Home  |  Forums  |  914 Info  |  Blogs
 
914World.com - The fastest growing online 914 community!
 
Porsche, and the Porsche crest are registered trademarks of Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG. This site is not affiliated with Porsche in any way.
Its only purpose is to provide an online forum for car enthusiasts. All other trademarks are property of their respective owners.
 

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

 
 Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Weird Starter problem, 914 does not start when hot
Keoni914
post May 25 2009, 06:13 PM
Post #1


Newbie
*

Group: Members
Posts: 35
Joined: 12-November 08
From: NorthEast PA
Member No.: 9,746
Region Association: North East States
This is weird but I previously thought I had a starter problem after Hershey. I stalled it while entering a parking lot on the way home and it would not start. I caught it in gear and continued home. I tried starting upon arrival, nada. Took the starter off and tested GOOD. Car starts! Went for a ride today and when we got home I thought "let me see it if starts". It didn't! Weird. About an hour later it started okay. Any thoughts on a fix???

Thanks

Keoni914
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
SirAndy
post May 25 2009, 06:21 PM
Post #2


Resident German
*************************

Group: Admin
Posts: 41,625
Joined: 21-January 03
From: Oakland, Kalifornia
Member No.: 179
Region Association: Northern California
QUOTE(Keoni914 @ May 25 2009, 04:13 PM) *

Any thoughts on a fix???

Get a new starter. It'll only get worse from here.

Some will suggest to install a "hot start" relay but that's just a band aid for a failing starter.


I went to a high torque mini starter and never looked back ...
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy
User is online!Profile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
So.Cal.914
post May 25 2009, 06:23 PM
Post #3


"...And it has a front trunk too."
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 6,588
Joined: 15-February 04
From: Low Desert, CA./ Hills of N.J.
Member No.: 1,658
Region Association: None
It is actually common. And there seam to be two schools of thought that I have read. One is your starter is bad, or something else is wrong, fix the car right and it wouldn't do that. The second one, and how I took care of the problem is a 'Hot Start Kit'.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
wilchek
post May 25 2009, 06:26 PM
Post #4


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 506
Joined: 8-June 04
From: Eastern Pennsylvania
Member No.: 2,177
This is a really common problem. I assume when u say does not start you mean does not crank. The engine bay gets really hot and the starter get a lot of the heat. My VW Thing did the samething. They make smaller starters that some people have used. I guess the theory is that it has more airflow. They also make a thermal blanket that wraps around the starter. 914 also moved the fuel pump to the fron trunk in 75 to help as this was an issue do to the heat as well. I think the heat to the pump would help cause vapor lock.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Keoni914
post May 25 2009, 06:29 PM
Post #5


Newbie
*

Group: Members
Posts: 35
Joined: 12-November 08
From: NorthEast PA
Member No.: 9,746
Region Association: North East States
I'm learning! Thanks

Boy getting that top starter nut on in the engine bay is a real PITA also!

I'll check around for a new starter!

Keoni914
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
wilchek
post May 25 2009, 06:38 PM
Post #6


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 506
Joined: 8-June 04
From: Eastern Pennsylvania
Member No.: 2,177
There is a rebuilt starter in the classifieds
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=95999

Once you know where the nut is it gets easier. The 914 has a lot of stuff like that. Wait until u work on the back brakes.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Keoni914
post May 25 2009, 06:47 PM
Post #7


Newbie
*

Group: Members
Posts: 35
Joined: 12-November 08
From: NorthEast PA
Member No.: 9,746
Region Association: North East States
QUOTE(wilchek @ May 25 2009, 08:38 PM) *

There is a rebuilt starter in the classifieds
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=95999

Once you know where the nut is it gets easier. The 914 has a lot of stuff like that. Wait until u work on the back brakes.


Oh thats great to hear! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) I do need to rebuild the rears. Maybe I'll just send them to the Brake Guy on this forum.

I got a connection to a new Parts retailer in CA, I'll ring him up for a price on a starter. (Thanks for the link though!) So far his prices are great!

Keoni914
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
So.Cal.914
post May 25 2009, 09:40 PM
Post #8


"...And it has a front trunk too."
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 6,588
Joined: 15-February 04
From: Low Desert, CA./ Hills of N.J.
Member No.: 1,658
Region Association: None
QUOTE(esses62 @ May 25 2009, 08:24 PM) *


Just follow the excellent write up on rebuilding the rear calipers by eric shea. You can do it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smash.gif)


Normally I would agree with doing your own work. I do. But when it comes to your life, ask yourself "Self" "Are my mechanical skills good enough to bet our lives on it?"
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
SGB
post May 25 2009, 09:43 PM
Post #9


just visiting
****

Group: Members
Posts: 4,086
Joined: 8-March 03
From: Huntsville, AL
Member No.: 404
Region Association: South East States
And
Eric's work is
AWESOME.


He will do a better job than you thought possible by humans.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Tom
post May 26 2009, 09:29 AM
Post #10


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2,139
Joined: 21-August 05
From: Port Orchard, WA 98367
Member No.: 4,626
Region Association: None
Hope a new starter fixes your problem, but you really should use the search function on this site and read up on what others have experienced in this area. There can be more than one problem in the start circuit. Along with different ways to "fix" those problems. If your new starter has the same heat-soak problems, then you have some wiring problems in the start circuit. Sometimes just cleaning or replacing all of the electrical connectors will solve this problem for a while. Dirt, grease and water will eventually make any connection suspect when it comes to passing current.
Hope this has been of some help. There are some good write ups in here that identify these problems.
Oh, and the brakes, yep- Eric!
Tom
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
70Sixter
post May 26 2009, 11:50 AM
Post #11


Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 422
Joined: 3-August 04
From: Surf City, NC
Member No.: 2,444
Region Association: South East States
It really was such a common problem that some guy made money selling a relay kit to provide more juice at hot start. Not sure but believe it is still available.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
70Sixter
post May 26 2009, 11:51 AM
Post #12


Member
**

Group: Members
Posts: 422
Joined: 3-August 04
From: Surf City, NC
Member No.: 2,444
Region Association: South East States
It really was such a common problem that some guy made money selling a relay kit to provide more juice at hot start. Not sure but believe it is still available.

The other solution was to get the lug wrench/jack handle out and smite the solenoid near the starter and sometimes the starter itself. The only time my car failed to hot start (in 1988) the hammer trick worked.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
gregrobbins
post May 27 2009, 12:41 AM
Post #13


Member: Team NARP
***

Group: Members
Posts: 1,515
Joined: 23-March 04
From: Arizona
Member No.: 1,844
Region Association: Southwest Region
Check all your electrical connections and wires. I had a similar problem and it turned out to be a corroded positive cable.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Bartlett 914
post May 27 2009, 10:31 AM
Post #14


Advanced Member
****

Group: Members
Posts: 2,215
Joined: 30-August 05
From: South Elgin IL
Member No.: 4,707
Region Association: Upper MidWest
QUOTE(Tom @ May 26 2009, 10:29 AM) *

Hope a new starter fixes your problem, but you really should use the search function on this site and read up on what others have experienced in this area. There can be more than one problem in the start circuit. Along with different ways to "fix" those problems. If your new starter has the same heat-soak problems, then you have some wiring problems in the start circuit. Sometimes just cleaning or replacing all of the electrical connectors will solve this problem for a while. Dirt, grease and water will eventually make any connection suspect when it comes to passing current.
Hope this has been of some help. There are some good write ups in here that identify these problems.
Oh, and the brakes, yep- Eric!
Tom

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif)

I went through all this. I changed the starter, I used a hot start relay, I cleaned all the connections etc. My problem was the ignition switch. I used one from a parts car but a new switch is not too expensive. Much cheaper than a new starter. Your starter may still be a problem but I suggest you go through the starter circuit first.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
SUNAB914
post May 27 2009, 10:42 AM
Post #15


Senior Member
***

Group: Members
Posts: 698
Joined: 29-December 08
From: Fredericksburg VA
Member No.: 9,880
Region Association: South East States
I agree with above! Ignition switch everytime for me. They are old and crack with heat. less expensive than a starter that is probably not your problem. Let us know what you find. IGNITION Switch!
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Cap'n Krusty
post May 27 2009, 11:28 AM
Post #16


Cap'n Krusty
**********

Group: Members
Posts: 10,794
Joined: 24-June 04
From: Santa Maria, CA
Member No.: 2,246
Region Association: Central California
Grounds. Positive wiring. Check the signal from the ignition switch. If it's there and at least 11v with the wire connected to the tab on the starter, then replace the starter. A bad starter is the answer to the question 75-80% of the time. If the switch doesn't send the signal to the starter, replace it. The Cap'n
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Lavanaut
post May 27 2009, 04:55 PM
Post #17


Hungry Mind : Thirsty Gullet
***

Group: Members
Posts: 916
Joined: 20-June 06
From: Bend, OR
Member No.: 6,265
Region Association: Pacific Northwest
QUOTE(SirAndy @ May 25 2009, 05:21 PM) *

I went to a high torque mini starter and never looked back ...

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Bought one of the Nippondenso units off eBay and never once had that happen again. Damn that was an annoying problem! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headbang.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Drums66
post May 27 2009, 06:18 PM
Post #18


914 Rudiments
*****

Group: Members
Posts: 5,321
Joined: 15-January 03
From: Coronado,Cali
Member No.: 151
Region Association: Southwest Region
QUOTE(So.Cal.914 @ May 25 2009, 05:23 PM) *

The second one, and how I took care of the problem is a 'Hot Start Kit'.


that one worked for me also!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif)
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
« Next Oldest · 914World Garage · Next Newest »
 

Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

Display Mode: Standard · Switch to: Linear+ · Switch to: Outline

Track this topic · Email this topic · Print this topic · Subscribe to this forum

- Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 8th May 2024 - 11:44 PM
Invision Power Board v9.1.4 © 2024  IPS, Inc.
All rights reserved 914World.com © since 2002
914World.com is the fastest growing online 914 community!
We have it all, classifieds, events, forums, vendors, parts, autocross, racing, technical articles, events calendar, newsletter, restoration, gallery, archives, history and more for your Porsche 914 ...