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post May 12 2009, 06:17 AM
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Rear windows were never tinted! Heated or unheated.
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post May 12 2009, 08:02 AM
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I agree with What the capt'n said about the Face plates..... until a month ago I parted an early 73 2.0 and the face plate is solid plastic with the basket weave pattern that exactly maches the vinly. It does not have the same opening as 914sixers though. It has what I call the din style opening basicly the same as the radio hole in the dash. So is this peice porsche or blaupunkt?? or aftermarket?
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post May 12 2009, 08:22 AM
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For what it's worth, both the original window sticker and 15 year old COA for my 1970 914-6 show the Frankfurt radio.

I don't have a copy of the COA with me, but here is a scan of the original window sticker.


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post May 12 2009, 08:37 AM
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QUOTE(914Sixer @ May 12 2009, 08:17 AM) *

Rear windows were never tinted! Heated or unheated.



Then I must have the only one in existence

T.C.
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post May 12 2009, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE(carr914 @ May 12 2009, 03:37 PM) *

QUOTE(914Sixer @ May 12 2009, 08:17 AM) *

Rear windows were never tinted! Heated or unheated.



Then I must have the only one in existence

T.C.

not really - a friend of mine has one on the shelf
I was always wondering about this one - tinted and heated - and everyone knew that it shouldn't exist (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

so - it's good to know that you also have one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 12 2009, 11:24 AM
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QUOTE(Gustl @ May 11 2009, 11:55 PM) *

every option, that had a "M-Oprion Code" was installed by the factory

other additional equipment (like ski racks, snow chains, suit case set, ...) that had order codes like 914.801.901.00 (that's the ski rack) was not factory installed
when you picked up your 914 at the factory then they gave it to you,
when you picked up your 914 at the dealer then it was "dealer installed" (if possible)

of course there was the possibility, that a dealer beefed up a new 914 with a dealer installed radio (for example when the customer wanted another radio than possible from the factory), but there was also the possibility that the car came with a factory installed radio, which is shown on the COA

a dealer installed radio is NEVER on a COA

Thanks for that Wolfgang. I feel there is sufficient evidence to support the notion that some cars did in fact come from the factory with a stereo. And actually, I have yet to see any evidence that this isn't true. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

QUOTE(rwjames @ May 12 2009, 07:22 AM) *

For what it's worth, both the original window sticker and 15 year old COA for my 1970 914-6 show the Frankfurt radio.

Let's bring this back around to the original topic ~ what surrounds the Frankfurt in your six? Is it a plastic plate, or is it basketweave vinyl over (presumably) steel?

Thanks!
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post May 12 2009, 11:37 AM
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And actually, I have yet to see any evidence that this isn't true. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)


Show me one car with a nice, clean antenna hole and not one that looks like it was hacked into the fender by a 3 year old.
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post May 12 2009, 12:24 PM
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Andy, check the old marketing brochures and magazine ads
every 2nd car has the antenna on the driver's side front fender and some interior shots show various radios
I'm absolutely sure that these cars had factory installed radios - not dealer installed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/w00t.gif)


and btw - here's another one with factory installed radio and antenna (it was not sold via dealership) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post May 12 2009, 12:32 PM
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QUOTE(Gustl @ May 12 2009, 11:24 AM) *

and btw - here's another one with factory installed radio and antenna (it was not sold via dealership) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Needs wheel spacers in the front!
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post May 12 2009, 12:43 PM
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Show me one car with a nice, clean antenna hole and not one that looks like it was hacked into the fender by a 3 year old.
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That's the "evidence" that has you convinced that these other documents/resources are incorrect? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post May 12 2009, 12:51 PM
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Just show me one ...
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post May 12 2009, 01:47 PM
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Just show me one ...

If that's enough for you to draw your conclusions from Andy, right on. Me, I'm inclined to believe the other empirical evidence to the contrary that we've seen here. Let's agree to let the other rational folks out there do the same. Thanks for your input though, I'll definitely pay closer attention to the antennae hole in the future!

Back to this radio plate question. Hopefully there will be some examples posted for reference.

Plastic? Vinyl on steel? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif)
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post May 12 2009, 02:07 PM
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I'll definitely pay closer attention to the antennae hole in the future!

What antenna hole????

Oh, look at all those factory 914s leaving the Karmann lot. Without an antenna. Or a hole to mount one.


Yes, i can see you did a lot of "research" on the subject ...
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PS: I have a whole stash of images from the factory assembly line as well as factory showcars. Not one car has an antenna or a hole to mount one.


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post May 12 2009, 02:25 PM
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Andy, why so wrapped up in whether or not I believe you? Like I said there've been arguments made for both sides. I'm a rational guy, I've done my own research, I've seen what others have to say, and I've come to my own conclusion. Others will do the same. Why do you feel your opinion must be "right"? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

That's a rhetorical question of course. What I'm actually interested in is the plate surrounding Blaupunkt Frankfurt stereos in factory sixes.

Again, Andy, thanks for the input. I'd appreciate it though if you'd let this get back on topic.

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post May 12 2009, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 12 2009, 09:07 PM) *

Oh, look at all those factory 914s leaving the Karmann lot. Without an antenna. Or a hole to mount one.

on this photo you won't see an antenna even if 9 from 10 cars would have it
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post May 12 2009, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(Lavanaut @ May 12 2009, 01:25 PM) *

Why do you feel your opinion must be "right"? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

What i feel is that a lot of people around here are way too fast in accepting gossip for truth.
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post May 12 2009, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 12 2009, 09:07 PM) *

Oh, look at all those factory 914s leaving the Karmann lot. Without an antenna. Or a hole to mount one.

on this photo you won't see an antenna even if 9 from 10 cars would have it

I know. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I have another one of the Karmann lot that gives you a much better view of the cars, but i agreed not to share that picture. (Along with a whole batch of others from Karmann)

None of them has an antenna.
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post May 12 2009, 02:57 PM
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Now that Karman is bankrupt, it'll be ok to share. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Anyway, the 70 six I bought new from Forest Lane Porsche in Dallas had the radio in the car and on the window sticker...I don't know how it got in the car or on the sticker. Wish I still had the car. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Bill
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post May 12 2009, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 12 2009, 09:38 PM) *

None of them has an antenna.
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as I told you before ... check all the marketing brochures and magazine ads
there are lots of cars showing the antenna - and some interior shots showing radios

and don't tell me they used cars from any dealership to make factory photos (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)


here're just a couple of examples - there are lots more:

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(IMG:http://members.rennlist.com/914_collectibles/zVWPAd-F02.JPG)
(IMG:http://members.rennlist.com/914_collectibles/zVWPAd-G03.jpg)

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post May 12 2009, 03:05 PM
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@ Reid

sorry for going deep OT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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