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Front Oil Cooler Location, Inside or Outside? |
MikeSpraggi |
Apr 21 2009, 11:41 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 781 Joined: 7-February 05 From: Silver Spring, Md Member No.: 3,570 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Those of you running front oil coolers, did you mount them inside or outside of the front trunk? What type of thermostat are you using? Any photos of your setup? Thanks.
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jt914-6 |
Apr 22 2009, 05:27 AM
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Driving & working on teeners 41 years Group: Members Posts: 1,786 Joined: 3-May 08 From: Bryant, Arkansas Member No.: 9,003 Region Association: South East States |
I'm using an Earl's oil cooler. #26012, 60 row, 7 x 19" mounted inside. Trouman thermostat because it used the same internals as the Porsche engine so parts are avaliable for repair.
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jt914-6 |
Apr 22 2009, 07:22 AM
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Driving & working on teeners 41 years Group: Members Posts: 1,786 Joined: 3-May 08 From: Bryant, Arkansas Member No.: 9,003 Region Association: South East States |
A better pic of the thermostat.....
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SirAndy |
Apr 22 2009, 10:33 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,638 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
McMark and i made a box to fit the cooler inside the trunk. The lines run along the passanger long on the inside and the thermostat was sandwiched in a box in the rear firewall, close to the motor.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...4700&st=180 Right now, the air exits through the two large holes in the trunk floor, but the plan is to build a shroud and have it exit out the top through the hood. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Andy (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1177644949.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1177645001.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1177645013.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1177645175.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1175806054.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1175806091.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1182813892.jpg) (IMG:http://www.914world.com/bbs2/uploads/post-179-1182816483.jpg) |
number6 |
Apr 22 2009, 12:57 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 352 Joined: 14-September 08 From: portland, or Member No.: 9,546 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Is anyone running a setup like pictured below (from old article of a supercharged 4-cyl that's been posted here before)? It would be nice to not have to cut up the front.
Cooler would have to be on the smaller side, I'm guessing... It's a bit more exposed to debris... And I'm wondering if there would be sufficient airflow angled and tucked like that? Attached image(s) |
jmill |
Apr 22 2009, 01:18 PM
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Green Hornet Group: Members Posts: 2,449 Joined: 9-May 08 From: Racine, Wisconsin Member No.: 9,038 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
That location isn't the greatest. You scrub up on a curb and oil goes everywhere. BTDT. If you don't figure it out fast enough you can kiss your engine goodbye.
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Heeltoe914 |
Apr 22 2009, 02:11 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,135 Joined: 31-January 06 From: Tujunga Calif, Member No.: 5,506 |
heres the one in my 6 but even a four I think up front is the best. In my car air exits out the wheel wells. Works great.
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VaccaRabite |
Apr 22 2009, 02:40 PM
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En Garde! Group: Admin Posts: 13,444 Joined: 15-December 03 From: Dallastown, PA Member No.: 1,435 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I have neen a picture of a vinatge racer with the oil cooler bolted to the outside of the car, under the front bumper. I think that Andy had it.
Functional, but it looks way better in the front trunk. Zach |
SirAndy |
Apr 22 2009, 03:26 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,638 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
I have neen a picture of a vinatge racer with the oil cooler bolted to the outside of the car, under the front bumper. I think that Andy had it. Ayupp, Hans Christian Jürgensen in his GT, now owned by Nicke Nilsson, a fellow World Member from Sweden ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/driving.gif) Andy Attached image(s) |
burton73 |
Apr 22 2009, 04:54 PM
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burton73 Group: Members Posts: 3,524 Joined: 2-January 07 From: Los Angeles Member No.: 7,414 Region Association: Southern California |
This is the one done in #41 by Troutman and Barnes shop and it runs a Troutman early 70s thermostat with the Troutman name in the casting.
The welding work and bending of the metal is a piece of art in the curves for the cooler area. The top is metal closing off the venting to the back of the bottom of the floor. I may screen it on the bottom or leave it like a 916. It has room for a space saver and I have built a bracket to hold it to the wall in front of the gas tank. Bob |
pete-stevers |
Apr 22 2009, 05:46 PM
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saved from fire! Group: Members Posts: 2,641 Joined: 10-October 04 From: Abbotsford,BC, Canada Member No.: 2,914 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
slick looking set up andy!
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carr914 |
Apr 22 2009, 06:00 PM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,648 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
This one looks to be on the outside
T.C. |
rfuerst911sc |
Apr 22 2009, 07:05 PM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 2,158 Joined: 4-May 06 From: Dahlonega , Georgia Member No.: 5,980 Region Association: South East States |
The picture that TC posted is what I am going to copy on my GT clone. I must be in the minority but I want to use the front trunk as a trunk (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) . To each his own there is no right or wrong.
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MikeSpraggi |
Apr 22 2009, 07:20 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 781 Joined: 7-February 05 From: Silver Spring, Md Member No.: 3,570 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I'll post of pic of what I'm doing tonight and tomorrow night. I have a Mazda RX7 oil cooler that I'm mounting to the front of the trunk and behind the air dam. The forced air will vent out through the wheel wells ... at least that's the plan.
I would mount the cooler inside, however the front trunk mounted fuel cell does not allow proper clearance. I can't move the fuel cell back because the front mounted oil tank is going where the stock gas tank is. |
Van914 |
Apr 22 2009, 07:21 PM
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Van914 Group: Members Posts: 698 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Cincinnati, Ohio Member No.: 90 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Mike,
BAT sells one that you can mount to the engine lid. Works for a 4cyl I do not think it would work for a six. Van914 http://64.202.180.37/files/kits.pdf The Mocal oil cooling kit for the Porsche 914-4 consists of a 25 row -10AN oil cooler & 7/12" cooling fan with with a SP1T thermostatic sandwich plate and -10AN AQP stainless hose and fittings. The cooler is mounted to the underside of the engine grille, the plastic rain pan can be removed or a hole the size of the cooler can be made in the center. The SP1T thermo. sandwich plate mounts between the oil filter and the filter mount allowing oil flow to the cooler after 180 degrees. We supply enough AQP stainless oil hose and aircraft fittings to link the sandwich plate to the oil cooler. Complete Kit Price $479.00 Kit Without Thermo Plate $439.00 Kit Without Fan-Pac $405.00 Basic Kit (no fan, no thermo plate) $335.0 |
SirAndy |
Apr 22 2009, 07:27 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,638 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
I'll post of pic of what I'm doing tonight and tomorrow night. I have a Mazda RX7 oil cooler that I'm mounting to the front of the trunk and behind the air dam. The forced air will vent out through the wheel wells ... at least that's the plan. I would mount the cooler inside, however the front trunk mounted fuel cell does not allow proper clearance. I can't move the fuel cell back because the front mounted oil tank is going where the stock gas tank is. That should work well. We run the same setup on the 911 racecar. Just add some sort of bracing around the cooler so you don't rip it off the first time you "tap" something. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Andy |
brant |
Apr 22 2009, 08:02 PM
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914 Wizard Group: Members Posts: 11,623 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Colorado Member No.: 47 Region Association: Rocky Mountains |
front trunks are way over rated.
here are 2 of my teeners: Attached thumbnail(s) |
PRS914-6 |
Apr 23 2009, 11:33 AM
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Excellence Magazine Project 914 3.6 Group: Retired Members Posts: 1,278 Joined: 20-May 06 From: Central California Member No.: 6,031 Region Association: None |
I mounted the largest cooler I could fit in the front. Money well spent. The aluminum ducting was fabricated by hand with a rubber mallet over wood and was pretty simple if you take your time.
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Grngoat |
Apr 23 2009, 11:35 PM
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Lurker Member Group: Members Posts: 158 Joined: 17-October 04 From: Fort Worth, TX Member No.: 2,967 Region Association: Southwest Region |
I find the front trunk to be incredibly useful and didn't want to cut it up. So I ended up with dual coolers mounted on either side of the transmission. Drivers side is a Setrab fan-pack cooler that comes with dual fans and is fully shrouded. Passenger side is a Setrab, but I added the fan so it's not shrouded. Would go with the fan-pack on both sides next time.
It cools my 3.6 perfectly fine in the Texas summer. Autocrossing is no problem either. I haven't take it to a DE yet, that might stress it. I like the sleeper look too. I still have the stock front valance, so most think it's a four. |
carr914 |
Apr 24 2009, 07:31 AM
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Racer from Birth Group: Members Posts: 118,648 Joined: 2-February 04 From: Tampa,FL Member No.: 1,623 Region Association: South East States |
Avery, what Tranny mounts are those?
T.C. |
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