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> A different way to hook up 911 e-brakes, Another way to do the 911 parkbrake -merged threads
Wes V
post Oct 4 2008, 07:07 PM
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I think I've come up with a totaly new way to hook up 911 parking brakes. It involves making up longer hybrid cables.

It's not complex, doesn't cost tons, and is about as straight forward as possible.

It functions exactly as intended in the 911.

Here is a teaser photo;

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Here is a link to my write-up on how I did it (it's a preliminary write-up).

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Wes

(can somebody please find me the photo that I've seen on this site where somebody used a cable end block at the parking brake lever that had set screws)
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post Oct 5 2008, 07:06 PM
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This thread made me want to post this now. The problem I see (from experience) is the way the cable is routed in the other thread, you are going to melt it against the heat exchanger/header. It is just too close!!!


I came up with a different way to do the 911 park brake, using the stock 914 park brake cables.

First, buy some 1" conduit, and a conduit bender. Then bend the conduit until you have a 90 to 100 degree bend with a nice, gentle radius.


Weld the washer from the inboard end of the 911 park brake setup onto the end of the bent conduit. Drill a 1/8 inch hole in the outside of the tube, right at the end where the washer is welded. On the other end, cut 3 slots parallel with the end of the tube 1/16 inch from the end.

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Take the 911 park brake cables that you got with the brakes, and cut them off. Pull out the inside, and make sure that you leave the cable long enough that it will reach the end of the tube when the threaded end is pushed through the hole in the washer. Braise up the cable end that was cut to keep it from fraying.

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You can see the cutoff 911 park brake cable and the tubing in the background.

Then go to the hardware store and buy a couple of barrel nuts used for lawn mower cables. Measure the amount the rear end of the 914 park brake cable sticks out when it is disconnected from the handle and pulled all the way rearward. Drill out the clevis on the end of the 914 park brake cable so the barrel nut will go through it.

Put the barrel nut into the clevis on the end of the 914 park brake cable. Slip the braised end of the 911 park brake cable into the barrel nut. Tighten the barrel nut, then grind the barrel nut flush with the side of the clevis. Trim off the excess cable until you can make a straight cable out of the two joined cables.

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Put the now extended 914 park brake cable into the tube, and using the 1.8 inch hole in the side, push it through until you can pull the end out the center of the washer.

Put an E clip into the slots cut in the tube to hold it to the 914 park brake cable. Hook it up to the 911 park brakes on the back, and the handle on the front. Make sure the adjustment nuts are all the way back when you put the cables into the chassis on the handle ends.

Take the end of the tube and support it where the original park brake cable end goes using a 6x.10 bolt, 2 6mm fender washers, and a padded cable clamp. This allows the cable to flex to the side when you pull the park brake.

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You can see from the pictures that the cables never come near the heat exchangers, and the park brake works great on my car!

Adjustment:

Adjust the shoes per the 911 service manual. When your shoes are adjusted correctly, then use the adjustment nuts on the cables to adjust the handle height when the brake is pulled.



I can take additional pictures of the brake setup, or you can see it in person at the Rocket City Ramble. Bring your Cameras!





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post Oct 5 2008, 08:09 PM
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Clay;

The fact that what I did would place the sheathing close to the heat exchanger is a very valid consern!! My car is an on-going project and I don't know if it will be a problem at a latter date or not. (I'm planning an engine swap)

Most of the time that I post stuff, it's to get an idea out there. It seems to have worked due to a bunch of methods being brought up.

(I did think of making up the length of 1/2" stainless steel tube with a 90 degree bend, however the bender I have would have put too tight of a radius bend on it for what I was comfortable with)

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QUOTE(Wes V @ Oct 5 2008, 09:09 PM) *

Clay;

I'd have prefered that you just post this after the string I did. I'm not going to be offended.

The fact that what I did would place the sheathing close to the heat exchanger is a very valid consern!! My car is an on-going project and I don't know if it will be a problem at a latter date or not. (I'm planning an engine swap)

Most of the time that I post stuff, it's to get an idea out there. It seems to have worked due to a bunch of methods being brought up.

(I did think of making up the length of 1/2" stainless steel tube with a 90 degree bend, however the bender I have would have put too tight of a radius bend on it for what I was comfortable with)

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Ok.. I didn't want to hijack your thread. I can merge them for us.

My method is cheap, probably around 50 bucks all told.

I had a 911 park brake in my car since I got it running 3 years ago. I used custom cables at first, and I melted one on the heat exchanger. That is why I came up with this method. You, being a machinist, could probably do it better, but it works.

I know from looking at the cable radius yours is going to contact the heat exchanger/headers.

I need a stop for mine like you put in.


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Wes V   A different way to hook up 911 e-brakes   Oct 4 2008, 07:07 PM
okieflyr   Sweeeeet! :popcorn:   Oct 4 2008, 07:55 PM
Wilhelm   Nice write up. What are your ideas for the parki...   Oct 4 2008, 09:53 PM
Wilhelm   Nice write up. What are your ideas for the park...   Oct 4 2008, 10:38 PM
LarryR   Very nice! I am getting ready to to the 911 br...   Oct 4 2008, 10:09 PM
PRS914-6   Nice write up. Most of us have thought of the ide...   Oct 4 2008, 11:17 PM
Larry Hubby   Clever and resourceful, Wes. Looks good! Larr...   Oct 5 2008, 03:49 AM
PRS914-6   Another thought on your idea........I don't ha...   Oct 5 2008, 08:50 AM
Wes V   The issue with the bell-crank solution is that it ...   Oct 5 2008, 11:27 AM
Wilhelm   The issue with the bell-crank solution is that it...   Oct 5 2008, 11:52 AM
Richard Casto   The 928,944, 924 mechanism requires only a pull, ...   Oct 6 2008, 12:55 PM
andys   Another thought on your idea........I don't h...   Oct 6 2008, 10:57 AM
Wilhelm   [quote name='PRS914-6' post='1087728' date='...   Oct 6 2008, 08:25 PM
jj83118   I was going to post my 911 e-brake cable solution,...   Oct 5 2008, 03:13 PM
jj83118   Another shot from the inside.   Oct 5 2008, 03:16 PM
jj83118   Welded cable end.   Oct 5 2008, 03:17 PM
Wilhelm   Welded cable end. So when you cut this cable e...   Oct 5 2008, 04:50 PM
Wes V   Welded cable end. I like this! I never th...   Oct 5 2008, 06:17 PM
jj83118   A complete cable (still need to shorten the thread...   Oct 5 2008, 03:19 PM
sixnotfour   silver solder the way to go but crimping is way m...   Oct 5 2008, 04:54 PM
ClayPerrine   This thread made me want to post this now. The pr...   Oct 5 2008, 07:06 PM
Wes V   Clay; The fact that what I did would place the sh...   Oct 5 2008, 08:09 PM
ClayPerrine   Clay; I'd have prefered that you just post t...   Oct 5 2008, 08:42 PM
jj83118   I welded the crimped ends back on with a MIG welde...   Oct 5 2008, 09:32 PM
Richard Casto   Wes, Thanks for showing how you did this. I am s...   Oct 6 2008, 12:49 PM
Wes V   This is what AndyS is talking about when he commen...   Oct 6 2008, 01:12 PM
Richard Casto   Wes, Thats pretty cool. Basically its just like ...   Oct 6 2008, 01:47 PM
Wes V   Richard; In light of the fact you can figure out ...   Oct 6 2008, 02:03 PM
Richard Casto   I am an Electrical Engineer by training, but I sti...   Oct 6 2008, 03:43 PM
Wes V   If someone wants to send me the 924/944/928 parts...   Oct 6 2008, 05:15 PM
ClayPerrine   I actually looked at the 924/944 solution. The mou...   Oct 6 2008, 09:53 PM
Wilhelm   I actually looked at the 924/944 solution. The mo...   Oct 6 2008, 10:37 PM
ClayPerrine   I actually looked at the 924/944 solution. The m...   Oct 7 2008, 07:42 AM
Wes V   (I'm glad I started this sting) Here's a ...   Oct 7 2008, 11:03 AM
Wes V   I think it dawned on me why Clay said that the 944...   Oct 7 2008, 11:51 AM
jcd914   I think it dawned on me why Clay said that the 94...   Oct 7 2008, 12:56 PM
ClayPerrine   66-68 911 park brakes are the same as the later on...   Oct 7 2008, 01:26 PM
Wes V   I formally bow in humility to Clay Perrine! :w...   Oct 7 2008, 07:09 PM
craig downs   I've been working on this also for about two w...   Oct 7 2008, 11:55 PM
craig downs   Here a little what I've done You have to remov...   Oct 8 2008, 12:05 AM
craig downs   and   Oct 8 2008, 12:07 AM
Richard Casto   Craig, Excellent job! It looks like you are ...   Oct 8 2008, 02:55 PM
craig downs   911 shoe on the left and a 944 on the right it the...   Oct 8 2008, 12:28 AM
Richard Casto   911 shoe on the left and a 944 on the right it th...   Oct 8 2008, 03:08 PM
smdubovsky   Just about every porsche other than the 911/912 ...   Oct 8 2008, 09:39 AM
andys   Guys, Keep up the good work. This thread is getti...   Oct 8 2008, 11:12 AM
Richard Casto   Just spent a few minutes looking at PET for 924, 9...   Oct 8 2008, 02:51 PM
ClayPerrine   I have had sitting side by side in front of me a 9...   Oct 8 2008, 03:09 PM
craig downs   I'm totally aware of how the backing plate is ...   Oct 8 2008, 09:04 PM
Wes V   Craig; On the prior page, jcd914 posted a photo s...   Oct 9 2008, 09:31 AM
Wes V   Craig; Here is some more "food for thought...   Oct 9 2008, 12:51 PM
ClayPerrine   In the middle of the day today a stray thought abo...   Oct 9 2008, 02:05 PM
Eric_Shea   Not sure if that's accurate. I believe they...   Oct 9 2008, 02:28 PM
ClayPerrine   Not sure if that's accurate. I believe the...   Oct 9 2008, 03:09 PM
Eric_Shea   Wait... rethinking. You're right. The spreade...   Oct 9 2008, 02:34 PM
ClayPerrine   Wait... rethinking. You're right. The spread...   Oct 9 2008, 03:11 PM
Richard Casto   I think another way to say what Eric is saying is....   Oct 9 2008, 03:16 PM
Wes V   I agree with what Richard is saying. Think of the...   Oct 9 2008, 03:40 PM
smdubovsky   If you yank on the parking brake while the car is...   Oct 9 2008, 03:52 PM
PRS914-6   Guys, you have to have a firm stop and the shoes h...   Oct 9 2008, 03:58 PM
Eric_Shea   I almost had it :lol3: The "stop" preve...   Oct 9 2008, 06:49 PM
craig downs   Lots of good information this is a fun thread and ...   Oct 10 2008, 12:53 AM
Wes V   Lots of good information this is a fun thread and...   Oct 10 2008, 09:02 AM
craig downs   Checking cable line up. Going to cut and realign c...   Oct 10 2008, 01:00 AM
craig downs   In the relaxed position In the pulled positio...   Oct 10 2008, 01:09 AM
craig downs   Mocking up a shoe stop I'll make them up this ...   Oct 10 2008, 01:17 AM
Wes V   The stop will have to have support blocks welded ...   Oct 10 2008, 09:50 AM
Richard Casto   The stop will have to have support blocks welded...   Oct 10 2008, 12:47 PM
Richard Casto   Mocking up a shoe stop I'll make them up this...   Oct 10 2008, 12:50 PM
craig downs   This show why the spreaders need rear support as y...   Oct 10 2008, 01:22 AM
Wes V   Craig; Here is an idea for you to think about; M...   Oct 10 2008, 09:23 AM
Phoenix-MN   "Are you planning on installing a "retur...   Oct 10 2008, 09:57 AM
Richard Casto   Continuing to think out loud here. I promise this...   Oct 10 2008, 01:01 PM
Wes V   Richard; I think your "drawn" diagram i...   Oct 10 2008, 01:27 PM
smdubovsky   Heres a pic of an early steel 911 arm. The late a...   Oct 10 2008, 04:05 PM
craig downs   Richard figured it out what I was trying to explai...   Oct 10 2008, 07:04 PM
Steve   I would love to do this to my car. Does anyone kn...   Jan 3 2009, 12:23 PM
burton73   Steve, You are still going to need a set of rear ...   Jan 3 2009, 06:36 PM
Steve   Steve, You are still going to need a set of rear...   Jan 4 2009, 07:57 PM
charliew   It looks to me that the aluminum arm style straigh...   Jan 4 2009, 05:27 PM
charliew   I bought some 911 rear brakes and aluminum arms on...   Jan 5 2009, 11:34 AM
Steve   I bought these parts from Parts Heaven. They do n...   Feb 21 2009, 11:13 PM
Steve   Here's the one with the bolt holes.   Feb 21 2009, 11:14 PM
craig downs   You happen to get a later year e-bake assembly tha...   Feb 22 2009, 01:42 AM
Steve   You happen to get a later year e-bake assembly th...   Feb 23 2009, 09:03 AM
jaxdream   Hi guys , I too have been wanting a 911 ebrake set...   Feb 22 2009, 11:34 AM
PRS914-6   Actually, if you have good cables the two springs ...   Feb 22 2009, 12:06 PM
scotty b   I think I still have a complete 86 944 rear suspen...   Feb 22 2009, 12:19 PM
charliew   The later angle pull spreaders are to me the best ...   Feb 22 2009, 01:24 PM
Steve   I finally put mine together and tested it out at W...   Jul 29 2009, 06:40 PM
Steve   Here's a picture of the fabbed up cable. You ...   Jul 29 2009, 06:45 PM
Steve   Here's another picture of the copper pipe befo...   Jul 29 2009, 07:14 PM


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