein said "an armed society is a polite society" and there's something to that. at Woodstock, John Sebastian said "a cloth house is all you need if you've got love" but he had it backwards - a cloth house is all you need if your neighbor has love.

California is an interesting area - law enforcement has repeatedly claimed it has no particular obligation to protect you. society in general, sure, but an individual "you" - nope. and yet they simultaneously want to deprive you of the right to defend yourself.

you've probably seen the sticker that says "fear the government that fears your guns." there's something to that.

if you don't want to be able to defend yourself, that's fine; you're free to choose to be a victim. but don't be so willing to impose that choice on others.

[SirAndy]

but don't be so willing to impose that choice on others.

i'm not trying to impose anything on anybody. <_<

i come from a country where owning a gun is illegal and crimes involving a gun are almost unheard of.
i am sincerely trying to understand your motivation.

my question was not rethorical by any means.
nor does your liberal/republican categorazation of people apply to me.

but going back to your reply, it seems that you neither fear democracy in general nor your government in particular,
but rather it is your fellow american citizen that gives you the feeling that you need to own a weapon.

is that correct?

Andy

[Joe Bob]

The issue about guns is that once the government takes away the guns, only THEY have the guns....in countries where the civil liberties are less than guarenteed, this can be a bad thing. That's why they put in the right to bear arms back in the 1700's document called the Bill of Rights.

It is NOW such an ingrained right or privelege that most are loathe to give it up. Those that live in other countries where the right was taken away or never allowed don't understand.

You kinda had to be there....is the best way to describe it....

[fiid]

Allright - I have one for you gun-advocates - I want your opinions on this - it's just something I have been thinking about recently.

I believe a lot of the same rationales for gun ownership also holds true for illegal drugs.

If people can own drugs freely then usage goes down (as experienced in Holland) and when there is legal usage, it is safer since it can be regulated - and taxed.

You also completely abolish the drug trade - which means no dealers, no pot users sitting jails, no drug mules dieing because the condom full of dope ruptured, etc etc.

Just a brainfart....

[SirAndy]

I believe a lot of the same rationales for gun ownership also holds true for illegal drugs.

but guns are not illegal here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

you're comparing bananas with nuts, so to speak ...
Andy

Palo Alto is stupid. Screw them. They don't even let people use their lawn mowers before 10am or something like that.

[ArtechnikA]

i'm not trying to impose anything on anybody. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

i am sincerely trying to understand your motivation.

...rather it is your fellow american citizen that gives you the feeling that you need to own a weapon.
is that correct?

i didn't get the feeling you were trying to impose anything, and you're right my response, written while trying to close out the day, was written in haste and poorly worded, for which i apologize. i did take your question at face value although my response does not convey that.

i do not feel the need to own anything. it is a choice, and i respect the choice of people who choose not to. (but often, people who choose not to also prefer to deny the choices of others. this is true of many things.)

i have the means to defend myself and my family in the ultimate extreme. beyond having the means, i believe i have the resolve to. resolve without means is suboptimal; means without resolve is not infrequently dangerous.)

i enjoy the sporting aspects of firearm use - like golf, target marksmanship has a mental side, and a physical side, a degree of technicality and a level of concentration. i don't hunt but i don't mind people who do so humanely. i haven't perforated anything but paper, and i'd like to keep it that way.

[ArtechnikA]

Allright - I have one for you gun-advocates - I want your opinions on this - it's just something I have been thinking about recently.

I believe a lot of the same rationales for gun ownership also holds true for illegal drugs.

If people can own drugs freely then usage goes down (as experienced in Holland) and when there is legal usage, it is safer since it can be regulated - and taxed.

You also completely abolish the drug trade - which means no dealers, no pot users sitting jails, no drug mules dieing because the condom full of dope ruptured, etc etc.

yes - and this goes for most victimless 'crimes'.

it is the extreme of the Libertarian philosophy. there will be people who will abuse decriminalised drugs - just as there are people who abuse the drugs that are currently legal, taxed, and just as dangerous.

the stigma and fear of prosecution of 'illegal' or unlawful use keeps many people from seeking treatment.

the thing about liberty is: you've either got it, or you don't. but i don't confuse liberty with anarchy, for one of the reasons you brought up - there is a role for government in providing infrastructure, such as a transportation systems, and a food & drug administration...

[Kevin@ojai.net]

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) Stupid laws (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif) Wash your car, it deserves it.

[fiid]

I believe a lot of the same rationales for gun ownership also holds true for illegal drugs.

but guns are not illegal here (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

you're comparing bananas with nuts, so to speak ...
Andy

This is why it's so interesting..... I think that a lot of people who advocate guns would also advocate drugs being illegal. I could be wrong though.

To me the main place where it falls down is that It's hard to use an ecstacy tab to kill someone else. Guns typically fire outward, and it effects a lot more than the owner. If you OD on heroin you end up dead - if you shoot a lot of people - they end up dead, and you may or may not.

So for this reason, I think guns ought to be controlled and drugs ought to be regulated for quality and taxed, in much the way cigarettes are today.

[zehrschnell914]

AirSix for President!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/flag.gif)

[krk]

democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on the menu; liberty is a well-armed sheep.

Now where have I seen that quote before? he he

That's one of the big problems in my mind. Liberals want a democracy. A democracy is mob-rule. Mobs are stupid. Get them riled up and they'll stomp off to do almost anything. We live in a (diluted) republic. A republic insures that the fickle and emotionally whipsawed 'will of the people' is tempered and moderated by elected representation. That's why we have an electoral college. In the past, citizens didn't vote for president. Citizens elected state legistlatures who elected senetors, who elected presidents.

-Ben

Hm. There's thing things like "the constitution" and the body of "law" that should prolly be mentioned. I ain't from around here -- so my comments prolly don't mean much. But it seems to me that at least one of the "brakes" on the mob rule issue is the fundamentals underlying the game. The constitution, the rule of law, etc. The voting part is to pick players that (in principle) play within the rules of the game.

kim.

[scottb]

I tried to build a detached garage with a drain in the slab. The guy who ispected the footings said I would have to include an oil separator and get another permit.

what is a permit? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

i have had umpteen thousand $ of work done "under the radar" but fully within spec by a friend who is a licensed contractor and his subs. we agree on one thing, permits are simply a way to notify the local gub'ment it is time to raise your taxes because you spent some money improving your property.

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[redshift]

but going back to your reply, it seems that you neither fear democracy in general nor your government in particular,
but rather it is your fellow american citizen that gives you the feeling that you need to own a weapon.

is that correct?

Andy

I don't plan on ANYONE hurting me, I plan on EVERYONE hurting me.


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