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sawtooth
post Aug 23 2008, 05:56 PM
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Wanted to start a build thread for my na suby conversion. The car is my newly acquired '73 2.0L fi. It is very clean, appearance group, 2nd owner, 88K. I currently use it as my daily driver.

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I want to do a suby conversion because I believe the overall package will have the performance, drivability, and dependability I'm looking for.

EDIT: I've changed motor selection slightly and am also taking a bigger plunge by going with a suby trans, see Post #49.
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post Aug 24 2008, 12:45 PM
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That's crazy, those are prices that I've seen sixes sell for. Truth is anybody can ask anything, but what it's worth is what it actually sells for instead of what someone HOPES it can sell for. That's the reason for looking at the e-bay "completed" listings, the only place I know to see real actual everyday selling prices. You'll see a lot of high "buy it now" and "reserve not met" prices there too, almost every one of them on cars that didn't sell.

So Sawtooth, what do you think? Have an auction, right here, see what that car is really worth? Could get interesting since you already have an opening bid of $6K and it's not even offered yet. And of course need to confirm the other side of the equation too, that you can really find a 1.7/1.8 as nice as the car you have and as cheap as these good folks say.
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post Aug 24 2008, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(DBCooper @ Aug 24 2008, 11:45 AM) *

Anybody can ask anything, but what it's worth is what it actually sells for.


I agree asking price means jack crap. I kind of made the same point in my post, we don't know what these cars for sale are really worth. And, we don't know the condition of the original posters car. What I know for sure, his car won't be stock when its got a radiator and a Japanese motor. And, any chance of reaping the rewards of scoring a low mileage 2 owner car are gone forever.

I'm not against conversions. But some cars are survivors and this looks like one.

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QUOTE(jasons @ Aug 24 2008, 12:05 PM) *

What I know for sure, his car won't be stock when its got a radiator and a Japanese motor. And, any chance of reaping the rewards of scoring a low mileage 2 owner car are gone forever.


I've heard that over and over, Jake chants it incessantly, for example, but it's not really true. The only "irreversible" changes made to the car are three pieces of metal removed for the radiator. Save those pieces and they're easily replaced if anyone ever wants to convert it back, which to my knowledge has never happened. Even if they aren't saved you're talking about the equivalent of relatively minor rust repair to put it back to stock. That's just not that big a deal, and as I said earlier I personally would pay MORE for a good converted car with a modern and more powerful boxer engine, because it would be a HECK of a lot more fun to drive. And if boxes of the original parts happen to come with it, bonus.

But that's just me, and I'm definitely not a concours kind of guy. Like I said, if somebody has real strong feelings about it they only need to make him an offer he can't refuse. Probably need to do it pretty quick, though...

[I can just see him grinning like a Cheshire cat as he reads this, wondering what the next unsolicited offer is gonna be...]

But to call an end to this discussion, he said in his very first post that he's read all these debates and is past that. It's his car, he knows what he's doing, which is interesting, so now why don't we just watch his build thread?
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post Aug 24 2008, 02:18 PM
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QUOTE(DBCooper @ Aug 24 2008, 01:13 PM) *

But to call an end to this discussion, he said in his very first post that he's read all these debates and is past that. It's his car, he knows what he's doing, which is interesting, so now why don't we just watch his build thread?


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) This thread has been hijacked enough.
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sawtooth   the sawtooth build thread   Aug 23 2008, 05:56 PM
KELTY360   :wttc: Nice looking car. If it's as nice as ...   Aug 23 2008, 07:19 PM
zymurgist   I've got no problems with doing a suby conver...   Aug 24 2008, 08:47 AM
DBCooper   Could be, but how much less would a well converted...   Aug 23 2008, 08:12 PM
KELTY360   Could be, but how much less would a well converte...   Aug 23 2008, 08:59 PM
brant   pretty car neat project I kinda agree with the abo...   Aug 24 2008, 09:09 AM
DBCooper   Could be I guess, I don't pay attention to use...   Aug 24 2008, 09:37 AM
jasons   I'm not opposed to conversions, but your car l...   Aug 24 2008, 10:40 AM
DBCooper   Make him an offer...   Aug 24 2008, 11:22 AM
jasons   Make him an offer... LOL I already have a 73 2....   Aug 24 2008, 11:41 AM
DBCooper   Brant says $8-9K...   Aug 24 2008, 11:23 AM
KELTY360   OK, sure. Hey sawtooth - I'll give you ...   Aug 24 2008, 11:32 AM
jasons   FWIW I don't know how the original posters ca...   Aug 24 2008, 11:52 AM
DBCooper   That's crazy, those are prices that I've s...   Aug 24 2008, 12:45 PM
jasons   Anybody can ask anything, but what it's worth...   Aug 24 2008, 01:05 PM
DBCooper   What I know for sure, his car won't be stock ...   Aug 24 2008, 02:13 PM
jasons   But to call an end to this discussion, he said in...   Aug 24 2008, 02:18 PM
tronporsche   Good points made here. Not to keep things going , ...   Aug 24 2008, 03:37 PM
sawtooth   tron, that is an amazing looking car. And from one...   Aug 24 2008, 07:44 PM
jd74914   Sawtooth, Hopefully these guys didn't scare y...   Aug 24 2008, 07:45 PM
sawtooth   Sawtooth, Hopefully these guys didn't scare ...   Aug 24 2008, 08:55 PM
carreraguy   Sawtooth - FWIW , for obvious reasons I'm tota...   Aug 24 2008, 09:48 PM
sawtooth   Sawtooth - FWIW , for obvious reasons I'm tot...   Aug 29 2008, 03:28 PM
KELTY360   So I guess this means I won't get a screamin...   Aug 24 2008, 10:11 PM
brant   I'll buy your running F.I. drive line for 1K (...   Aug 24 2008, 11:01 PM
Sleepin   I'll buy your running F.I. drive line for 1K ...   Aug 24 2008, 11:21 PM
sawtooth   I'll buy your running F.I. drive line for 1K ...   Aug 25 2008, 07:41 PM
Sleepin   I'll buy your running F.I. drive line for 1K...   Aug 25 2008, 07:46 PM
sawtooth   [quote name='sawtooth' post='1071291' date='Aug 2...   Aug 25 2008, 08:55 PM
tronporsche   Sawtooth, please don't get me wrong, basically...   Aug 25 2008, 02:55 AM
tronporsche   So out of curiosity, do you have a final plan and ...   Aug 26 2008, 03:20 PM
sawtooth   So out of curiosity, do you have a final plan and...   Aug 29 2008, 12:22 AM
bfrymire   So out of curiosity, do you have a final plan an...   Aug 29 2008, 03:51 PM
charliew   Do the guys wanting to buy the motor realize you a...   Aug 30 2008, 11:02 PM
computers4kids   That appears to be a very nice 914 and for the pri...   Aug 30 2008, 11:23 PM
sawtooth   It's been a few months since my last update. T...   Dec 28 2008, 06:56 PM
pktzygt   I'm following your progress. I'm still con...   Dec 31 2008, 01:09 PM
Zaney   :bump: From one Suby guy to another... How goes...   Sep 23 2010, 02:07 PM
sawtooth   :bump: From one Suby guy to another... How goe...   Sep 23 2010, 02:45 PM
Britain Smith   When you say motor mount arms...are you talking ab...   Sep 23 2010, 03:00 PM
sawtooth   When you say motor mount arms...are you talking a...   Sep 23 2010, 03:34 PM
Hontec   Love the Subaru conversion, doing it myself, only ...   Sep 23 2010, 03:38 PM
sawtooth   Love the Subaru conversion, doing it myself, only...   Sep 23 2010, 03:47 PM
Hontec   Love the Subaru conversion, doing it myself, onl...   Sep 23 2010, 03:52 PM
charliew   Sequential tranny as in the new suby sequential tr...   Sep 24 2010, 01:11 PM
Hontec   Sequential tranny as in the new suby sequential t...   Sep 24 2010, 01:26 PM
charliew   If you are talking about the new suby sequential t...   Sep 24 2010, 01:56 PM
Hontec   If you are talking about the new suby sequential ...   Sep 24 2010, 02:55 PM
sawtooth   Back on the project. Since my last update I have d...   Nov 12 2010, 12:42 AM
strawman   Great project (from another Suby guy)! ...   Nov 12 2010, 10:50 AM
sawtooth   Great project (from another Suby guy)! In the...   Nov 12 2010, 11:33 AM
BIGKAT_83   Looking great... You have about the same size inl...   Nov 12 2010, 10:17 AM
sawtooth   Looking great... You have about the same size in...   Nov 12 2010, 10:21 AM
sawtooth   Got some more work done on the car. Engine cradle ...   Dec 11 2010, 09:27 PM
Hontec   Nice setup, but I have a question: I have the same...   Dec 12 2010, 03:42 AM
sawtooth   Yeah, mine look the same as yours. That'd be a...   Dec 12 2010, 07:04 PM
charliew   Nice work. A person here makes the spacers for the...   Dec 13 2010, 11:44 AM
sawtooth   Nice work. A person here makes the spacers for th...   Jan 18 2011, 03:11 PM
sawtooth   Made some more progress... - Refinished fuel tank ...   Jan 7 2011, 09:29 PM
sawtooth   Got to drive my car for the first time in over 2 y...   Feb 1 2011, 12:04 PM
Ferg   :worship: :trophy: Very Nice!   Feb 1 2011, 12:06 PM
BIGKAT_83   Looks real nice. You used a cable clutch? I guess ...   Feb 1 2011, 01:21 PM
sawtooth   Looks real nice. You used a cable clutch? I guess...   Feb 1 2011, 01:32 PM
charliew   For good info on the strengths of the VARIOUS suby...   Feb 1 2011, 01:39 PM
sawtooth   For good info on the strengths of the VARIOUS sub...   Feb 1 2011, 02:11 PM
sawtooth   After a quick break for some honey-do's and en...   Feb 1 2011, 02:28 PM
charliew   Actually you can probably just get the legacy inte...   Feb 1 2011, 02:45 PM
sawtooth   Actually you can probably just get the legacy int...   Feb 1 2011, 02:52 PM
JRust   I'm so much more excited reading your thread a...   Feb 1 2011, 09:03 PM
sawtooth   I'm so much more excited reading your thread ...   Feb 2 2011, 12:00 AM
charliew   Matt's been around a long time and is very kno...   Feb 2 2011, 04:58 AM
sawtooth   Matt's been around a long time and is very kn...   Feb 2 2011, 09:22 AM
draganc   Congratulations!! Great wotk and I’m gla...   Feb 2 2011, 09:39 AM
sawtooth   Congratulations!! Great wotk and I...   Feb 2 2011, 01:15 PM
draganc   ... man I wish I could take you for a drive. It h...   Feb 2 2011, 01:34 PM
bfrymire   Dean, How did you handle the ignitors for the coi...   Feb 2 2011, 08:20 PM
jd74914   How did you handle the ignitors for the coils? I...   Feb 2 2011, 08:37 PM
bfrymire   How did you handle the ignitors for the coils? ...   Feb 2 2011, 09:51 PM
sawtooth   Dean, How did you handle the ignitors for the co...   Feb 3 2011, 01:45 AM
bfrymire   Dean, How did you handle the ignitors for the c...   Feb 3 2011, 02:04 AM
sawtooth   [quote name='sawtooth' post='1426416' date='Feb 2...   Feb 3 2011, 02:10 AM
sawtooth   Here's a short clip of my son and I heading do...   Feb 5 2011, 01:35 AM
bfrymire   Great video! Loved it. And always liked that...   Feb 5 2011, 12:59 PM
sawtooth   Great video! Loved it. And always liked tha...   Feb 5 2011, 04:57 PM
charliew   Boy that sure is good motivation. Nice job. Most o...   Feb 5 2011, 09:29 AM
sawtooth   Boy that sure is good motivation. Nice job. Most ...   Feb 5 2011, 02:52 PM
computers4kids   Great video...love these kind of "in the driv...   Feb 5 2011, 09:56 AM
sawtooth   Great video...love these kind of "in the dri...   Feb 5 2011, 04:05 PM
JRust   Looks great! This is close to just what I want...   Feb 5 2011, 05:40 PM
Hontec   Great video! the sound alone is food for motiv...   Feb 6 2011, 02:12 PM
Zaney   Thanks for the motivation posts!!! I ...   Feb 6 2011, 03:42 PM
sawtooth   Thanks for the motivation posts!!! I...   Feb 6 2011, 10:07 PM
Eric_Shea   That's one cute passenger!   Feb 6 2011, 04:34 PM
sawtooth   That's one cute passenger! Yep she's...   Feb 6 2011, 09:53 PM
Britain Smith   Man...that is awesome! I can't wait to ge...   Feb 6 2011, 11:41 PM
Eric_Shea   I say we try to get a group site at Pine Flats Cam...   Feb 6 2011, 11:51 PM
sawtooth   I say we try to get a group site at Pine Flats Ca...   Feb 7 2011, 12:01 AM
a914622   Love the build. Im looking forward to starting min...   Feb 7 2011, 12:21 AM
sawtooth   Love the build. Im looking forward to starting mi...   Feb 7 2011, 11:08 AM
Eric_Shea   Yup. Great site. We can be river rats and rent ...   Feb 7 2011, 01:12 AM
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