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Dman
post Apr 2 2003, 12:29 PM
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Give it to me straight guys how bad is this? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

Should I replace all of the panels or is there an alternatve? There is a small 3/8 hole in the top of the frame member but there is NO rust on the bottom side of the car (jack point/suspension mount).
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post Apr 2 2003, 12:32 PM
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Stupid me, here is the picture.
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post Apr 2 2003, 12:46 PM
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How much do you like this particular car? How much work have you put into it so far?

If you can weld, it is very saveable. Not a real huge deal. But if you can find a non-rusty donor car, it might wind up being easier to swap the good parts over.

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post Apr 2 2003, 12:51 PM
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naaa, that's good!
spray "Metal Ready" in the holes in the frame and on everything else.
(yes, you can weld through Metal ready), then weld a plate over the mess.
then put POR-15 on it.

see here:

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post Apr 2 2003, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(Dman @ Apr 2 2003, 10:29 AM)
Give it to me straight guys how bad is this?  :unsure:

Should I replace all of the panels or is there an alternatve? There is a small 3/8 hole in the top of the frame member but there is NO rust on the bottom side of the car (jack point/suspension mount).

Dman,
If you can weld or have a friend who can this is no big deal. Looks like you've got the engine out, so you're well on your way. I'll contradict Andy just a little and say grind out the bad stuff. It's the only way to know for sure how far the damage goes. You may find that 3/8" hole will open up to 6"x4" before you get to solid metal. Trim your holes up nice with an angle grinder or whatever you've got, THEN treat it with medal-ready, then clean it, then spray the area with zinc-chromate weld-through primer and weld your patches on. Then POR-15 it if you want. Be sure you metal-ready, clean, and zinc-prime the underside of the patch area and inside the suspension console/hollow frame area as best you can before you close up the hole. It'll be good for another 30 years. Also check the firewall near your patch area shown - it may be thinner than you think down there at the corner. Good luck - your car doesn't look in bad shape from the pictures. Definitely worth fixing, and you can do this repair in just a couple of hours, easy.

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post Apr 2 2003, 01:31 PM
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Seems like no big deal, simple repair. I live on the east coast,...........if no welder........and no grinder........you can't have a 914 <_<
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post Apr 2 2003, 01:31 PM
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airsix is right. if you look at my second picture you can see that i cut out the upper hole until i reached solid metal. (did that with the big one too) ...
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post Apr 2 2003, 01:42 PM
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Wanna trade?
Didn't think so... so quit your whinin' will ya... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

get out your grinder and your welder and be done with it

make sure you cut out all of the cancer before you stich her back up again

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post Apr 2 2003, 01:46 PM
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This is the only real rust on the car so I want to fix it and learn to weld. I was planning on replacing the area where the bat tray mounted and it sounds like I can spot fix the other areas.

I have done some pretty wire wheel work and most of the metal in the frame area is in good shape.

Thanks guys I am feeling better already I didn't want to do any major panel replacement (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)
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post Apr 2 2003, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(Dman @ Apr 2 2003, 11:46 AM)
This is the only real rust on the car so I want to fix it and learn to weld. I was planning on replacing the area where the bat tray mounted and it sounds like I can spot fix the other areas.

I have done some pretty wire wheel work and most of the metal in the frame area is in good shape.

Thanks guys I am feeling better already I didn't want to do any major panel replacement (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif)

I'm sure you were planning on this but just thought I'd mention...If you want to learn to weld do a couple of off-car practice projects or work on some scrap first. That repair would be a tough first-attempt. Welding into that corner is a PITA because you won't be able to see around the gun well. I did that very same repair about 2 years ago as my 3rd welding project and it turned out alright, but if it had been my first project I would have made a big mess. By "a couple of practice projects" I don't mean you need 300 hours behind the gun - Just an hour or two of practice and you should be ready to go. Be sure to practice on steel the same guage as your repair (14 guage?) so you have your technique, speed, and heat worked out before you dive in.
It'll turn out great. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 2 2003, 06:41 PM
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Anything is repairable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Apr 2 2003, 06:43 PM
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Man, Why is everyones car rusted in the same place? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Apr 2 2003, 06:46 PM
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Is that a serious question?

Because the battery is poorly placed, and tended to leak acid, as rainwater washed down over the area. The body was never given any rustproofing (such as e-coat) from the factory. Over time, and because of battery design in the 70s and 80s (pre-Optima type battery), it became a huge problem for our babies.

I've seen far worse.

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post Apr 2 2003, 06:53 PM
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QUOTE(Lawrence @ Apr 2 2003, 04:46 PM)
Is that a serious question?

nope, seanery is just trying to be me and DD, postwise that is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Apr 2 2003, 07:01 PM
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I can't believe I got passed by 2 people!

Damn, I gotta post more.


Lawrence, no, it was not a serious question, but I'm sure there is a newbie somewhere who may not know.
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post Apr 2 2003, 07:12 PM
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post Apr 2 2003, 07:17 PM
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post Apr 2 2003, 07:22 PM
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This topic, and these pics are making me feel great (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy11.gif)

Mine aint bad, aint too bad at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/aktion035.gif)

DMAN, yours looks great :finger2: (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Apr 2 2003, 07:45 PM
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This one was a goner too. Rusted right though the frame rail. When I got it the battery just sat down there spilling acid onto the the rail. It was all rusty and paper thin.
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try this again....
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