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| corvette6698512 |
 Mar 8 2009, 12:27 PM
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Member  Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 8-March 09 From: Tumwater, WA Member No.: 10,144 Region Association: None  |
I am trading my jeep for a '74 914. Its in rough condition, but i noticed there is still a lot of good metal on it. The battery tray is good, the firewall is good, and the body seems pretty solid despite the small rust holes is has is a few places.
On the test drive, it broke down. One problem i found was when going from a start, it almost seemed like it bogged down a lot more then even my 40 horse bug. Then one time, it just decided to not work, and die. We got it off the road, and put some gas in it, but that wasn't the problem. The other guy went back there, and decided to take off a plugged vacuum line that was on the intake manifold to plug up the hole. It started right up, and i drove it back. He said something about the shop he took it to wiring up the fuel pump directly to the battery (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) My questions are, How can i fix this problem, and what are the other general maintenance procedures that go into these engines? It has the 1.8 engine. Like i said earlier, i am also into vw bugs, so i know the vw type 1 engine pretty good, but i don't know a FI type 4. Thanks! Chris |
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| messix |
Mar 8 2009, 01:40 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
the f/i on the 1.8 should be a L-jet. it's pretty simple. if you dont have a haynes manual get one. it has most all the vac. and wiring schematics.
wiring the fuel pump to the battery is a no no, it might be a problem with the dual relay that is mounted on the battery tray mount. maintenace is oil change and normal old car stuff :plugs wires cap rotor points. then there is all the worn out replacement stuff that comes up. parts can be found many places, a local vw shop that has type 4 stuff can help with some of it, pelican parts is one vender that i have used also. and then there is all ways the local guys that have parts stashs that are a good resource as well as the cassified section here. |
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| southernmost914 |
Mar 8 2009, 01:44 PM
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KEY WEST/HAVANA Tunnel Authority Group: Members Posts: 338 Joined: 16-October 07 From: Key West/ St. Augie, Fl USA Member No.: 8,234 Region Association: South East States 
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| SirAndy |
Mar 8 2009, 01:46 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,637 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
What he ^^^ said ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)
I know nothing about L-Jet, so hopefully others will have some wisdom to share ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy PS: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
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| corvette6698512 |
Mar 8 2009, 01:56 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 8-March 09 From: Tumwater, WA Member No.: 10,144 Region Association: None |
Thanks. I will look around for a haynes manual for it then. I also have a great vw book that has a few things about vw bus engines. Anyone know if they are similar fuel injection setups? Thanks for the welcome also. Im sure i will have plenty of questions as i tear into this thing, but i'll try to keep from being annoying.
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| GeorgeRud |
Mar 8 2009, 02:16 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 3,725 Joined: 27-July 05 From: Chicagoland Member No.: 4,482 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
The fuel injection system is an early, analog computer controlled, air flow sensing system. In retrospec, they are really not all that complicated, but they are sensitive to vacuum leaks. Check that your connections are tight and not leaking, that your oil filler cap is on tight, and that the ground connections are clean and making good contact. The controllers don't really give out very often, so a good cleanup is often all that's needed. Also, if the car has sat for a long time, the old fuel can be a problem.
I'd consider getting some of the information booklets that Auto Atlanta in Marietta, Georgia has available, as that can also help with troubleshooting fuel injection problems. There were two different types of fuel injection used on the 914s, your's is the L (for Luft/airflow) system instead of the D (for Druck/air pressure) system. |
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| corvette6698512 |
Mar 8 2009, 04:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 8-March 09 From: Tumwater, WA Member No.: 10,144 Region Association: None |
Just to throw it out there, i also have a set of type 4 manifolds, for a set of dual idf's or drla's. I have a set of 36drla's, 45 drla's, and 44 idf's. I would rather try to get the FI to work though before thinking about carbs.
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| messix |
Mar 8 2009, 07:16 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(corvette6698512 @ Mar 8 2009, 03:30 PM)  Just to throw it out there, i also have a set of type 4 manifolds, for a set of dual idf's or drla's. I have a set of 36drla's, 45 drla's, and 44 idf's. I would rather try to get the FI to work though before thinking about carbs. the stock fi is the way to go on a stock engine. you wouldn't gain any thing from carbs with the stock cam. |
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| corvette6698512 |
Mar 9 2009, 08:53 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 8-March 09 From: Tumwater, WA Member No.: 10,144 Region Association: None |
So i got the 914, and after a bit of driving, i'v decided timing is off, and something is wrong with the injection. First off, how do you set the timing on these things? Second, what might cause it to have a stumble below 2000 rpm? it runs fine above that, but it stumbles a bit below that. Im also missing the trunk latch(where can i get one?) and also the tranny mounts.Thanks
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| messix |
Mar 9 2009, 09:09 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
QUOTE(corvette6698512 @ Mar 9 2009, 07:53 PM) So i got the 914, and after a bit of driving, i'v decided timing is off, and something is wrong with the injection. First off, how do you set the timing on these things? Second, what might cause it to have a stumble below 2000 rpm? it runs fine above that, but it stumbles a bit below that. Im also missing the trunk latch(where can i get one?) and also the tranny mounts.Thanks check the points or just relpace and time it. the screww in plug on the fan housing is where the timing marks are .... get a haynes. and look here http://www.pelicanparts.com/techarticles/9.../914_timing.htm lots of tech articles writen by some of the guys from here. |
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| messix |
Mar 9 2009, 09:12 PM
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AKA "CLUTCH KILLER"! Group: Members Posts: 6,995 Joined: 14-April 05 From: between shit kickers and pinky lifters/ puget sound wa.north of Seattle south of Canada Member No.: 3,931 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
for the truck latch contact this guy with a p/m [private message] http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=88677
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| corvette6698512 |
Mar 9 2009, 09:21 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 8-March 09 From: Tumwater, WA Member No.: 10,144 Region Association: None |
Thanks for the info (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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| corvette6698512 |
Mar 9 2009, 10:21 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 8-March 09 From: Tumwater, WA Member No.: 10,144 Region Association: None |
So i diagnosed the low rpm problem, and i figured out its gettign way too much fuel. It barely idles, and if you try to give it gas, it either kills it, or bogs it down like crazy. Its flooding out. How can i fix this? The timing change i did made a big difference in the response, but its still bogging down, and running real rich.
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| SirAndy |
Mar 9 2009, 10:32 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,637 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(corvette6698512 @ Mar 9 2009, 08:21 PM) but its still bogging down, and running real rich. Make sure your CHT is tight in it's socket and the wire coming from it is not cracked. Do you own a multimeter? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy |
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| McMark |
Mar 9 2009, 10:33 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
Best thing, in my opinion, to do with a troublesome stock motor is check everything. It's time to start learning, but if you take it a step at a time it's not too bad. Check the timing, check the valve adjustment, and check all of the vacuum connections (very important on LJet). Start there and don't ASSUME ANYTHING and don't rely on DAPO information/choices (D___A___ Previous Owner). Confirm EVERYTHING. It's a lot of work now, but will pay off big time in not chasing problem after problem. Deal with everything now and then enjoy it.
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| SirAndy |
Mar 9 2009, 10:34 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,637 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Mar 9 2009, 08:32 PM) QUOTE(corvette6698512 @ Mar 9 2009, 08:21 PM) but its still bogging down, and running real rich. Make sure your CHT is tight in it's socket and the wire coming from it is not cracked. Do you own a multimeter? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) Andy Wait, does L-Jet even use a CHT? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Andy |
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| Jeffs9146 |
Mar 9 2009, 10:39 PM
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Ski Bum Group: Members Posts: 4,062 Joined: 10-January 03 From: Discovery Bay, Ca Member No.: 128 |
Never mind!
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| corvette6698512 |
Mar 9 2009, 10:53 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 8-March 09 From: Tumwater, WA Member No.: 10,144 Region Association: None |
Thats what i want to learn. Like i said, im also into vw bugs, and they are very similar engines, but its stuff like vacuum lines i dont know about. There is two vacuum lines on the intake manifold that are blocked off. Im guessing they go somewhere. One is right but the throttle body, and the other is just behind the manifold where it branches off into the tubes for the different ports. Sorry for my ignorance, but they are much more complicated then i'm used to. Is CHT cylinder head temp? I dont think the guage works right now. I'll let you know Thanks for all the help guys!
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| corvette6698512 |
Mar 9 2009, 11:35 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 50 Joined: 8-March 09 From: Tumwater, WA Member No.: 10,144 Region Association: None |
Using a vacuum diagram i found, i figured out, the distributor used, is not the correct one(though i have the correct one in the shop). There is no line going to the back of the vacuum canister. Another thing i found is the line going to the fuel pressure regulator is not there. I will see if i can find some vacuum line, and hook it up. Also, what is the decel valve? And how about the EGR valve?
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| McMark |
Mar 9 2009, 11:55 PM
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914 Freak! Group: Retired Admin Posts: 20,179 Joined: 13-March 03 From: Grand Rapids, MI Member No.: 419 Region Association: None |
I don't have any LJet pictures, but if you take pictures and post them we can point out what parts are what.
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