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> Any tips on getting the Fs&^ing roll pin in, Pedal cluster designed by an arse
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post Jan 15 2009, 04:41 PM
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Is there some amazing way I can get the roll pin into the pedal clusetr? I have tried sticking it in the freezer for a few days but no joy or do I need a bigger (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)

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post Jan 15 2009, 04:44 PM
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Do you have a vice or a hydraulic press?

I tried (with some extra hands) putting the cluster in a vice, one site of the roll pin I put a socket and the other side a small bolt - then press it out.

Don't try to drill the thing out!
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post Jan 15 2009, 04:47 PM
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I have tapered one end of the roll pin with a grinder just enough to get it started.

Mr Shea I'm sure has a trick.
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post Jan 15 2009, 04:52 PM
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I used a vice as a makeshift press. I also warmed up the boss it goes into with a MAPP torch. Easy.

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post Jan 15 2009, 05:03 PM
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Its just a matter of getting it straight to start with...and use a punch, not a nail set...a punch the correct diameter of the pin or you peen over the end of the pin.
One end should have a slight taper...maybe both.
If not, get a grinder or hand file and taper the end a bit...just a slight camfer.

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post Jan 15 2009, 05:09 PM
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I'd like to ask why you can't replace the roll pin with a high grade metric bolt with the unthreaded shank running nearly the whole required length?

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post Jan 15 2009, 06:05 PM
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On Honda's, the shift linkage is attached at the transmission with a roll pin. It's commonly refered to as the "bitch pin" by anybody that has to deal with it.

Here is a write-up that I did showing how to do it without getting out the BFH:

"removing a bitch pin"

It may give you some ideas.

Andys; One of the ideas behind roll pins is that they are in tight contact on the sides. This prevents any movement between the two items. If you used a bolt and the sides were not tight, you would have to tighten the nut to the point that you crush the outer piece tight against the inner piece. Of course this requires that both items have pretty much the same inside diameter. I doubt it makes any difference on a brake pedal assembly!! I'd also guess that P uses a roll pin in this location due to cost for parts and labor time being less.

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post Jan 15 2009, 06:33 PM
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Right , I 'll give this another go tomorrow. thanks for the advice.

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post Jan 15 2009, 08:26 PM
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Vise works. Press works slightly better but it's hard to position.
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post Jan 15 2009, 08:49 PM
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When I rebuild my cluster, I asked the same question. The answer was "BFH"

Worked for me.

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post Jan 16 2009, 01:43 AM
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BFH to get the roll pin in?
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post Jan 16 2009, 10:37 AM
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QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Jan 15 2009, 11:43 PM) *

BFH to get the roll pin in?


Yep. A few dozen taps and it scooted right in.

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post Jan 16 2009, 12:19 PM
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Check the diameter of the roll pin. Maybe they put the wrong size in your kit?? I've never had one that was that difficult to install.
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post Jan 16 2009, 12:34 PM
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Mine was horrible to install... I only got it about 90% of the way in.
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post Jan 16 2009, 01:39 PM
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I bent the handle on my vice trying to get that sucker installed. I ended up giving the whole thing to a buddy who works at a machine shop to have him press it in.

Find a machine shop and have them do it. It will be a quick and easy job for them and save you hours of frustration.
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post Jan 17 2009, 11:39 AM
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I have a special tool that fits over the end of the roll pin for the installation. I will get a picture this afternoon.
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post Jan 18 2009, 02:18 PM
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Whoever "designed " the pedal cluster is an idiot. I spent four hours trying to get the roll pin and broke the vice. Arghhhhhhhhhh


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post Jan 18 2009, 02:55 PM
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I'm going to guess again the roll pin is the wrong size. I've rebuilt at least a dozen pedal clusters and have yet to break my vise (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)
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post Jan 18 2009, 03:02 PM
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Musta been a POS (what else) Harbor freight vise. I usually use a hammer, but occasionally a vise. never a problem. As for a bolt, you'd need a barely slip fit shaft, with a minimal head and almost no threads sticking out the other side. There has to be clearance for the shaft to rotate ......... The Cap'n
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post Jan 18 2009, 03:39 PM
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QUOTE(veltror @ Jan 18 2009, 12:18 PM) *

the roll pin broke the vice


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