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| JOE M |
 Aug 19 2008, 06:30 PM
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Uhhhhhh Ohhhhhhhhhh
My passenger door is sagging and I need an inexpensive way to fix it. My goal is not to have a show car but a decent driver ( without a sagging frame). I do not think it is too bad yet but the passenger door is deffinently off. I placed a jack under the front and when I raised the car the door aligned prety good. I have attached a couple of pics if it helps. It looks like the P.O did some work because the the outter portion of the long looks fairly good. Also I removed the carpet to see if that revealed anything and it looks pretty good. I can not see anything from inside the car but under there is some rust. It does not look as bad as some that I have seen but I am not an expert by any means. Any suggestions on what I could do to get by. |
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| JOE M |
Aug 19 2008, 06:34 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 27-August 07 From: N.H Member No.: 8,042 Region Association: None |
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| Jeff Hail |
Aug 19 2008, 06:56 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,141 Joined: 3-May 07 From: LA/ CA Member No.: 7,712 |
QUOTE(JOE M @ Aug 19 2008, 05:34 PM)  Visual clues concern me. What I cannot see in the photos concerns me even more! Attached image(s)  
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| dr914@autoatlanta.com |
Aug 19 2008, 06:56 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 7,864 Joined: 3-January 07 From: atlanta georgia Member No.: 7,418 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(JOE M @ Aug 19 2008, 05:34 PM) in stock rocker clamshells are down and dirty. We also have the jack post combo to weld in first. we have good instructions about how to install |
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| JOE M |
Aug 19 2008, 07:04 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 27-August 07 From: N.H Member No.: 8,042 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(dr914@autoatlanta.com @ Aug 19 2008, 04:56 PM) QUOTE(JOE M @ Aug 19 2008, 05:34 PM) in stock rocker clamshells are down and dirty. We also have the jack post combo to weld in first. we have good instructions about how to install So what do you think I need to fix this problem and what do you think the problem is?. Also are there any other areas that I can take pictures of to be more revealing. I did take a peak under the carpet and there are no visual signs of rust from the inside. I dont know if this helps. |
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| r_towle |
Aug 19 2008, 07:29 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States 
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Where are you located in NH???
I am just south of Nashua and I could take a look for you. There are a few areas that may need to be addressed. It could be very very simple. Rich |
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| JOE M |
Aug 19 2008, 07:29 PM
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some one anyone please help. Do I need to remove anything else to reveal what the extent of the damage is. Is there any cheats to fixing this type of damage because as I said all I want is a decent driver not a show car. I do not think it sagging too much but it is obvious there is a problem. How safe is it to drive as is.
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| SirAndy |
Aug 19 2008, 07:31 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,641 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
Show us a pic of the hell hole and the floor pan from underneath on that side. also, a shot of the area inside the pass. side rear fender well. Jack the car up and take the rear wheel off to get some good shots.
Panorama, no closeups (yet) ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Andy |
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| r_towle |
Aug 19 2008, 07:35 PM
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QUOTE(JOE M @ Aug 19 2008, 09:29 PM) some one anyone please help. Do I need to remove anything else to reveal what the extent of the damage is. Is there any cheats to fixing this type of damage because as I said all I want is a decent driver not a show car. I do not think it sagging too much but it is obvious there is a problem. How safe is it to drive as is. If you are close by I can look for you and show you in person. The "hell hole" is the part of the "frame" just below the battery tray. Move the computer and take a few pics from the engine bay into that area. Take a few pictures below that area from under the car and show the bottom of the long. Your longs dont look bad from the pics, but they do look repainted. It may have been repaired yet not welded properly. The door could be misaligned. Has this car had a front end accident? If so it could change the front door gap and to get that right the door was adjusted poorly. I can make the door look alot better just by adjusting and a few special tricks. Rich |
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| Todd Enlund |
Aug 19 2008, 07:46 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 19 2008, 05:35 PM) Your longs dont look bad from the pics, but they do look repainted. It may have been repaired yet not welded properly. I think that's it exactly... the jack post is missing, so I assume a bad repair job... |
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| Wes V |
Aug 19 2008, 07:50 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 482 Joined: 11-October 07 From: Los angeles Member No.: 8,211 |
Joe;
Jump on the offer that Towle has made!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Offer him and anybody that comes with him a good dinner (or killer lunch). Have really good beer in the refigerator. Pay for his gas (the liquid that goes in the car). Photos can only tell so much and having somebody that knows 914's look at it is invaluable. Ask him if there is anything he would like you to remove before he shows up. Have it removed before hand!! (it's a respect thing) Don't make him wait while you remove something like the battery. Ask him if there are any tools that you should have on hand. Have a jack and jack stands handy. He can't look under it, if he can't get there. Have a note pad and pen. Take notes. Basically, kiss his ass and it will be worth it! Wes V |
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| r_towle |
Aug 19 2008, 07:55 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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QUOTE(Todd Enlund @ Aug 19 2008, 09:46 PM) QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 19 2008, 05:35 PM) Your longs dont look bad from the pics, but they do look repainted. It may have been repaired yet not welded properly. I think that's it exactly... the jack post is missing, so I assume a bad repair job... IC a the jack tube...whatchu talkin bout willis??? Rich |
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| Bartlett 914 |
Aug 19 2008, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 19 2008, 05:55 PM) QUOTE(Todd Enlund @ Aug 19 2008, 09:46 PM) QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 19 2008, 05:35 PM) Your longs dont look bad from the pics, but they do look repainted. It may have been repaired yet not welded properly. I think that's it exactly... the jack post is missing, so I assume a bad repair job... IC a the jack tube...whatchu talkin bout willis??? Rich Looks like a jack hole and not a tube. Shows previous work that was not completed. |
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| VaccaRabite |
Aug 19 2008, 09:03 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,444 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I don't suppose it is something as simple as the door being out of alignment?
Zach |
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| PeeGreen 914 |
Aug 19 2008, 10:29 PM
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QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Aug 19 2008, 08:03 PM) I don't suppose it is something as simple as the door being out of alignment? Zach That was kida what I was thinking but it would be good if Rich got over to make sure that was all it was. |
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| roadster fan |
Aug 20 2008, 01:01 AM
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Project Frankenstein !!!!!!!! Group: Members Posts: 1,009 Joined: 24-November 05 From: Aptos, CA Member No.: 5,184 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Aug 19 2008, 08:03 PM) I don't suppose it is something as simple as the door being out of alignment? Zach I think someone needs to look real hard at the areas that Jeff circled. Especially considering all the cars that have been posted here with bondo covering major issues with fresh paint. Could be easy, could be.....well.....not. I hope it is easy! Jim |
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| JOE M |
Aug 20 2008, 05:43 AM
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Rich I am in Hudson N.H. I live off of RT3a just before the tyngsboro line. Man I hope it is something simple. I love the car and finally convinced my wife to love it. Zach I do not think it is the door out of alignment because when I jacked up the car (jack placed towards the front end) the door gap closed to almost perfect. I think that this car has had some major work done because both door sills are patched. The P.O probably did some work in this area. Overall I think that this car does still have potential.
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| JOE M |
Aug 20 2008, 05:46 AM
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Rich the car is carbureated so the computer is probably gone right? As far as I can see there is no major rust. I removed the carpet from the passenger side and I can not see any rust at all inside the cabin on the floors. I am in Hudson N.H near the Tyngsboro line.
QUOTE(r_towle @ Aug 19 2008, 05:35 PM) QUOTE(JOE M @ Aug 19 2008, 09:29 PM) some one anyone please help. Do I need to remove anything else to reveal what the extent of the damage is. Is there any cheats to fixing this type of damage because as I said all I want is a decent driver not a show car. I do not think it sagging too much but it is obvious there is a problem. How safe is it to drive as is. If you are close by I can look for you and show you in person. The "hell hole" is the part of the "frame" just below the battery tray. Move the computer and take a few pics from the engine bay into that area. Take a few pictures below that area from under the car and show the bottom of the long. Your longs dont look bad from the pics, but they do look repainted. It may have been repaired yet not welded properly. The door could be misaligned. Has this car had a front end accident? If so it could change the front door gap and to get that right the door was adjusted poorly. I can make the door look alot better just by adjusting and a few special tricks. Rich |
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| VaccaRabite |
Aug 20 2008, 07:18 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,444 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Well, if it does turn out to be a broken backbone, but the rest of the car is okay, the good news is that it can be fixed. If someone welded new clam shells to rusty longs, it might be ugly.
Good luck! Post pics and let us know how things looks. Zach |
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| JOE M |
Aug 20 2008, 07:59 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 293 Joined: 27-August 07 From: N.H Member No.: 8,042 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Vacca Rabite @ Aug 20 2008, 05:18 AM) Well, if it does turn out to be a broken backbone, but the rest of the car is okay, the good news is that it can be fixed. If someone welded new clam shells to rusty longs, it might be ugly. Good luck! Post pics and let us know how things looks. Zach Zach, what is the best way to diagnose this problem. Do I need to cut out the parts that highlighted red in the pics above ( I guess they are the outer portion of the longs). I am guessing that the problem lies beneath this portion right? |
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