 1971 914-4 shifting problems, Can't shift into 2nd or 4th gear |
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| dhkieffer |
 Jul 24 2009, 03:52 PM
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Prior to installing new bushings on the shift rods, shifting was very sloppy and one had trouble finding gears but they were all there (all 5 forward gears and reverse).
After installing all new bushings and adjusting linkage for Reverse and 1st gear, I discovered that I could only shift into Reverse, 1st, 3rd and 5th gear. No matter how hard I tried, I could not find 2nd or 4th gear. The only adjustments on the shift rods is to lengthen the rod at the inspection hole under the console. In adjusting the shifter, I placed the shifter in neutral and against the left stop (but not pushing against the spring. Next I made sure that the selector at the transmission was in neutral and centered in its throw. I then tightened the collar in the inspection plate under the console. I then started the car and tried shifting through the gears. Was easily able to find Reverse, 1st, 3rd, and 5th. When I put it in 1st and tried to shift up into 2nd, the car would not move. Also the same happened when I put it in 5th and then tried to shift into 4th, the car would not move no matter how hard I pushed up on the shifter lever. What could be the problem? |
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| geniusanthony |
Jul 25 2009, 12:32 AM
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Its a brand new "Chrome-sicle" Group: Members Posts: 517 Joined: 12-December 05 From: Alexandria,VA Member No.: 5,266 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
linkage sounds to be a bit out of adjustment. or perhaps theres a bind. go over your work and see that you didn't leave something half done or out of adjustment.
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| SirAndy |
Jul 25 2009, 03:57 AM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,640 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(dhkieffer @ Jul 24 2009, 01:52 PM)  What could be the problem? Your method of adjusting ... You can also rotate the rod, not just the forward/backward adjustment. It takes a bit of trial and error to get it just right. I usually pick either 2nd or 3rd to make the initial adjustment and then fine-tune from there .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy PS: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) |
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| rick 918-S |
Jul 25 2009, 07:51 AM
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Hey nice rack! -Celette Group: Members Posts: 20,460 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Now in Superior WI Member No.: 43 Region Association: Northstar Region 
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First; (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png)
Second; (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif) And third; Your car is a71 so I assume it's a tail shift unless you converted it to a side shift. I have custom linkage but it's still hard linkage. (not a cable shift conversion) I always center my shifter in neutral and move it to the right. Then there is a pinch clamp on the tail shift linkage in the tunnel. I loosen the pinch clamp and adjust the rotation and forward aft travel where the shift rod and tube slide together. Clear as mud. And check the cone screws. They have been know to come loose. Ask me how I know. |
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| dhkieffer |
 Jul 25 2009, 08:04 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-July 09 From: Clarks Summit,PA Member No.: 10,605 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(geniusanthony @ Jul 24 2009, 10:32 PM) linkage sounds to be a bit out of adjustment. or perhaps theres a bind. go over your work and see that you didn't leave something half done or out of adjustment. Thank you. I had hoped that it was just tweaking of the adjustment and not some other issue. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| dhkieffer |
Jul 25 2009, 08:08 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-July 09 From: Clarks Summit,PA Member No.: 10,605 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 25 2009, 01:57 AM) QUOTE(dhkieffer @ Jul 24 2009, 01:52 PM) What could be the problem? Your method of adjusting ... You can also rotate the rod, not just the forward/backward adjustment. It takes a bit of trial and error to get it just right. I usually pick either 2nd or 3rd to make the initial adjustment and then fine-tune from there .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy PS: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Thank you for your prompt response. I was hoping that this was the case. I was getting frustrated so I walked away and to research the issue. From your response and several others I received I just have to do some tweaking with the adjustments. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| dhkieffer |
Jul 25 2009, 08:15 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-July 09 From: Clarks Summit,PA Member No.: 10,605 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 25 2009, 05:51 AM) First; (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Second; (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif) And third; Your car is a71 so I assume it's a tail shift unless you converted it to a side shift. I have custom linkage but it's still hard linkage. (not a cable shift conversion) I always center my shifter in neutral and move it to the right. Then there is a pinch clamp on the tail shift linkage in the tunnel. I loosen the pinch clamp and adjust the rotation and forward aft travel where the shift rod and tube slide together. Clear as mud. And check the cone screws. They have been know to come loose. Ask me how I know. Yes it is still the stock rear shifter. All the cone screws are tight. Also I am at son-in-laws and do not have a digital camera handy for pics. I had become frustrated with not being able to get it adjusted correctly. At first I only had Reverse, 1st and 5th. With more adjusting I was able to add 3rd. I needed to step back and do some researching and to ask others what their thoughts were. The result from everyone is that I just need to keep on tweaking the adjustments. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| markb |
Jul 25 2009, 09:41 AM
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914less :( Group: Members Posts: 5,449 Joined: 22-January 03 From: Nipomo, CA Member No.: 180 Region Association: Central California
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It sounds like the shifter is not pushing the rod far enough rearward to get it to engage. Loosen the bolt on the shifter-to-rod (under the console) and hold the rod in place while moving the shifter further forward on the shaft. I think that will do it (unless I've got it totally backward in my head, which is possible). |
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| dhkieffer |
Jul 26 2009, 11:08 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-July 09 From: Clarks Summit,PA Member No.: 10,605 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(geniusanthony @ Jul 24 2009, 10:32 PM) linkage sounds to be a bit out of adjustment. or perhaps theres a bind. go over your work and see that you didn't leave something half done or out of adjustment. Thank you for your help. Problem is solved by a 1/4 - 3/8 adjustment in the linkage. We now have all 6 gears working perfectly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) |
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| dhkieffer |
Jul 26 2009, 11:09 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-July 09 From: Clarks Summit,PA Member No.: 10,605 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(dhkieffer @ Jul 26 2009, 09:08 AM) QUOTE(geniusanthony @ Jul 24 2009, 10:32 PM) linkage sounds to be a bit out of adjustment. or perhaps theres a bind. go over your work and see that you didn't leave something half done or out of adjustment. Thank you for your help. Problem is solved by a 1/4 - 3/8 adjustment in the linkage. We now have all 6 gears working perfectly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye1.gif) Thank you for your help. Problem is solved by a 1/4 - 3/8 adjustment in the linkage. We now have all 6 gears working perfectly. |
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| dhkieffer |
Jul 26 2009, 11:10 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-July 09 From: Clarks Summit,PA Member No.: 10,605 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(markb @ Jul 25 2009, 07:41 AM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) It sounds like the shifter is not pushing the rod far enough rearward to get it to engage. Loosen the bolt on the shifter-to-rod (under the console) and hold the rod in place while moving the shifter further forward on the shaft. I think that will do it (unless I've got it totally backward in my head, which is possible). Thank you for your help. Problem is solved by a 1/4 - 3/8 adjustment in the linkage. We now have all 6 gears working perfectly. |
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| dhkieffer |
Jul 26 2009, 11:11 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-July 09 From: Clarks Summit,PA Member No.: 10,605 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(dhkieffer @ Jul 25 2009, 06:15 AM) QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 25 2009, 05:51 AM) First; (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Second; (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif) And third; Your car is a71 so I assume it's a tail shift unless you converted it to a side shift. I have custom linkage but it's still hard linkage. (not a cable shift conversion) I always center my shifter in neutral and move it to the right. Then there is a pinch clamp on the tail shift linkage in the tunnel. I loosen the pinch clamp and adjust the rotation and forward aft travel where the shift rod and tube slide together. Clear as mud. And check the cone screws. They have been know to come loose. Ask me how I know. Yes it is still the stock rear shifter. All the cone screws are tight. Also I am at son-in-laws and do not have a digital camera handy for pics. I had become frustrated with not being able to get it adjusted correctly. At first I only had Reverse, 1st and 5th. With more adjusting I was able to add 3rd. I needed to step back and do some researching and to ask others what their thoughts were. The result from everyone is that I just need to keep on tweaking the adjustments. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Thank you for your help. Problem is solved by a 1/4 - 3/8 adjustment in the linkage. We now have all 6 gears working perfectly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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| dhkieffer |
Jul 26 2009, 11:13 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-July 09 From: Clarks Summit,PA Member No.: 10,605 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(dhkieffer @ Jul 25 2009, 06:15 AM) QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 25 2009, 05:51 AM) First; (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Second; (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thisthreadisworthlesswithoutpics.gif) And third; Your car is a71 so I assume it's a tail shift unless you converted it to a side shift. I have custom linkage but it's still hard linkage. (not a cable shift conversion) I always center my shifter in neutral and move it to the right. Then there is a pinch clamp on the tail shift linkage in the tunnel. I loosen the pinch clamp and adjust the rotation and forward aft travel where the shift rod and tube slide together. Clear as mud. And check the cone screws. They have been know to come loose. Ask me how I know. Yes it is still the stock rear shifter. All the cone screws are tight. Also I am at son-in-laws and do not have a digital camera handy for pics. I had become frustrated with not being able to get it adjusted correctly. At first I only had Reverse, 1st and 5th. With more adjusting I was able to add 3rd. I needed to step back and do some researching and to ask others what their thoughts were. The result from everyone is that I just need to keep on tweaking the adjustments. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Thank you for your help. Problem is solved by a 1/4 - 3/8 adjustment in the linkage. We now have all 6 gears working perfectly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| dhkieffer |
Jul 26 2009, 11:15 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-July 09 From: Clarks Summit,PA Member No.: 10,605 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(markb @ Jul 25 2009, 07:41 AM) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) It sounds like the shifter is not pushing the rod far enough rearward to get it to engage. Loosen the bolt on the shifter-to-rod (under the console) and hold the rod in place while moving the shifter further forward on the shaft. I think that will do it (unless I've got it totally backward in my head, which is possible). Thank you for your help. Problem is solved by a 1/4 - 3/8 adjustment in the linkage. We now have all 6 gears working perfectly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| dhkieffer |
Jul 26 2009, 11:16 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-July 09 From: Clarks Summit,PA Member No.: 10,605 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(dhkieffer @ Jul 25 2009, 06:04 AM) QUOTE(geniusanthony @ Jul 24 2009, 10:32 PM) linkage sounds to be a bit out of adjustment. or perhaps theres a bind. go over your work and see that you didn't leave something half done or out of adjustment. Thank you. I had hoped that it was just tweaking of the adjustment and not some other issue. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Thank you for your help. Problem is solved by a 1/4 - 3/8 adjustment in the linkage. We now have all 6 gears working perfectly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| dhkieffer |
Jul 26 2009, 11:18 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 24-July 09 From: Clarks Summit,PA Member No.: 10,605 Region Association: None |
QUOTE(dhkieffer @ Jul 25 2009, 06:08 AM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 25 2009, 01:57 AM) QUOTE(dhkieffer @ Jul 24 2009, 01:52 PM) What could be the problem? Your method of adjusting ... You can also rotate the rod, not just the forward/backward adjustment. It takes a bit of trial and error to get it just right. I usually pick either 2nd or 3rd to make the initial adjustment and then fine-tune from there .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy PS: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/welcome.png) Thank you for your prompt response. I was hoping that this was the case. I was getting frustrated so I walked away and to research the issue. From your response and several others I received I just have to do some tweaking with the adjustments. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Thank you for your help. Problem is solved by a 1/4 - 3/8 adjustment in the linkage. We now have all 6 gears working perfectly. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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