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> Is this 911 engine any good for a 914 swap?, Engine number inside..
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post Aug 26 2009, 04:49 PM
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I can get my hands on this engine very reasonably would it be a good choice for a 914 swap or would a 3.0 or a 3.2 be a better bet?

Engine number 6151404 1975 2.7 with cis
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post Aug 26 2009, 06:06 PM
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Rod, sounds like the 150hp/235lbs/ft version. Has it got a 5 blade fan?
You'll love a six in your car. Good thing about 2.7 is it can use the six bolt 901 flywheel, although these are hard to get now so buying a nine bolt conversion flywheel from patrick might even be easier.
I would recommend the smaller engines too (2.2 + 2.4)
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post Aug 26 2009, 07:34 PM
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A decent 2.7L will give you wood!
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post Aug 26 2009, 07:58 PM
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i would like it...

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post Aug 26 2009, 08:47 PM
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What shape is the motor in?
Has it had all the 2.7 "stuff" done to it?

Fix the stuff that usually breaks on a 27 ands stuff it on in there. Your car will be a little rocket ship.
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post Aug 26 2009, 09:16 PM
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not to discourage a six build but why did theat 2.7 get taken out of the 911 in the first place
with the current prices on 3.0 i would much prefer to have an aluminun block in place, and cheaper to rebuild than a 2.7 mag case
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post Aug 27 2009, 03:51 PM
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in the long run you will be better off with the 3.0 or 3.2..the 3.2 with motrinic efi would be best...the 2.7 does not have all the up-dates a 3.0 has such as aluminum case, some have nick-seal cylinders..ultimatly any flat six is good but most any old 2.7 is going to need rebuilding and thats going to cost 10k to do it right and thats just for the parts....the newer the better plus a 3.2 will give you 250+hp. and around 200 for the 3.0...do you have any history on the engine? and whats the price your paying?i would not pay more than $1500 for a mystery 2.7..
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post Aug 27 2009, 04:04 PM
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I agree with Mike, in that if you are shopping for a new motor, go with the 3.0 (SC motor) or the 3.2 (carrera) motor.

The 2.7 motors are the most fragile in un-updated form and unless the motor was free will likely cost you more than the 3.0 or 3.2.

Of course, the years do matter with the 2.7 as the later 2.7's were installed with thermal reactors which pretty much killed them (heat) and they were often taken out and replaced with the newer motors. Also, the head studs are notorious for pulling out and the original fix by Porsche for this problem is failure prone as well.

SO, that is probably why we see more of them than any other series for sale.

NOW, I am no 911 engine guru, but this story about the 2.7 has been told ever since I was a kid and most everyone who has one that I know agrees, or has already been through this.

I hope this helped.
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post Aug 27 2009, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(Cupomeat @ Aug 27 2009, 11:04 PM) *

I hope this helped.


Helps a lot (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Enough to keep my wallet in my back pocket and hunt for that 3.2 Carrera I was looking for in the first place....

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post Aug 27 2009, 06:05 PM
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There are a lot of opinions here but apparently not much actual experience....with a few exceptions. I know a fella that has well over 200K miles on his (never opened) 2.7L and he flogs the thing regularly.

With any used motor one could ask "why was the engine removed....".
One could spend $10K..."just on parts" but I have no idea how.
No thermal reactors in the UK in 75', eh?

Ah well, this is the internet.....

All the 911 engines can have back holes just waiting to be filled with your dollars (pounds). All were good at one point in their lives. Pitfalls abound in any used motor. All are core motors unless you can see and hear them run. All are not equally expensive to rebuild.....but BS is free. The 2.7L is one of the least expensive due to parts availability (both new & used).

I know bout 2.7s. This one *may* be F/S in a couple weeks.


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post Aug 27 2009, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Aug 27 2009, 08:05 PM) *

I know bout 2.7s. This one *may* be F/S in a couple weeks.

i _may_ be interested. keep me posted...
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QUOTE(ArtechnikA @ Aug 27 2009, 06:59 PM) *

QUOTE(J P Stein @ Aug 27 2009, 08:05 PM) *

I know bout 2.7s. This one *may* be F/S in a couple weeks.

i _may_ be interested. keep me posted...


Be advised, it uses race gas.......but it's a hoot & smells gud. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Aug 27 2009, 08:05 PM
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I'm with JP on this... a 2.7 can be quite a nice motor. Pushes a light 914 very well, thank you!
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post Aug 27 2009, 08:09 PM
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QUOTE(BKLA @ Aug 27 2009, 07:05 PM) *

I'm with JP on this... a 2.7 can be quite a nice motor. Pushes a light 914 very well, thank you!


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post Aug 27 2009, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE(J P Stein @ Aug 27 2009, 10:04 PM) *

Be advised, it uses race gas.......but it's a hoot & smells gud. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

can't see the dizzy but there's only one coil so I'm guessing it's still single ignition. Another set of plugs could put it in the 93-octane pump gas region for light use, i'm thinking...
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post Aug 27 2009, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE(ArtechnikA @ Aug 27 2009, 07:10 PM) *

QUOTE(J P Stein @ Aug 27 2009, 10:04 PM) *

Be advised, it uses race gas.......but it's a hoot & smells gud. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

can't see the dizzy but there's only one coil so I'm guessing it's still single ignition. Another set of plugs could put it in the 93-octane pump gas region for light use, i'm thinking...


True, single plug.....it was a NOS 74 Euro Carrera dizzy a few years back, BTW.....not cheep these days. A guy could swap out the pistons ......new JEs 9.5:1 for close to a wash with the sale of the Mahles. A good twin plug set-up is pricy.

The good news is a prospective customer (or his represenative) could take a trip up the street with me to a chassis dyno and get a new set of numbers.
There is an iron in the fire (or 2) to avoid parting out the car.....we'll see.
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post Aug 27 2009, 09:22 PM
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JP that distributor I sold you is for sale on 911S registry for 1200 nos
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post Aug 27 2009, 09:45 PM
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post Aug 27 2009, 09:51 PM
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I like mine.....I am redoing a bad mistake now that has cost me About $4k (newly recoated nikasil cyl's , new JE pistons, new DC40 cams, refurbished rockers, rebuilt heads (3 angle grind etc) and the parts and bits to assemble.

Itwas a sick (as in poor running) engine in my teener and would still rocket around....I'd recommend a 2.7

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post Aug 27 2009, 10:44 PM
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A properly prepared 2.7 is a hoot, and a lot of fun in a 914 chassis! Yes, it is not as robust as a 3.0, but it is not all that bad if properly prepared. After all, what did the awe inspiring 911RS use? Any of these old engines are $$$$$ to rebuild properly!

Nice article in the new issue of Hemmings Sports & Exotic Car (October issue) on the 911RS (in big bumper form)
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