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> Where is Ground Connection"B" ?
kenshapiro2002
post Sep 23 2009, 12:21 PM
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Where is the ground numbered #83 (Ground connection "B") on a 1970 914? It's not the one in the rear trunk, and not the one by each headlight. It's the one that grounds all the dash switches, door switches, fan and heater switch, etc.
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post Sep 23 2009, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 10:21 AM) *

Where is the ground numbered #83 (Ground connection "B") on a 1970 914? It's not the one in the rear trunk, and not the one by each headlight. It's the one that grounds all the dash switches, door switches, fan and heater switch, etc.

Behind the dash, drivers side.

Unscrew the fuse panel and let it hang down and you should be able to see it.
You might have to practice your rubber-neck routine beforehand ...

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post Sep 23 2009, 12:26 PM
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Great...out to the garage again...slide in backwards...fight the mosquitoes...and clean. If this doesn't do it...wanna buy a car? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/WTF.gif)

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QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 10:21 AM) *

Where is the ground numbered #83 (Ground connection "B") on a 1970 914? It's not the one in the rear trunk, and not the one by each headlight. It's the one that grounds all the dash switches, door switches, fan and heater switch, etc.

Behind the dash, drivers side.

Unscrew the fuse panel and let it hang down and you should be able to see it.
You might have to practice your rubber-neck routine beforehand ...

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post Sep 23 2009, 12:32 PM
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Don't give up Ken!!!

Electical problems are only second to oil pressure problems when it comes to frustration.

Not only can you figure this out, but once you do, you will feel like you have mastered your car.

That is a good feeling.
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post Sep 23 2009, 12:44 PM
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I was just kidding...I am actually having fun. That connection under the fuse box where "Cupofmeat" sent me is where a bunch of red (hot) wires meet up. I'm looking for the connection point for all of the ground wires (brown) convene for the dash electrics.


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Don't give up Ken!!!

Electical problems are only second to oil pressure problems when it comes to frustration.

Not only can you figure this out, but once you do, you will feel like you have mastered your car.

That is a good feeling.
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post Sep 23 2009, 12:46 PM
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Ooops...meant Sir Andy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 02:44 PM) *

I was just kidding...I am actually having fun. That connection under the fuse box where "Cupofmeat" sent me is where a bunch of red (hot) wires meet up. I'm looking for the connection point for all of the ground wires (brown) convene for the dash electrics.


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Don't give up Ken!!!

Electical problems are only second to oil pressure problems when it comes to frustration.

Not only can you figure this out, but once you do, you will feel like you have mastered your car.

That is a good feeling.
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post Sep 23 2009, 12:49 PM
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its there on the inner fender above the fuse box...its not easy to see.
Its up there pretty high.

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its there on the inner fender above the fuse box...its not easy to see.
Its up there pretty high.


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post Sep 23 2009, 12:56 PM
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Remove speaker housing and heater pipe for easier access iirc.
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post Sep 23 2009, 12:58 PM
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OK...thanks guys...here I go again.
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post Sep 23 2009, 12:58 PM
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There's also one by the relay board in the engine compartment you'll want to clean.
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post Sep 23 2009, 01:00 PM
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Did that one and the one for that battery yesterday. Dremeled all the paint off at the base...coated with dielectric grease, even polished up the washers and nuts (not mine, but close...not much room to work back there).


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There's also one by the relay board in the engine compartment you'll want to clean.
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post Sep 23 2009, 01:03 PM
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Don't forget the ground strap on your transmission.

While you're in there.
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post Sep 23 2009, 01:06 PM
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"While you're in there"? I'm under the dash...how long do you think my arms are? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif)





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Don't forget the ground strap on your transmission.

While you're in there.
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post Sep 23 2009, 01:24 PM
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Hey, just remember that there is no "F" in Cup O'Meat!

If you want to know what that is all about check out some of our recent work (as the website is in flux) at

http://vimeo.com/channels/cupomeat

Knowing how long your arms are, you could probably surf the web while fixing the ground problem on both the gearbox AND the fuse panel. I guess, maybe you need 3 eyes... LOL
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post Sep 23 2009, 02:10 PM
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Watched a bit...still not sure exactly what "Cup O' Meat" is (sorry). Hobby? Business? Art? All three?


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Hey, just remember that there is no "F" in Cup O'Meat!

If you want to know what that is all about check out some of our recent work (as the website is in flux) at

http://vimeo.com/channels/cupomeat

Knowing how long your arms are, you could probably surf the web while fixing the ground problem on both the gearbox AND the fuse panel. I guess, maybe you need 3 eyes... LOL
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post Sep 23 2009, 02:26 PM
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OK...ground connection #83 was not that hard to get to...didn't need to remove the speaker cover or heater hose. It's right on the back of the spot where the reds all came together. It was just hiding from my eyes. It was very clean, but I "worked it" even more. Didn't address my problem. I'll do the tranny ground strap tomorrow, but I;m betting its not the issue, based on the following:

Problem didn't exist when I bought the car two months ago, and didn't surface until I started doing work on the speedo and the brake lights. Evidence suggests It has something to do with either the work I did on the speedo ( wihch included taking off the steering wheel), or the brake lights (they wee not working until I adjusted the brake light switch).

Speedo is now out again, and problem still exists. Steering wheel is off and problem still exists.

So, when I turn on the ignition, all is quiet. Turning on signals, radio, wipers, headlights, or hitting the brakes, causes the flasher relay thing (rectangular upright thing behind the dash that mounts in the far left recesses of the dash) to chatter at 10x it's normal speed. If I then turn off whatever device caused it to start this chatter, the chatter continues until I turn off the ignition. There must be some evidence in the fact that any electrical load from any switch causes only that flasher to squawk.
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post Sep 23 2009, 02:51 PM
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You mention you adjusted the brake light switch. What happens when you unplug it?
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post Sep 23 2009, 02:54 PM
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My gremlin still exists with the switch unplugged.


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You mention you adjusted the brake light switch. What happens when you unplug it?
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post Sep 23 2009, 03:01 PM
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Speedo is now out again, and problem still exists. Steering wheel is off and problem still exists.

Take out all gauges, remove the face-plate and inspect the top of the switches.

Either something fell on to one and is shorting out a switch or one or more wires got lose when you pulled the speedo the first time.

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