 Bilstien Struts for Creamsicle, Not listed on COA |
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| 914Sixer |
 Dec 8 2008, 08:28 AM
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914 Guru  Group: Members Posts: 8,870 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region 
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Where the Bilstien struts stock on the LE? There seems to questions in my mind. On Jeff's info on the Rennlist it says they came with them? One car is known to have had Koni's. Should they be listed on the COA.
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| tod914 |
Dec 8 2008, 10:28 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
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| 914werke |
Dec 8 2008, 06:59 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,027 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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I cant be positive but my Creamcicle came w/ Boge strut housings and Bil. inserts and Bilstien Green dust covers OE.
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| davep |
Dec 8 2008, 07:24 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,137 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada  |
My LE has the green Bilstein struts on the front, but yellow on the rear. The second set of green struts I got also came with yellow rear shocks. George Hussey says the green struts were matched with green rear shocks when delivered by the factory. I suspect that my car had the front struts replaced. I do not think that the LE would have the Bilstein's as standard equipment.
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| JeffBowlsby |
Dec 9 2008, 09:52 AM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,485 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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Mark, I am not 100% positive on the Bilstein shocks being stock on all LE cars, at least not all LE cars.
One important distinction is whether or not we are talking about Bistein front housings or just Bil inserts. The rears of course either are Bils or not. If we are talking about front Bil housings, that is one thing, if it is only Bil inserts in Boge housings, that is different. Some sources of info I have on the issue state that Bilsteins were part of the LE package, not all sources mention it. You note that the COAs do not indicate it, I think that may be a clue...Bilsteins would be an important item to a buyer and it would have made sense for the factory to promote it and list them on the COA or even the window stickers...they did not. I think of the similar issue of several sources presenting the 'grasshopper' color scheme, which has proven to be not true, as confirmed by Porsche themselves. I think it is possible that the Bilsteins on all LEs may be a similar condition...marketing hype or early media speculation....some LEs may have had them, others almost certainly did not, I don't think it was universal. Maybe it is as simple as standard (Boge) front housings, with Bilstein inserts on the front...which would explain alot. If the Bilstein housings came on all LEs across the board...most if not all LE cars today would still have them and that is not what I have observed. I doubt that most owners would go to the trouble to switch out the front housings, especially not a switch from the Bils to Boge, would make no sense. I should update the LE website on this issue. Of the several LE cars I believe to be original cars with original equipment, most have Boge front strut housings. A few LE cars that I know of, including my Bumblebee have black front struts with a green top cover...I do not recall seeing a makers mark on them...and I have not opened them up to verify the insert. The rears on my BB are definitely green Bilsteins. I have yet to see a set of all green Bilstein front strut housings on an LE and I usually look...Although I believe you Dave... Attached thumbnail(s)  
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| tod914 |
Dec 9 2008, 12:13 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
Did the cars with the green housings have sway bars front and rear? And, were the boge equipted cars non sway bars on the LE's you've seen?
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| JeffBowlsby |
Dec 9 2008, 12:15 PM
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914 Wiring Harnesses Group: Members Posts: 8,485 Joined: 7-January 03 From: San Ramon CA Member No.: 104 Region Association: None
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All LEs I have seen have sway bars F&R, without variance. DavePs car is the only one I have heard of with the full Green Bil strut housings.
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| Johny Blackstain |
Dec 9 2008, 01:51 PM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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All LE's have factory swaybars as standard equipment. I also heard LE's came w/ Bilsteins as standard equipment, unless otherwise special ordered. Nothing on my COA regarding suspension. My LE is sporting Konis now, since Pop bought the Konis years ago as replacements for the car, when they went on sale @ "electrodyne". I know Pop did'nt special order the shocks when he bought the car, so what was there originally is unknown to me; but it had to be either Bilsteins or Boges because I don't remember anything being bright/flashy under the car.
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| 914Sixer |
Dec 9 2008, 05:43 PM
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914 Guru Group: Members Posts: 8,870 Joined: 17-January 05 From: San Angelo Texas Member No.: 3,457 Region Association: Southwest Region
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Good info. The Bilstien inserts I have for Boge struts are yellow and have yellow tops. The rears are also yellow. No green any where. I am still going to find a set of front Bils and use them if possible.
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| davep |
Dec 9 2008, 07:18 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,137 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
Al, please get a good photo of that ink-stamp on the trailing arm. Can you measure it up also please. Anyone else have a good ink-stamp?
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| 914werke |
Dec 9 2008, 09:18 PM
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"I got blisters on me fingers" Group: Members Posts: 10,027 Joined: 22-March 03 From: USofA Member No.: 453 Region Association: Pacific Northwest
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QUOTE(davep @ Dec 9 2008, 05:18 PM)  Al, please get a good photo of that ink-stamp on the trailing arm. Can you measure it up also please. Anyone else have a good ink-stamp? Yes. What is the significance? |
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| Johny Blackstain |
Dec 9 2008, 10:35 PM
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Walnut Elite Stratocaster player Group: Members Posts: 3,434 Joined: 5-December 06 From: The Shenandoah River Member No.: 7,318 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region
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QUOTE(davep @ Dec 9 2008, 08:18 PM) Al, please get a good photo of that ink-stamp on the trailing arm. Can you measure it up also please. Anyone else have a good ink-stamp? Dave- here's a better photo of the stamp. I'm "guessing" 2x2 cm. Attached image(s) 
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| davep |
Dec 10 2008, 06:11 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,137 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
QUOTE(rdauenhauer @ Dec 9 2008, 07:18 PM) Yes. What is the significance? I don't know for sure, however a lot of pieces were marked with stamps, like the engine tin for instance. It would be interesting to know what marks were used and where they are found. |
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| tod914 |
Dec 11 2008, 12:10 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
I have those on mine as well. I'll post some shots. The front calipers have a white mark on them too. Car has
the original boge's on it which are grey. |
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| jonferns |
Dec 11 2008, 09:15 PM
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I have a good ink stamp on my '74 2.0, I'll look for a pic.
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| davep |
Dec 12 2008, 08:04 PM
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914 Historian Group: Benefactors Posts: 5,137 Joined: 13-October 03 From: Burford, ON, N0E 1A0 Member No.: 1,244 Region Association: Canada |
See if all of you can take some detailed pictures, and measurements. It would be most useful to be able to duplicate the stamps.
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| tod914 |
Dec 13 2008, 11:29 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,755 Joined: 19-January 03 From: Lincoln Park, NJ Member No.: 170 |
QUOTE(davep @ Dec 12 2008, 09:04 PM) See if all of you can take some detailed pictures, and measurements. It would be most useful to be able to duplicate the stamps. Dave when I have time, hopefull end of next week, I'll pull a photo of it into photoshop create a mask, & clean it up so it can be used as a templet. Also with measurements and a placement index. |
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| IronHillRestorations |
Dec 13 2008, 04:22 PM
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I. I. R. C. Group: Members Posts: 6,714 Joined: 18-March 03 From: West TN Member No.: 439 Region Association: None
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Green Bilstein front struts
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