What does "deep dish" and "with hearts" mean when I see Fuch ads? Thanks

FUCHS


Note the "S" on the end. Which is pronounced ...
Andy

They are called fuchs and it usually refers to the popular 5 spoke 911 wheel although people call any Porsche wheel fuchs. The deep spoke are usually 15x5 1/2 or 15x6 and are an early wheel from the late 60's early 70's. The later mid 70's wheels were usually not deep spoke. The term hearts is the nub that goes around the valve stem on some of the early wheels that makes it look like a heart. They are rarer and more desireable. Some of the terms you hear like earlies, hearts, skinnies, crabs, and king crabs have surfaced in the last few years but they are still called fuchs.

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15x6 deep spoke alloy, you can see that the spokes are slightly sunken in. That wheel has a heart but I don't have a closeup of it

Humbly, I disagree. It's the backgrounds which are "sunken in", especially around the perimeter, giving the paddles/spokes a more pronounced/raised and in my opition "cooler" appearance. As the spokes approach the rim of the wheel, you can see where they dip in significantly, giving the wheel a "deep lip" or "deep dish". Search around on the site, there are some good cutaway diagrams that demonstrate the difference between the "deep" and "flat" varieties.

Deeps have a part number that starts with 901, flats start with 911. Deeps were originally designed to be run with tubes as well, but lots and lots of people these days run them without (myself included). You see dramatic warnings from some people stating how incredibly dangerous this is, but I have yet to hear a single case of it causing an issue. Certainly hasn't for me.

The "heart" being more valuable somehow is silly in my opinion, the only argument which comes close to justifying it is that, with the non-hearts, there's less material around the valve stem and this "might" not be as good or as safe. Again, have yet to see any real evidence to support that claim. I have non-hearts on my car.

And actually, I have a set of non-hearts available for sale here, if you're interested.

Below are a couple pics, first two are non-hearts, 3rd is detail of the "heart" on a different set.

Reid

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Here's a "flat" for comparison:

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Deep sixes without 'hearts' are actually rarer than those with 'hearts' ...

Thanks Guys! Deep dish does look cooller than flat. Bill

Interesting...got anything to support that claim? I'd always heard the opposite, and I definitely see non-hearts come up for sale far more often than hearts.

they all be too skinny fer my car.....:-(

Thats' what I meant when I said the spokes are sunken in. Hard to explain but you have better pictures than I do. It's amazing how the price of these wheels has gone up in price especially the 4 1/2 and the deep 6's. I've owned quite a few sets but now i just collect them. About 6 years ago I sold a set of 4 1/2's and deep 6's for $750. I bought those back about a year later and still have them along with another full set of deep 6's.

"Fuchs" wheels are wheels made by "Fuchs", a manufacturer in Germany. Other common wheels on Porsches be made by other manufacturers, and are usually referred to by the name of that company, i.e., Mahle, BBS, American, Pedrini, ATS, Minilite, and others. Original equipment wheels will have a Porsche part number on the inside, aftermarket wheels, including replicas, will not. The Cap'n

So technically 2 liter alloys, cookie cutters, phone dials, boxster wheels, cayenne wheels, turbo twists and any other wheels with a porsche part number on the back are also called fuchs?

Fuchs are made by "Fuchs".
Original equipment wheels will have a Porsche part number on the inside.


Where in there does it say that all original equipment wheels are made by Fuchs???
Andy

PS: Fuchs are made by the "Otto Fuchs KG" http://www.fuchsfelge.de/

How could you POSSIBLY read THAT into what I said?

The Cap'n

Woops, i thought you meant if it had a porsche part number it was a fuchs wheel. Cool website too.

Deep six Fuchs wheels with 'hearts' were built from Aug '68 - July '70

Deep six Fuchs wheels without 'hearts were built from Aug '70 to Mar '71

You're implying that, because the production window for non-hearts was shorter, there were fewer made? That fact alone doesn't mean much though. Take the 914-6 - there was a 3-year production window, but roughly 80% were produced for the 1970 model year. Shorter production time doesn't necessarily equate to fewer units overall.

What I don't know is 911 production numbers for 68-70 vs 70-71...but I'd think there's a pretty good chance that the later period saw more cars come off the production line than the prior.

Well all I can say is that I just as pleased as can be that I have a matched set of 5 (dated 1/71) deep six w/o heart wheels for my six. They are in excellent condition but will go to Weidman to be refinished as new from the factory.

The only thing I may consider doing is lowering the paint line a little to make the lip look even deeper. It depends upon what Weidman says when we speak.

Any thoughts re the paint line being lowered?

This means "EXPENSIVE" or very costly if OE

The problem I have with deep 6's is that they are realy a tube type wheel , No saftey bead.
They do look very Cool Though.
Hey look add your own "Hearts"

What did you have to pay? It is nice to know the cost of poker today.

Bob

See below

I have a set of 14" I am going to use. They must be DEEP 5 1/2" because the backspacing in 4 7/8"(125mm) and they are FLAT on the fronts.

Bob: I paid $2,400 delivered with caps. Probably more than I wanted to pay but I wanted a matched set of 5.

Hello!

Look at fuchs homepage:

http://www.fuchsfelge.de/index.php?id=189

Regards

Niklas

Number of years back I went and looked at a set of 4 deep sixes. That was the first thing I noticed. These are not meant for tubless tires. I passed on them.

That is correct, but that does not mean you can't run a tubeless tire. I ran a set as track wheels for many years with no problem. Well actually the only problem is trying to mount a set of tubeless tires - major pain in the ass