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What no talk of the new VW roadster(914), photos all over the internet todAy. |
turboman808 |
Jan 12 2009, 04:59 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,718 Joined: 31-January 06 From: North Jersey Member No.: 5,505 Region Association: North East States |
The car looks really good. The interior looks amazing. The 180hp diesel motor is not very impressive. Not to mention the price of diesel is about twice the price of regular gas and it's not something I would buy. I could really care less about fuel economy. I only drove 7000 miles last year.
Wether they keep the diesel or go with gas I still want 100 more hp and torque and then I will lay down the cash. (IMG:http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2009/01/medium_3190979125_8c9cee71f1_o.jpg) (IMG:http://www.pistonheads.com/pics/news/19215/VW_BlueSport_concept-L.jpg) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy8Sya4tv0A...player_embedded http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/VWBluesportPress/ Now what has really got my interest is it seems the entire Jaguar lineup will have models capable of 200mph. But I am getting off topic. (IMG:http://jalopnik.com/assets/images/gallery/12/2009/01/medium_3191037297_d4a7247079_o.jpg) |
gary gartner |
Jan 12 2009, 05:28 PM
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i know more than a newbie---way less than a guru Group: Members Posts: 239 Joined: 16-December 04 From: Valencia, Ca Member No.: 3,294 Region Association: Southern California |
Zimms posted something yesterday--- slipped to page 2 already Gary (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beer3.gif) |
SirAndy |
Jan 12 2009, 05:31 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,640 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
The 180hp diesel motor is not very impressive. Not to mention the price of diesel is about twice the price of regular gas and it's not something I would buy. Looks like they target the European market where diesel is still cheaper than gasoline. That's also why it's only 1.8L, because that's the top of the tax bracket. Above 1.8L, you pay through your nose on taxes ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Andy |
veltror |
Jan 12 2009, 05:50 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 928 Joined: 27-April 08 From: Potters Bar Herts UK Member No.: 8,978 Region Association: None |
Partly true but Diesel is more expensive then petrol in the UK, and tax is all about emissions. Something else to kep pthe eco-psychos happy.
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Solo914 |
Jan 12 2009, 06:02 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 266 Joined: 6-March 06 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 5,678 Region Association: None |
Like the idea but 2600lbs? ugh
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ottox914 |
Jan 13 2009, 09:00 AM
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The glory that once was. Group: Members Posts: 1,302 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Mahtomedi, MN Member No.: 1,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
C'mon guys, while its not a 1900# 914, its not all THAT bad... 0-60 in 6.2, highway mileage at 40-50 mpg, 140 mph top end, effective heat and a/c, 170+hp and 200+ TQ, did our 914's do all that back in the day? In todays world, I'd say thats pretty good, actually. What else is going to go that quickly, that far, or that fast, and still be a rag top? I'm going to wait to see it and judge it on its own merits, rather than hold it to a standard it was not built to, but one I'd have liked to have seen. I think we'd all like a 2000# car with 300 hp and 50 mpg selling for 15K, but is that really going to happen in todays crash worthy tail pipe sniff'n world?
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So.Cal.914 |
Jan 13 2009, 09:19 AM
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"...And it has a front trunk too." Group: Members Posts: 6,588 Joined: 15-February 04 From: Low Desert, CA./ Hills of N.J. Member No.: 1,658 Region Association: None |
Gasoline = $178.4
Diesel fuel= #231.4 Not exactly double, my 300 cd turbodiesel, if I take it easy 40 + mpg. 25 on the teener. I have heard of people getting 800,000 to 1,000,000 miles on the engine. The correct turbo on that car should produce ton's of ponys. I would like to see underneath it. I would like to drive it. |
johannes |
Jan 13 2009, 09:43 AM
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Club Porsche 914 France President Group: Members Posts: 3,084 Joined: 13-January 06 From: France Member No.: 5,409 Region Association: France |
Nice Honda ...
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So.Cal.914 |
Jan 13 2009, 09:47 AM
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"...And it has a front trunk too." Group: Members Posts: 6,588 Joined: 15-February 04 From: Low Desert, CA./ Hills of N.J. Member No.: 1,658 Region Association: None |
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Solo914 |
Jan 13 2009, 10:38 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 266 Joined: 6-March 06 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 5,678 Region Association: None |
C'mon guys, while its not a 1900# 914, its not all THAT bad... 0-60 in 6.2, highway mileage at 40-50 mpg, 140 mph top end, effective heat and a/c, 170+hp and 200+ TQ, did our 914's do all that back in the day? In todays world, I'd say thats pretty good, actually. What else is going to go that quickly, that far, or that fast, and still be a rag top? I'm going to wait to see it and judge it on its own merits, rather than hold it to a standard it was not built to, but one I'd have liked to have seen. I think we'd all like a 2000# car with 300 hp and 50 mpg selling for 15K, but is that really going to happen in todays crash worthy tail pipe sniff'n world? Alright alright, I am starting to come around but as usual I would be surprised if the production car was the same. I think that there are some definitely cool points to the car, one of them being the ability to chip it and turn up the boost. Can you imagine 220hp and 300lbs trq.......hmmm Kyle |
ottox914 |
Jan 13 2009, 10:51 AM
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The glory that once was. Group: Members Posts: 1,302 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Mahtomedi, MN Member No.: 1,438 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
C'mon guys, while its not a 1900# 914, its not all THAT bad... 0-60 in 6.2, highway mileage at 40-50 mpg, 140 mph top end, effective heat and a/c, 170+hp and 200+ TQ, did our 914's do all that back in the day? In todays world, I'd say thats pretty good, actually. What else is going to go that quickly, that far, or that fast, and still be a rag top? I'm going to wait to see it and judge it on its own merits, rather than hold it to a standard it was not built to, but one I'd have liked to have seen. I think we'd all like a 2000# car with 300 hp and 50 mpg selling for 15K, but is that really going to happen in todays crash worthy tail pipe sniff'n world? Alright alright, I am starting to come around but as usual I would be surprised if the production car was the same. I think that there are some definitely cool points to the car, one of them being the ability to chip it and turn up the boost. Can you imagine 220hp and 300lbs trq.......hmmm Kyle My point exactly. Lets see what we have to work with here. 220/300 would be good... |
VaccaRabite |
Jan 13 2009, 10:53 AM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,444 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Like the idea but 2600lbs? ugh kyle Stock 914s are well above 2000 pounds as well. A stock 76 weighs in around 2400, with about 1/2 the power of the new car. It is a bit of work to drop a 914 to under 1 ton, even an ealry one. These days, it is almost impossible to get a car with the creature comforts that buyers want and keep it light. Sure, delete the HVAC, audio, sound proofing, air bags and such and you can do it. Of course, the car would not sell, except to a small niche audience. Oh, and I don't think it would be road legal for a new car either... Oh, and the VW 1.8TDi is a KILLER engine. 45mpg all day long, and just chip it for another 30 or so HP. Yes, please. I'll take 2. gas prices are already back on the rise. Are our memories so short that we can't remember that we were paying $4 a gallon 2 months ago? Zach |
Solo914 |
Jan 13 2009, 10:59 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 266 Joined: 6-March 06 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 5,678 Region Association: None |
Like the idea but 2600lbs? ugh kyle Stock 914s are well above 2000 pounds as well. A stock 76 weighs in around 2400, with about 1/2 the power of the new car. It is a bit of work to drop a 914 to under 1 ton, even an ealry one. These days, it is almost impossible to get a car with the creature comforts that buyers want and keep it light. Sure, delete the HVAC, audio, sound proofing, air bags and such and you can do it. Of course, the car would not sell, except to a small niche audience. Oh, and I don't think it would be road legal for a new car either... Oh, and the VW 1.8TDi is a KILLER engine. 45mpg all day long, and just chip it for another 30 or so HP. Yes, please. I'll take 2. gas prices are already back on the rise. Are our memories so short that we can't remember that we were paying $4 a gallon 2 months ago? Zach Yeah.. the solstice weighs around 2600lbs too...Let's not forget that when gas prices were $4 a gallon, diesel was $5 a gallon but that wouldn't stop me if it really could get 35+ mpg. kyle |
So.Cal.914 |
Jan 13 2009, 11:13 AM
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"...And it has a front trunk too." Group: Members Posts: 6,588 Joined: 15-February 04 From: Low Desert, CA./ Hills of N.J. Member No.: 1,658 Region Association: None |
My 300 weighs about 3400 lbs and gets around 40+ mpg.
Tough part will be driving it economically. It looks way too fun. |
byndbad914 |
Jan 13 2009, 11:15 AM
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shoehorn and some butter - it fits Group: Members Posts: 1,547 Joined: 23-January 06 From: Broomfield, CO Member No.: 5,463 Region Association: None |
I saw this car yesterday and have to admit, I really like it. And I have pretty much not liked any concept cars in quite awhile from Europe. I like the diesel and agree some hot rodder tricks with larger turbo, better management, etc that little 1.8L might just be more impressive than you expect.
I see the talk of weight and folks coming around - keep in mind that if you took a 914 from any year, by the time you retrofit the car to meet today's crash standards and noise deadening (market req't), it would hurdle 2600 lbs in a flash. As another pointed out the late cars were 2400 lbs with crappy crash bumpers by today's standards, little crash protection (the whole front trunk is basically a crumple zone hahahha), noisy in the interior compartment, no AC unless it was added and it nearly killed the motor to run it, and less power to start. Diesel prices in this country v. gas actually concern me a bit cuz diesel users are getting price gouged in my opinion. Here in Denver area most stations have reg fuel for $1.40/gal and diesel almost $1 more! makes no sense when at the peak of prices the difference was 60 cents. However, one station by my house it 60 cents more per gallon on diesel for weeks now, making me think in general some gouging is happening... bullsh!t if you ask me. Sucks because high pressure direct injection turbo diesels are the way to go in the near term IMHO to reduce fuel dependency. Just by the fundamentals of engineering the diesel is more efficient than a gasoline engine with a throttle plate. edit - just went back and watched the YouTube clip - it doesn't sound that bad! Nothing like my dad's 1984 diesel Escort (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) And the overall look is growing on me even more. |
So.Cal.914 |
Jan 13 2009, 11:27 AM
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"...And it has a front trunk too." Group: Members Posts: 6,588 Joined: 15-February 04 From: Low Desert, CA./ Hills of N.J. Member No.: 1,658 Region Association: None |
QUOTE Sucks because high pressure direct injection turbo diesels are the way to go in the near term IMHO to reduce fuel dependency. Just by the fundamentals of engineering the diesel is more efficient than a gasoline engine with a throttle plate. Besides the fact that when the gas runs out us diesel owners will be driving by in our bio-fuel powered cars. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
PeeGreen 914 |
Jan 13 2009, 11:35 AM
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Just when you think you're done...wait, there is more..lol Group: Members Posts: 10,219 Joined: 21-September 06 From: Seattle, WA... actually Everett Member No.: 6,884 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
I saw this car yesterday and have to admit, I really like it. And I have pretty much not liked any concept cars in quite awhile from Europe. I like the diesel and agree some hot rodder tricks with larger turbo, better management, etc that little 1.8L might just be more impressive than you expect. I see the talk of weight and folks coming around - keep in mind that if you took a 914 from any year, by the time you retrofit the car to meet today's crash standards and noise deadening (market req't), it would hurdle 2600 lbs in a flash. As another pointed out the late cars were 2400 lbs with crappy crash bumpers by today's standards, little crash protection (the whole front trunk is basically a crumple zone hahahha), noisy in the interior compartment, no AC unless it was added and it nearly killed the motor to run it, and less power to start. Diesel prices in this country v. gas actually concern me a bit cuz diesel users are getting price gouged in my opinion. Here in Denver area most stations have reg fuel for $1.40/gal and diesel almost $1 more! makes no sense when at the peak of prices the difference was 60 cents. However, one station by my house it 60 cents more per gallon on diesel for weeks now, making me think in general some gouging is happening... bullsh!t if you ask me. Sucks because high pressure direct injection turbo diesels are the way to go in the near term IMHO to reduce fuel dependency. Just by the fundamentals of engineering the diesel is more efficient than a gasoline engine with a throttle plate. edit - just went back and watched the YouTube clip - it doesn't sound that bad! Nothing like my dad's 1984 diesel Escort (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) And the overall look is growing on me even more. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) I think this little car is going to be great. Plus it will be in a good price point so that what the other options are it will be much better. |
dw914er |
Jan 13 2009, 11:46 AM
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Planning Cities Group: Members Posts: 2,364 Joined: 1-March 08 From: Yucaipa, CA Member No.: 8,763 Region Association: Southern California |
i like the concept design alot
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monkeyboy |
Jan 13 2009, 12:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 808 Joined: 8-June 08 From: Los Angeles, Ca Member No.: 9,147 Region Association: None |
That motor it plenty. My mom just bought a 2009 TDi Jetta. Fun to drive, and around town 30+ MPG is easy to achieve. 80 on the freeway and still getting 40+ MPG.
Also the DSG transmission is a blast to drive. I don't even know if I would bother with a manual. The Jetta doesn't come with paddle shifters, but it would make this car perfect. |
iamchappy |
Jan 13 2009, 12:27 PM
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It all happens so fast! Group: Members Posts: 4,893 Joined: 5-November 03 From: minnetonka, mn Member No.: 1,315 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
I dont see any resemblance to a 914 in that car more beetle like.
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