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> OT: Saturn no longer a carmaker, and Pluto no longer a planet.
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post Oct 1 2009, 10:41 AM
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The Penske-Saturn deal has fallen through because Penske couldn't find another manufacturer from whom to source cars after 2011.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/30/news/compa...sion=2009093019

Saturn sold some of GM's best products for the US market over the past 15 years (along with some duds too), including perhaps the best daily driver I've ever owned.

Damn shame that GM pretty much strangled "the Saturn experiment" in its adolescence. Turning it into Opel's US arm was a promising rebound. Oh well.
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post Oct 1 2009, 10:52 AM
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So I should cancel my plans for a Saturn powered 914???
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post Oct 1 2009, 11:02 AM
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Hype mobiles... I never drank the kool aid, not going to be missed. Kudos to Marketing.

I will give them some credit for starting to swing how customers were treated at dealerships.

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post Oct 1 2009, 11:35 AM
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What's the status of Uranus?
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post Oct 1 2009, 11:57 AM
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QUOTE(zymurgist @ Oct 1 2009, 10:35 AM) *

What's the status of Uranus?


Mine's feelin' fine. Thanks for asking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/shades.gif)
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post Oct 1 2009, 12:15 PM
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Seriously folks... I thought Saturn was a pretty cool name for a car company... but then again, I was a Star Trek geek from an early age and I wanted a Jupiter 8.

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post Oct 1 2009, 12:33 PM
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Yes, it was a great name for a car company and the ideas were great, they just failed to produce a quality product that was competitive WITHOUT the gimmick of no haggle pricing.

Besides the Opel stuff of late, I never drove a saturn that was worth anything.

Shame on GM for doing this to itself.
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post Oct 1 2009, 12:46 PM
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I love my 05 VUE. The engine is Honda, as far as I know, though. 250hp V6 AWD, plastic dent proof body panels.
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post Oct 1 2009, 12:52 PM
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QUOTE(Dr Evil @ Oct 1 2009, 02:46 PM) *

plastic dent proof body panels


Saturn was ahead of the curve with these. I remember when Saturns came out, it was a major selling point. "No more parking lot dings!"

Meanwhile, I'm still parking my steel Acura off by itself in the parking lot. Painful memories of a huge dent in the quarter panel of my Neon.
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post Oct 1 2009, 12:58 PM
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Had an SW2 with 185,000 and never need any service. It constantly got 40mi/gal, too bad it was ugly.
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post Oct 1 2009, 01:01 PM
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when did we lose pluto???
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post Oct 1 2009, 01:01 PM
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You should see them get bumped in Winter time. I've seen 2 panels nearly explode when it's cold, they shatter.
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post Oct 1 2009, 01:08 PM
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when did we lose pluto???
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Ask this guy.

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post Oct 1 2009, 01:13 PM
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I heard it !......I try not to look at them
especially the litttle fake convertible
sports poop. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bs.gif)
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post Oct 1 2009, 01:15 PM
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What's to become of Uranus?
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post Oct 1 2009, 01:20 PM
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Pluto I would miss But............Uranus you can
keep it! LOL
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post Oct 1 2009, 01:38 PM
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Actually, I'm sadder about losing Pluto as a planet.

I used to teach Astronomy and Physics at a Planetarium in Reno back in the mid-70's. One by one, every thing I used to teach has been disproven (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused24.gif)

As for the POS Saturn I owned for a few years, that thing never did run right. I finally drove it off a cliff (figuratively) when it couldn't meet emission controls and Nevada refused to register it.

At least Pluto never cost me any money (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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post Oct 1 2009, 02:23 PM
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I bought a new LS1 in its first model year, 2000. This was the mid-size Saturn. (Anybody remember the ads: "The next Big thing from Saturn"?) Ordered it in Silver with black interior, ABS with TCS, sunroof, most options... but stuck with the 137hp 4cyl in order to get a stick. It used a Saab 5-speed transmission from the GM parts bin.

That car gave me virtually no trouble, got 28-32 mpg, handled New England winters incredibly well, and was fun to drive. Not terribly quick, although I once got it to 105 at around 4am on I-95. I let it go after 7 years with 97K miles.

Never once left me stranded - even after sitting in a snowy parking lot for 2 weeks. And the seats were all-day comfortable with decent bolstering for a sedan.
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post Oct 1 2009, 02:34 PM
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I once rented a Vue, and it seemed to work OK (however an interior trim piece did fall off during the week we had it). I imagine that Penske would have made them better than GM in the long-run. He's not known as a bad businessman, and has certainly earned all the automotive honors that can be earned.

I only wonder why GM decided to kill off the Pontiac brand, and kept Buick? Just wait till we start getting products from the new GM (Government Motors?). I think of all the retired, great engineers that have worked there that must be just shaking their heads in disbelief of what's happening. But then, remember that there were many, many more manufacturers in the early days of automobiles. In the end, only the strong seem to survive.
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post Oct 1 2009, 02:43 PM
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If the Penske sale had gone thru he who have raced a Saturn at Indy.
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