Kind of OT, Will a 6 fit in a 356? |
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Kind of OT, Will a 6 fit in a 356? |
r_towle |
Sep 14 2008, 11:26 AM
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If I asked this on the 356registry, It would get all political and all the 356 guys would not ever answer the question...just trash the idea.
So, its a simple question... Does a flat six fit in a 356? No rear deck lid modification...exterior mods that is.. It can loose the rain tray if needed. Just wondering if anyone has seen on and could provide a link or two that shows a few pics of a flat 6 motor in a 356. Thanx Rich |
scotty b |
Sep 14 2008, 11:30 AM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
Simple answer No, it has been done but there is siginificant metal mods needed. I would assume you're talking about a 915 trans as well ?? Even MORE involved metal work. Not a task for the fiant of fart. interior engine bay structure needs to be modded, if a 915 trans is used most all of the underside neds to be re-arranged. Best way is to get a 911 rear clip, that way everything is already in place for the 911 parts
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Dave_Darling |
Sep 14 2008, 12:47 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,985 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
The green one looked pretty stock from the outside. From the inside, it was a whole 'nother story. That Six was really crammed into the engine bay, even though there had been surgery to the front and sides of the bay.
--DD |
sixerdon |
Sep 14 2008, 02:56 PM
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Be careful Rich. The 356 Registry is watching you.
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LarryR |
Sep 14 2008, 03:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 929 Joined: 15-March 07 From: E. Bay Area, N. California Member No.: 7,604 |
Well yes but better be a master fabricator or bring your check book :
http://www.patrickmotorsports.com/project/23/ 3.6 vram and 915 into a 356. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
sww914 |
Sep 14 2008, 03:20 PM
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I've done one. We took the torsion bar tube out of a 911 and added the whole 911 rear suspension, engine, and 901 trans. We put a roll bar and tied the rear shock pickups into the roll bar. We had to cut some sheet metal out of the firewall and used some 911 pieces to fill in the blanks. It's about twice as hard as putting a 6 in a Vanagon. Not for the faint of heart or those lacking a mig and a plasma.
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r_towle |
Sep 14 2008, 03:25 PM
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Be careful Rich. The 356 Registry is watching you. Don I dont care if the 356registry is watching. Its the attitude I dont want to hear. A bunch of people that only write checks to get things done... I dont even log into it anymore. Its a different generation and a different set of goals in life. I would never put my heart and soul into a car so I can look at it in the garage. I want to build a reliable, fuel injected, modern, insulated, AC equipped car that happens to look like a 356... I may go for a subaru conversion, but a 911 motor is not out of the question. Watch all you want. rich |
r_towle |
Sep 14 2008, 03:28 PM
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URY914 |
Sep 14 2008, 03:33 PM
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I built the lightest 914 in the history of mankind. Group: Members Posts: 120,578 Joined: 3-February 03 From: Jacksonville, FL Member No.: 222 Region Association: None |
Everything has been done before...
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KaptKaos |
Sep 14 2008, 05:09 PM
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Family Group: Members Posts: 4,009 Joined: 23-April 03 From: Near Wausau Member No.: 607 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Years ago, VW&P mag had an article on a 356 Cabrio with a 3.2 and chrome cookies. IIRC they said it was a butt load of fab work.
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Dave_Darling |
Sep 14 2008, 06:30 PM
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914 Idiot Group: Members Posts: 14,985 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Silicon Valley / Kailua-Kona Member No.: 121 Region Association: Northern California |
What green one??? There is or was a green 356 locally (SF Bay Area) that had a 911 engine wedged into it. I've seen it at a couple of concours though the years. I may have a few hardcopy pics around somewhere; I don't think I have any digital ones at all. I think it was a 356 C. --DD |
Cap'n Krusty |
Sep 14 2008, 07:55 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
I've done one, and the guys at TRE have done at least one. Not difficult if you can cut, measure, and weld. Harder to put the 5 speed in than the engine, and a 901 fits in without that much difficulty. I've done 2 of those. The Cap'n
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r_towle |
Sep 14 2008, 08:13 PM
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any underbody pics?
Did you move the tranny forwards? Do you have to in order to get the motor to fit under the deck lid??? I am ok with the tranny and IRS conversion...got all the parts I need and I will get a rear of a 912 for the tube. That is all cut out waiting the new tube... Rear seat is going to be completely removed for good. Its useless anyways... More curious if the motor fits or if I need to move the package forward a bit more, and if so....how much forward? Rich |
scotty b |
Sep 14 2008, 08:17 PM
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rust free you say ? Group: Members Posts: 16,375 Joined: 7-January 05 From: richmond, Va. Member No.: 3,419 Region Association: None |
any underbody pics? Did you move the tranny forwards? Do you have to in order to get the motor to fit under the deck lid??? I am ok with the tranny and IRS conversion...got all the parts I need and I will get a rear of a 912 for the tube. That is all cut out waiting the new tube... Rear seat is going to be completely removed for good. Its useless anyways... More curious if the motor fits or if I need to move the package forward a bit more, and if so....how much forward? Rich Everything needs to be moved forward. The tranny hump ( use the 911 metal)will be moved significantly forward so a back seat is pretty much nill. Sides of engine bay need to be reshaped, I believe the firewall will need to be cut out and moved forward as well |
Joe Bob |
Sep 14 2008, 09:06 PM
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Yeah...like I never did one.....
Frankensteatlth....2.2 "S" motor. The search button is yer friend. |
r_towle |
Sep 14 2008, 10:03 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States |
Yeah...like I never did one..... Frankensteatlth....2.2 "S" motor. The search button is yer friend. sounds like you used a stock tranny with a kennedy adapter (thanks for making me read ten damn threads to find out) So, do you have pics from underneath? If stock tranny, did it hit the deck lid? Rich |
Joe Bob |
Sep 14 2008, 10:20 PM
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Retired admin, banned a few times Group: Members Posts: 17,427 Joined: 24-December 02 From: Boulder CO Member No.: 5 Region Association: None |
Yeah...like I never did one..... Frankensteatlth....2.2 "S" motor. The search button is yer friend. sounds like you used a stock tranny with a kennedy adapter (thanks for making me read ten damn threads to find out) So, do you have pics from underneath? If stock tranny, did it hit the deck lid? Rich Ya have my phone number....call me, ya weenie..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bootyshake.gif) I doan give out ALL my secrets.....geez.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) |
iamchappy |
Sep 14 2008, 10:27 PM
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Anything is possible....
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KaptKaos |
Sep 14 2008, 10:30 PM
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Wasn't someone building 4 cylinder versions of the air cooled 6er? That might make a nice swap too.
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749142 |
Sep 14 2008, 10:40 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 254 Joined: 8-January 08 From: Bakersfield, Ca Member No.: 8,545 |
yea y dont you swap in a beefed up raby type4. it be light and you can get almost as much power with a type4 these days as a six, well some sixes
just my $.02 |
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