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| nycchef |
 Jun 21 2009, 06:53 AM
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mechanical moron  Group: Members Posts: 952 Joined: 28-November 05 From: new york city n.y. Member No.: 5,202 Region Association: None  |
i need to change my points and plugs. went to all the local flaps (pep boys, strauss, auto zone, no napa here) and when i say points 74 914, they glaze over. saw on e- bay (don't trust e-bay) points for a mercedes benz 230 66-84 will fit a 914. dizzy is stock (009) , is this true?
also what kind of plugs are good for a carbed 74 2.0 dumb question of the week. doing a valve adjustment i don't remember which are the intake and which are the exhaust, i know , senior moment considering i done this before thanks rich (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif) |
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| DNHunt |
Jun 21 2009, 07:23 AM
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914 Wizard? No way. I got too much to learn. Group: Members Posts: 4,099 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Gig Harbor, WA Member No.: 598 |
Rich
Don't feel so bad. I can remember which are intakes and which are exhaust but, when I get too close it's hard to see stuff. Ain't getting old fun. Intakes are to the center of the heads and exhaust are to the outside. Points are Bosch 232-081-044 Condenser is Bosch 311-905-295C I think you always are supposed to change both points and condenser together. Question why FLAPS? If they look puzzled I wouldn't trust them. It might be better to wait a couple of days and get the right stuff. Dave |
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| Gint |
Jun 21 2009, 08:39 AM
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Mike Ginter Group: Admin Posts: 16,071 Joined: 26-December 02 From: Denver CO. Member No.: 20 Region Association: Rocky Mountains  |
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Go to a real import parts auto store rather than a chain Autozone kinda place. Probably end up being a true "local" outfit from the acronym FLAPS. |
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| Spoke |
Jun 21 2009, 09:28 AM
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Jerry Group: Members Posts: 6,978 Joined: 29-October 04 From: Allentown, PA Member No.: 3,031 Region Association: None 
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Now is a good time to go to Pertronix. Install once and forget about them.
If you're going to keep points, I have a new set along with a new condenser that you can have. Pay the shipping and their yours. |
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| Cap'n Krusty |
Jun 21 2009, 09:47 AM
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Cap'n Krusty Group: Members Posts: 10,794 Joined: 24-June 04 From: Santa Maria, CA Member No.: 2,246 Region Association: Central California |
To adjust the valves, you don't need to know which is which. Use the procedure found in the classic threads. The part numbers listed earlier are NOT the Bosch numbers, or even close. The points for an aftermarket 009 (the one with no vacuum can) are 01 030, and the points for the stock EFI distributor are 01 011. The condenser for that one is 02 054. I don't have the number for the condenser that fits the aftermarket distributor. Condensers in Bosch distributors are rarely in need of replacement.
The Cap'n |
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| jt914-6 |
Jun 21 2009, 09:54 AM
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Driving & working on teeners 41 years Group: Members Posts: 1,786 Joined: 3-May 08 From: Bryant, Arkansas Member No.: 9,003 Region Association: South East States |
I believe Rich (nycchef) had a Pertronix and burned it up by reversing the wires...
Sounds like he needs the Pertronix II. They are protected from that......If that is the route he wants to go.... |
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| nycchef |
Jun 21 2009, 11:48 AM
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mechanical moron Group: Members Posts: 952 Joined: 28-November 05 From: new york city n.y. Member No.: 5,202 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(Gint @ Jun 21 2009, 06:39 AM)  (IMG:style_emoticons/default/agree.gif) Go to a real import parts auto store rather than a chain Autozone kinda place. Probably end up being a true "local" outfit from the acronym FLAPS. here is the problem, this is nyc. no one here drives classis cars, they all drive leased bmw's. it is easier to find a personal shopper than it is to find a real parts store or knowledgeable porsche guy (i got a personal shopper and he couldn't find a parts store either). i have a pertronix and plan to check it out today, i think it's o.k. just want a new set of points to keep on the glove box in case. well it,s on to the valve job, i'll be back when i screw that up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| jimkelly |
Jun 21 2009, 01:20 PM
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Delaware USA Group: Members Posts: 4,969 Joined: 5-August 04 From: Delaware, USA Member No.: 2,460 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
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| r_towle |
Jun 21 2009, 01:45 PM
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Custom Member Group: Members Posts: 24,574 Joined: 9-January 03 From: Taxachusetts Member No.: 124 Region Association: North East States
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Go to the Porsche dealer...they would know.
Or, Buy some online and wait. OR Clean your old set while you wait and use those. Rich |
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| nycchef |
Jun 21 2009, 03:04 PM
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mechanical moron Group: Members Posts: 952 Joined: 28-November 05 From: new york city n.y. Member No.: 5,202 Region Association: None |
QUOTE OR Clean your old set while you wait and use those. Rich that's what i'm gonna do. carbs are cleaned and adjusted as per your specs, floats @ 10mm hope to put them in later, maybe valve adjustment can wait a week till i can get to a lift, if not ... tomorrow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hissyfit.gif) |
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| jt914-6 |
Jun 21 2009, 03:12 PM
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Driving & working on teeners 41 years Group: Members Posts: 1,786 Joined: 3-May 08 From: Bryant, Arkansas Member No.: 9,003 Region Association: South East States |
I assume you know that valves have to be "cold" before adjusting them.....
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| nycchef |
Jun 21 2009, 04:29 PM
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mechanical moron Group: Members Posts: 952 Joined: 28-November 05 From: new york city n.y. Member No.: 5,202 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(jt914-6 @ Jun 21 2009, 01:12 PM) I assume you know that valves have to be "cold" before adjusting them..... yes i know. giving the amount of time my car actually spends running, that shouldn't be a problem |
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| ericread |
Jun 21 2009, 11:32 PM
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The Viper Blue 914 Group: Members Posts: 2,177 Joined: 7-December 07 From: Irvine, CA (The OC) Member No.: 8,432 Region Association: Southern California |
QUOTE(jt914-6 @ Jun 21 2009, 08:54 AM) I believe Rich (nycchef) had a Pertronix and burned it up by reversing the wires... Sounds like he needs the Pertronix II. They are protected from that......If that is the route he wants to go.... Last time I spoke to the guys at Pertornix, they had not made a "Pertronix-II" for the 914. So unless someone has more recent information, we're just going to have to go on using the old Pertronix units, and finally learning about our ignition wires. Eric Read (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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| jt914-6 |
Jun 22 2009, 05:03 PM
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Driving & working on teeners 41 years Group: Members Posts: 1,786 Joined: 3-May 08 From: Bryant, Arkansas Member No.: 9,003 Region Association: South East States |
Talked to a "tech" at Petronix. He says that he needs the dist. part number to see if they have a Ignitor II for it.
I've sold them for years. I sent them a 911 dist. so they could make them for the 911's. I'm also responsible for the 911 kit with the "backwards" points. I would think that an Ignitor II module from the six kit coupled with the four cyl. magnetic sleeve would work. The mounting plate/shape is about the same between both kits. I've got both kits and might be able to get a four dist. to try my idea....... |
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| jt914-6 |
Jun 27 2009, 08:33 AM
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Driving & working on teeners 41 years Group: Members Posts: 1,786 Joined: 3-May 08 From: Bryant, Arkansas Member No.: 9,003 Region Association: South East States |
Did some research. The Ignitor II module from a six kit will work for a four using the four magnetic sleeve. The base mounting plates are the same......This is something that the Pertronix "techs" don't know...... I thought it would work before I tried it.....Been selling them too long......I'm sure I can get the Ignitor II module by itself and make up a kit for the four....
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| Katmanken |
Jun 27 2009, 11:37 AM
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You haven't seen me if anybody asks... Group: Members Posts: 4,738 Joined: 14-June 03 From: USA Member No.: 819 Region Association: Upper MidWest |
Ya know, I'd be willing to bet that Porshche 914 parts, VW bug parts (1970-1975), or VW bus parts (70's) would work just fine.
All of these cars and vans use aircooled VW engines and Bosch distributors so the mounting of the points and condensers would be the same. The only difference might be the condenser wire length which you can check by taking an old part with you to the store. The bug condenser wires have an intermediate rubber plug on the green wire to go into the distributor, and a long extension from the plug to the dizzy. You can ask the guys at the store do a part number cross check to see if it's the same part numbers between VW and Porsche... That being said, finding an exact condenser for older engines can be fun. According to electrical theory, they can be different and work just fine. It's my personal theory that companies make a coupla condenser can sizes, and ship them to manufacturing to add different mounting surfaces, to cut the wire to lenght, and to add a connector or 2... Which is why I'm running a wonderful VW bug condenser (Bosch) with a long assed wire trimmed to length on my 1969-70 vintage Cub Cadet lawn mower.... It was cheap and reliable but required a different connector crimped on the end. |
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