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bandjoey |
May 31 2009, 10:09 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
What does "deep dish" and "with hearts" mean when I see Fuch ads? Thanks
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SirAndy |
May 31 2009, 10:17 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,648 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
FUCHS
Note the "S" on the end. Which is pronounced ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Andy |
type2man |
May 31 2009, 11:16 PM
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They are called fuchs and it usually refers to the popular 5 spoke 911 wheel although people call any Porsche wheel fuchs. The deep spoke are usually 15x5 1/2 or 15x6 and are an early wheel from the late 60's early 70's. The later mid 70's wheels were usually not deep spoke. The term hearts is the nub that goes around the valve stem on some of the early wheels that makes it look like a heart. They are rarer and more desireable. Some of the terms you hear like earlies, hearts, skinnies, crabs, and king crabs have surfaced in the last few years but they are still called fuchs.
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type2man |
May 31 2009, 11:30 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 353 Joined: 3-March 09 From: Miami, Fl Member No.: 10,127 Region Association: South East States |
15x6 deep spoke alloy, you can see that the spokes are slightly sunken in. That wheel has a heart but I don't have a closeup of it |
Lavanaut |
Jun 1 2009, 11:16 AM
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Hungry Mind : Thirsty Gullet Group: Members Posts: 916 Joined: 20-June 06 From: Bend, OR Member No.: 6,265 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
you can see that the spokes are slightly sunken in Humbly, I disagree. It's the backgrounds which are "sunken in", especially around the perimeter, giving the paddles/spokes a more pronounced/raised and in my opition "cooler" appearance. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) As the spokes approach the rim of the wheel, you can see where they dip in significantly, giving the wheel a "deep lip" or "deep dish". Search around on the site, there are some good cutaway diagrams that demonstrate the difference between the "deep" and "flat" varieties. Deeps have a part number that starts with 901, flats start with 911. Deeps were originally designed to be run with tubes as well, but lots and lots of people these days run them without (myself included). You see dramatic warnings from some people stating how incredibly dangerous this is, but I have yet to hear a single case of it causing an issue. Certainly hasn't for me. The "heart" being more valuable somehow is silly in my opinion, the only argument which comes close to justifying it is that, with the non-hearts, there's less material around the valve stem and this "might" not be as good or as safe. Again, have yet to see any real evidence to support that claim. I have non-hearts on my car. And actually, I have a set of non-hearts available for sale here, if you're interested. Below are a couple pics, first two are non-hearts, 3rd is detail of the "heart" on a different set. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) Reid (edited for clarity) |
Lavanaut |
Jun 1 2009, 11:24 AM
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Hungry Mind : Thirsty Gullet Group: Members Posts: 916 Joined: 20-June 06 From: Bend, OR Member No.: 6,265 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
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Lightweight_911 |
Jun 1 2009, 12:59 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 7-October 06 From: London, UK Member No.: 7,008 |
Deep sixes without 'hearts' are actually rarer than those with 'hearts' ...
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bandjoey |
Jun 1 2009, 02:27 PM
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bandjoey Group: Members Posts: 4,926 Joined: 26-September 07 From: Bedford Tx Member No.: 8,156 Region Association: Southwest Region |
Thanks Guys! Deep dish does look cooller than flat. Bill
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Lavanaut |
Jun 1 2009, 05:49 PM
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Hungry Mind : Thirsty Gullet Group: Members Posts: 916 Joined: 20-June 06 From: Bend, OR Member No.: 6,265 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
Deep sixes without 'hearts' are actually rarer than those with 'hearts' ... Interesting...got anything to support that claim? I'd always heard the opposite, and I definitely see non-hearts come up for sale far more often than hearts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) |
degreeoff |
Jun 1 2009, 06:01 PM
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I like big butts and I can not lie! Group: Members Posts: 1,622 Joined: 9-February 03 From: Booowieeee MD (near DC) Member No.: 275 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
they all be too skinny fer my car.....:-(
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type2man |
Jun 1 2009, 06:01 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 353 Joined: 3-March 09 From: Miami, Fl Member No.: 10,127 Region Association: South East States |
Thats' what I meant when I said the spokes are sunken in. Hard to explain but you have better pictures than I do. It's amazing how the price of these wheels has gone up in price especially the 4 1/2 and the deep 6's. I've owned quite a few sets but now i just collect them. About 6 years ago I sold a set of 4 1/2's and deep 6's for $750. I bought those back about a year later and still have them along with another full set of deep 6's.
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Cap'n Krusty |
Jun 1 2009, 06:20 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
They are called fuchs and it usually refers to the popular 5 spoke 911 wheel although people call any Porsche wheel fuchs. The deep spoke are usually 15x5 1/2 or 15x6 and are an early wheel from the late 60's early 70's. The later mid 70's wheels were usually not deep spoke. The term hearts is the nub that goes around the valve stem on some of the early wheels that makes it look like a heart. They are rarer and more desirable. Some of the terms you hear like earlies, hearts, skinnies, crabs, and king crabs have surfaced in the last few years but they are still called fuchs. "Fuchs" wheels are wheels made by "Fuchs", a manufacturer in Germany. Other common wheels on Porsches be made by other manufacturers, and are usually referred to by the name of that company, i.e., Mahle, BBS, American, Pedrini, ATS, Minilite, and others. Original equipment wheels will have a Porsche part number on the inside, aftermarket wheels, including replicas, will not. The Cap'n |
type2man |
Jun 1 2009, 10:27 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 353 Joined: 3-March 09 From: Miami, Fl Member No.: 10,127 Region Association: South East States |
They are called fuchs and it usually refers to the popular 5 spoke 911 wheel although people call any Porsche wheel fuchs. The deep spoke are usually 15x5 1/2 or 15x6 and are an early wheel from the late 60's early 70's. The later mid 70's wheels were usually not deep spoke. The term hearts is the nub that goes around the valve stem on some of the early wheels that makes it look like a heart. They are rarer and more desirable. Some of the terms you hear like earlies, hearts, skinnies, crabs, and king crabs have surfaced in the last few years but they are still called fuchs. "Fuchs" wheels are wheels made by "Fuchs", a manufacturer in Germany. Other common wheels on Porsches be made by other manufacturers, and are usually referred to by the name of that company, i.e., Mahle, BBS, American, Pedrini, ATS, Minilite, and others. Original equipment wheels will have a Porsche part number on the inside, aftermarket wheels, including replicas, will not. The Cap'n So technically 2 liter alloys, cookie cutters, phone dials, boxster wheels, cayenne wheels, turbo twists and any other wheels with a porsche part number on the back are also called fuchs? |
SirAndy |
Jun 1 2009, 10:41 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,648 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
"Fuchs" wheels are wheels made by "Fuchs", a manufacturer in Germany. Other common wheels on Porsches be made by other manufacturers, and are usually referred to by the name of that company, i.e., Mahle, BBS, American, Pedrini, ATS, Minilite, and others. Original equipment wheels will have a Porsche part number on the inside, aftermarket wheels, including replicas, will not. The Cap'n So technically 2 liter alloys, cookie cutters, phone dials, boxster wheels, cayenne wheels, turbo twists and any other wheels with a porsche part number on the back are also called fuchs? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) Fuchs are made by "Fuchs". Original equipment wheels will have a Porsche part number on the inside. Where in there does it say that all original equipment wheels are made by Fuchs??? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy PS: Fuchs are made by the "Otto Fuchs KG" http://www.fuchsfelge.de/ |
Cap'n Krusty |
Jun 1 2009, 11:27 PM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
They are called fuchs and it usually refers to the popular 5 spoke 911 wheel although people call any Porsche wheel fuchs. The deep spoke are usually 15x5 1/2 or 15x6 and are an early wheel from the late 60's early 70's. The later mid 70's wheels were usually not deep spoke. The term hearts is the nub that goes around the valve stem on some of the early wheels that makes it look like a heart. They are rarer and more desirable. Some of the terms you hear like earlies, hearts, skinnies, crabs, and king crabs have surfaced in the last few years but they are still called fuchs. "Fuchs" wheels are wheels made by "Fuchs", a manufacturer in Germany. Other common wheels on Porsches be made by other manufacturers, and are usually referred to by the name of that company, i.e., Mahle, BBS, American, Pedrini, ATS, Minilite, and others. Original equipment wheels will have a Porsche part number on the inside, aftermarket wheels, including replicas, will not. The Cap'n So technically 2 liter alloys, cookie cutters, phone dials, boxster wheels, cayenne wheels, turbo twists and any other wheels with a porsche part number on the back are also called fuchs? How could you POSSIBLY read THAT into what I said? The Cap'n |
type2man |
Jun 2 2009, 06:20 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 353 Joined: 3-March 09 From: Miami, Fl Member No.: 10,127 Region Association: South East States |
Woops, i thought you meant if it had a porsche part number it was a fuchs wheel. Cool website too.
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Lightweight_911 |
Jun 2 2009, 12:45 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 71 Joined: 7-October 06 From: London, UK Member No.: 7,008 |
Interesting...got anything to support that claim? I'd always heard the opposite, and I definitely see non-hearts come up for sale far more often than hearts. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Deep six Fuchs wheels with 'hearts' were built from Aug '68 - July '70 Deep six Fuchs wheels without 'hearts were built from Aug '70 to Mar '71 |
Lavanaut |
Jun 2 2009, 03:38 PM
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Hungry Mind : Thirsty Gullet Group: Members Posts: 916 Joined: 20-June 06 From: Bend, OR Member No.: 6,265 Region Association: Pacific Northwest |
You're implying that, because the production window for non-hearts was shorter, there were fewer made? That fact alone doesn't mean much though. Take the 914-6 - there was a 3-year production window, but roughly 80% were produced for the 1970 model year. Shorter production time doesn't necessarily equate to fewer units overall.
What I don't know is 911 production numbers for 68-70 vs 70-71...but I'd think there's a pretty good chance that the later period saw more cars come off the production line than the prior. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/idea.gif) |
Cairo94507 |
Dec 1 2010, 06:48 PM
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Michael Group: Members Posts: 9,767 Joined: 1-November 08 From: Auburn, CA Member No.: 9,712 Region Association: Northern California |
Well all I can say is that I just as pleased as can be that I have a matched set of 5 (dated 1/71) deep six w/o heart wheels for my six. They are in excellent condition but will go to Weidman to be refinished as new from the factory.
The only thing I may consider doing is lowering the paint line a little to make the lip look even deeper. It depends upon what Weidman says when we speak. Any thoughts re the paint line being lowered? |
pete000 |
Dec 1 2010, 06:55 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,885 Joined: 23-August 10 From: Bradenton Florida Member No.: 12,094 Region Association: South East States |
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