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| Cupomeat |
 Sep 23 2009, 03:02 PM
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missing my NY 914 in VA  Group: Members Posts: 1,336 Joined: 26-November 07 From: Oakton VA Member No.: 8,376 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region  |
Hobby and art, but not much business...
The movies don't explain the creation of Cup o'meat, sorry, just what we are. the name came from a 1993 idea about a bare bones fast food restaurant that never came to fruition. It them morphed into the production company it is now. QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 04:10 PM)  Watched a bit...still not sure exactly what "Cup O' Meat" is (sorry). Hobby? Business? Art? All three? QUOTE(Cupomeat @ Sep 23 2009, 03:24 PM) Hey, just remember that there is no "F" in Cup O'Meat! If you want to know what that is all about check out some of our recent work (as the website is in flux) at http://vimeo.com/channels/cupomeat Knowing how long your arms are, you could probably surf the web while fixing the ground problem on both the gearbox AND the fuse panel. I guess, maybe you need 3 eyes... LOL |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Sep 23 2009, 03:06 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
"Remove the face plate"...you mean the surround that holds the three gauges?
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Sep 23 2009, 05:01 PM) QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 12:26 PM) Speedo is now out again, and problem still exists. Steering wheel is off and problem still exists. Take out all gauges, remove the face-plate and inspect the top of the switches. Either something fell on to one and is shorting out a switch or one or more wires got lose when you pulled the speedo the first time. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/popcorn[1].gif) Andy |
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| SirAndy |
Sep 23 2009, 04:05 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,688 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 01:06 PM) "Remove the face plate"...you mean the surround that holds the three gauges? Do you see any other face-plates with gauges in it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Yes, the big black thing with three large holes. Once removed, you'll have a little bit better access to the switches. One of them flexible mirrors comes in handy when working on this stuff ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Sep 23 2009, 05:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
"Take out all the gauges, remove the face plate", could also mean the individual face plates on each gauge. That would mean getting out the dynamite. Doing that to the speedo, sucked! Off to the garage!
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Sep 23 2009, 06:05 PM) QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 01:06 PM) "Remove the face plate"...you mean the surround that holds the three gauges? Do you see any other face-plates with gauges in it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Yes, the big black thing with three large holes. Once removed, you'll have a little bit better access to the switches. One of them flexible mirrors comes in handy when working on this stuff ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif) Andy |
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| SirAndy |
Sep 23 2009, 05:18 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,688 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 03:07 PM) "Take out all the gauges, remove the face plate", could also mean the individual face plates on each gauge. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Sep 23 2009, 06:04 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I'm not nuts...just stupid (at least about this stuff...for now). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Sep 23 2009, 07:18 PM) QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 03:07 PM) "Take out all the gauges, remove the face plate", could also mean the individual face plates on each gauge. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Sep 23 2009, 06:07 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Alright...new evidence. I have all the gauges dangling and nothing is loose or missing that I can see or feel, but check this out... When I turn on the ignition, and make the flasher click like crazy by turning on the lights, radio, wipers...anything, I can make it stop by turning on the emergency flasher! Once the emergency flashers are on, everything else works fine and the buzzing stops.
I'm guessing this is because the flasher relay is getting more juice and Ill just have to ride around all the time with my 4 ways on, or is this some evidence of where the problem lies? |
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| ghuff |
Sep 23 2009, 06:19 PM
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This is certainly not what I expected down here. Group: Members Posts: 849 Joined: 21-May 09 From: Bodymore Murderland Member No.: 10,389 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Don't mind Sir Andy.
He has a little chip on his shoulder, and likes to make you feel stupid I think to make himself feel a little better about himself. Meanwhile the knowledge he uses to do this is fairly trivial, but whatever floats his boat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Sep 23 2009, 06:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I love Sir Andy...been a great help. I didn;t really think he was trying to belittle me at all, he just didn't realize how uneducated I am about this shit. No offense at all.
QUOTE(ghuff @ Sep 23 2009, 08:19 PM) Don't mind Sir Andy. He has a little chip on his shoulder, and likes to make you feel stupid I think to make himself feel a little better about himself. Meanwhile the knowledge he uses to do this is fairly trivial, but whatever floats his boat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Sep 23 2009, 06:26 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Never mind...It only worked for a little while.
QUOTE(kenshapiro2002 @ Sep 23 2009, 08:07 PM) Alright...new evidence. I have all the gauges dangling and nothing is loose or missing that I can see or feel, but check this out... When I turn on the ignition, and make the flasher click like crazy by turning on the lights, radio, wipers...anything, I can make it stop by turning on the emergency flasher! Once the emergency flashers are on, everything else works fine and the buzzing stops. I'm guessing this is because the flasher relay is getting more juice and Ill just have to ride around all the time with my 4 ways on, or is this some evidence of where the problem lies? |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Sep 23 2009, 06:29 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Alright...check this out...everything is hanging all over the place. The speedometer light bulbs, still in their sockets , are hanging down right in front of the ignition. With ignition off, I pull on the headlights, and the bulbs light up if they are touching the metal around the ignition. Is that kosher?
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| ghuff |
Sep 23 2009, 06:30 PM
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This is certainly not what I expected down here. Group: Members Posts: 849 Joined: 21-May 09 From: Bodymore Murderland Member No.: 10,389 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Yes, I like it when people act insulted over the possibility of ambiguous text myself. It is good to know that I always have him there for a reference of those who are better than I.
He has been a big help to me as well! I would not be where I am without him in my project! Start looking for broken wires and things that could short. The electronics are not only weird in these cars but apparently that flasher relay interconnects to a bunch of random crap. Maybe you can run without it? Crack it open and see if it's all corroded or shorted inside? |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Sep 23 2009, 06:40 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I assume it just pulls upwards? What a weird spot to put something in that might have to be replaced one day. Even if it were corroded (this car is very clean and was stored for years in a heated, garage) I wouldn't think other devices and switches would set it off, would they?
QUOTE(ghuff @ Sep 23 2009, 08:30 PM) Yes, I like it when people act insulted over the possibility of ambiguous text myself. It is good to know that I always have him there for a reference of those who are better than I. He has been a big help to me as well! I would not be where I am without him in my project! Start looking for broken wires and things that could short. The electronics are not only weird in these cars but apparently that flasher relay interconnects to a bunch of random crap. Maybe you can run without it? Crack it open and see if it's all corroded or shorted inside? |
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| SirAndy |
Sep 23 2009, 06:48 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,688 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(ghuff @ Sep 23 2009, 04:19 PM) Don't mind Sir Andy. He has a little chip on his shoulder, and likes to make you feel stupid I think to make himself feel a little better about himself. Meanwhile the knowledge he uses to do this is fairly trivial, but whatever floats his boat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) If i remember correctly, that was *your* chip sitting on my shoulder ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/yellowsleep[1].gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Sep 23 2009, 06:50 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,688 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
QUOTE(ghuff @ Sep 23 2009, 04:30 PM) ... that flasher relay interconnects to a bunch of random crap ... And you call my knowledge 'trivial' ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) |
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| ghuff |
Sep 23 2009, 07:03 PM
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This is certainly not what I expected down here. Group: Members Posts: 849 Joined: 21-May 09 From: Bodymore Murderland Member No.: 10,389 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Sep 23 2009, 04:50 PM) QUOTE(ghuff @ Sep 23 2009, 04:30 PM) ... that flasher relay interconnects to a bunch of random crap ... And you call my knowledge 'trivial' ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Yeah, it is. Very trivial. Sorry. Just like your existence, trivial with an attempt to make yourself feel superior scoffing at others for almost no reason. Anyone with wiring diagrams can read them and find it out. In fact I would rather do that than deal with reading some whiney text from you in the internet compensating for something else lacking in your life. I can only imagine the raging mental internet elitist boner you probably have while sitting there attempting to write snarky replies and roll eyes a plenty. Must be pretty pathetic living in your world. Sorry to burst your bubble, but like you said to me, you are nothing special. Plenty of people know how to do this. If you want respect you are going about it the wrong way. It's nice you want to help, but being a snobbish dick to people while doing so is pretty lame. It's nice to socialize and share/help, but beating down others to make yourself feel better is pathetic. PS Ken I have a copy of the 914 & 914/6 group 9 wiring diagrams. It appears to be a complete pdf scan of all the wiring diagrams throughout production. PM me and I can get them to you offline so you can trace this all. Or if you are local you can bring it by my place afte this weekend and we can look at it in person. I promise I wont roll my eyes, turn my nose in the air or act better than you because I might be able to read a wiring diagram. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Sep 23 2009, 07:12 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
More "evidence". Pulling fuse #8 stops the chattering. Now, depending on whether I believe the Haynes manual or the owners manual...
Haynes says it controls (brake, blinker, backup lights, wiper, & cigarette lighter) Owner's Manual says it controls (wipers, ventilator, horn & cigarette lighter) |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Sep 23 2009, 07:17 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
Guys...you two obviously have some history, but I don't feel attacked, belittles or anything even close to that. I'm appreciating the help both of you are providing...really.
Anyway, just went out and turned the lights on (no ignition) and the lights that were dangling against the ignition started smoking, popping and gt VERY hot. No fuses burned out and doesn't look like anything got fried. |
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| kenshapiro2002 |
Sep 23 2009, 07:22 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 1,441 Joined: 23-July 09 From: Bawlmer, MD Member No.: 10,598 Region Association: MidAtlantic Region |
I have all of the schematics for all of the years in the Haynes manual (not doing me much good right now). Helped me to trace the handbrake switch, the brake swt=itch and everything else that's not solving this mystery.
QUOTE(ghuff @ Sep 23 2009, 09:03 PM) QUOTE(SirAndy @ Sep 23 2009, 04:50 PM) QUOTE(ghuff @ Sep 23 2009, 04:30 PM) ... that flasher relay interconnects to a bunch of random crap ... And you call my knowledge 'trivial' ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) Yeah, it is. Very trivial. Sorry. Just like your existence, trivial with an attempt to make yourself feel superior scoffing at others for almost no reason. Anyone with wiring diagrams can read them and find it out. In fact I would rather do that than deal with reading some whiney text from you in the internet compensating for something else lacking in your life. I can only imagine the raging mental internet elitist boner you probably have while sitting there attempting to write snarky replies and roll eyes a plenty. Must be pretty pathetic living in your world. Sorry to burst your bubble, but like you said to me, you are nothing special. Plenty of people know how to do this. If you want respect you are going about it the wrong way. It's nice you want to help, but being a snobbish dick to people while doing so is pretty lame. It's nice to socialize and share/help, but beating down others to make yourself feel better is pathetic. PS Ken I have a copy of the 914 & 914/6 group 9 wiring diagrams. It appears to be a complete pdf scan of all the wiring diagrams throughout production. PM me and I can get them to you offline so you can trace this all. Or if you are local you can bring it by my place afte this weekend and we can look at it in person. I promise I wont roll my eyes, turn my nose in the air or act better than you because I might be able to read a wiring diagram. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lol-2.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/beerchug.gif) |
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| SirAndy |
Sep 23 2009, 07:32 PM
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Resident German Group: Admin Posts: 41,688 Joined: 21-January 03 From: Oakland, Kalifornia Member No.: 179 Region Association: Northern California |
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