I left 914 ownership when my black V8 powered car burned in the Walmart parking lot some 2 years ago. I've been driving a Mercedes CL65 AMG as a replacement, but it's time to return. I'm trying to make a deal on a project car being built in Orange County Ca. and hope to get the deal done soon. The MB is nice but nothing is quite like a 914. Surely the new project is going to have more than 4 cylinders but less than 12 like the MB. Crossing my fingers !
drive-ability
Sep 12 2013, 10:10 PM
Hopefully I can get the deal done ! His build was to use the complete 996 front and rear suspension, from the cradle /sub-frame etc. Is that common ? My old black v8 car had early 911 brakes but thats about it. Looks like everything fits nicely. The engine is a LS1 using a G-50, 5 speed. My old car used a 930 4 speed and it took everything my old school SBC could dish out fine. Is the G-50 built to handle 400 fp/torque ? The quality of the framing, welding and execution is way above my pay grade. My ideas areOK but my execution sucks We will be getting together over the weekend. Here is a picture of the car, sorry its still very raw at this stage. IMO you can'really see how well things are done from the photo.
zambezi
Sep 12 2013, 10:15 PM
wow very ambitious
Mike Bellis
Sep 12 2013, 10:18 PM
WOW! Looks like a project, but a cool one. How fast can you get it together?
Andyrew
Sep 12 2013, 10:19 PM
Wow!!
Thats an awesome build!
That could seriously take years to finish though...
Headers go forwards then turn back??
drive-ability
Sep 13 2013, 11:03 PM
The picture shows how the 996 suspension bolts into the custom sub-frame and uses the 996 side wheel base as well. That means among other things the use of factory parts like axles. There are shims set in place to raise or lower the body.The front is set up the in the same fashion. I'm sure it will be in the garage a very long time !
bulitt
Sep 14 2013, 03:02 AM
I think JRust is parting with a steel flared LS1 project if this one seems to ambitious.
Cairo94507
Sep 14 2013, 07:57 AM
Oh my! THat looks to be an incredible build. That will be one serious car when it gets finished. Good luck with the deal.
Eric_Shea
Sep 14 2013, 08:20 AM
Oh Dear... what will the neighbors say?
rick 918-S
Sep 14 2013, 08:40 AM
QUOTE(Eric_Shea @ Sep 14 2013, 09:20 AM)
Oh Dear... what will the neighbors say?
Remember that? effin nose trouble!
JeffBowlsby
Sep 14 2013, 10:05 AM
That there is a $100000 914. Well, $50K if the labor is free.
drive-ability
Sep 14 2013, 11:44 AM
Don't talk about noise.thank god that nightmare is over. my new neighbors are great. .yeah it's ambitious but the really hard work is done. I don't care about labor whats the difference work on 1 car you work on another. going to meet with the owner now.
drive-ability
Sep 14 2013, 09:13 PM
I am happy to say the deal got done !!! Here is a shot of the engine bay from another view. The flairs at the rear are all welded up and look very nice. I like the gt flairs but for me this style is what I am most fond of. I have a lot of work ahead of me but am happy to say my neighbors are great !!!! Theres no issues where I am now ! I just hope I can continue to keep with the build standard the p.o. had. The pictures don't at all show the quality craftsmanship done by the p.o. Way above my fabrication ability. HST I did pay a lot for the car considering it's a long way from running.
drive-ability
Sep 14 2013, 09:17 PM
Here is a picture of the shift linkage and the rear trans mount. The linkage uses a single rod I think just as the 911 does. Seems to work well.
r_towle
Sep 14 2013, 09:23 PM
Just don't go to walmart with this one....
Mike Bellis
Sep 14 2013, 09:25 PM
More pictures please!
drive-ability
Sep 14 2013, 10:56 PM
QUOTE(r_towle @ Sep 14 2013, 07:23 PM)
Just don't go to walmart with this one....
Wow you remember, every time I drive into the Walmart parking lot I started to get stressed. For the longest time the burn spot was visible on the black-top.
I didn't set foot in that parking lot for almost a year. I would have liked to have stuffed my old neighbor in the car just before it went up in flames. That way my car wouldn't have died in vane !!! (Just kidding NSA)
JRust
Sep 15 2013, 12:24 AM
Wow congrats! That is one sweet looking project. That suspension work will be killer once it's roadworthy again. Absolutely great way to get back to the madness
Chris H.
Sep 15 2013, 06:15 AM
Awesome man, nice to have you back. The wide-body look is cool. Reminds me of the Rabbit with the 928 engine that was widened a few inches.
Here is a view of the rear suspension, I'm now looking over every nut and bolt.
Mike Bellis
Sep 22 2013, 09:45 PM
Awesome!
That's the kind of project I need.
Get that thing running!!!
914_teener
Sep 22 2013, 10:25 PM
QUOTE(drive-ability @ Sep 14 2013, 09:56 PM)
QUOTE(r_towle @ Sep 14 2013, 07:23 PM)
Just don't go to walmart with this one....
Wow you remember, every time I drive into the Walmart parking lot I started to get stressed. For the longest time the burn spot was visible on the black-top.
I didn't set foot in that parking lot for almost a year. I would have liked to have stuffed my old neighbor in the car just before it went up in flames. That way my car wouldn't have died in vane !!! (Just kidding NSA)
Nice project.
There's a Wallmart in Orange County?
drive-ability
Sep 22 2013, 11:01 PM
QUOTE(914_teener @ Sep 22 2013, 09:25 PM)
QUOTE(drive-ability @ Sep 14 2013, 09:56 PM)
QUOTE(r_towle @ Sep 14 2013, 07:23 PM)
Just don't go to walmart with this one....
Wow you remember, every time I drive into the Walmart parking lot I started to get stressed. For the longest time the burn spot was visible on the black-top.
I didn't set foot in that parking lot for almost a year. I would have liked to have stuffed my old neighbor in the car just before it went up in flames. That way my car wouldn't have died in vane !!! (Just kidding NSA)
Nice project.
There's a Wallmart in Orange County?
Walmart ? I don't need no stinking Walmart ! Well sometimes I get Freon there prices are good. Now I am looking over the engine, I have two sets of heads one stock and one is Zo6 / & ported. I'm thinking the stock ones will be fine. This engine (LSx) is new to me don't want to brake anything. Funny my wife thinks the 914 is the ugliest car period ! Oh well don't have to worry about her as a passenger. you should here her in the CL65, anytime I get on the throttle she screams I'm about to jump out of my seat. She would pass-out if I really nailed it on a cool night with the trac control off. I dont want to go there
drive-ability
Sep 26 2013, 01:00 AM
I have decided to remove the single bar shifter and go with a cable unit. I've seen a unit sold by a few vendors and they all look the same as to one sold by Cableshif.com. Has anyone used any of there shifters ? BTW, they need to hire a photo guy the product is the shifters not the transmissions !!!!
JRust
Sep 26 2013, 08:28 AM
You can get a cable shift out of a junk yard that will work great. I thought you were using a G50? Isn't that a cable shift tranny? Guess I need to read through your drivetrain info again. The boxer setup would work great. From shifter back is damn near perfect. Right length on the cables.
drive-ability
Sep 28 2013, 02:00 AM
QUOTE(JRust @ Sep 26 2013, 07:28 AM)
You can get a cable shift out of a junk yard that will work great. I thought you were using a G50? Isn't that a cable shift tranny? Guess I need to read through your drivetrain info again. The boxer setup would work great. From shifter back is damn near perfect. Right length on the cables.
I am using a G-50, the car came with a unfinished shaft style system. I think shifting is so important and building systems take so long getting one from someone who has done the R&R is worth the extra expense. Saving money using a used part is great as well.
Justinp71
Sep 28 2013, 08:51 AM
Wow that is an awesome project! Can't wait to see it done...
You might want to tape up those intake ports on the motor before you get too much junk in your motor... or drop a nut in there. I'd probably turn the motor over by hand a couple times too, to make sure the previous owner didn't drop anything in there either.
Nürburg Nomad
Sep 28 2013, 09:14 AM
I agree with the above comment! ^^^ and yes, while this is no doubt a lot of work ahead it looks like a project with an amazing foundation!
I would personally go for installing those Z06 heads, especially if you already have them. That motor takes very well to modifications and I don't think factory Z06 heads would be excessive relative to reliability. Either way... oodles of power!
Mike Bellis
Sep 28 2013, 09:20 AM
Just find a 2005-2008 Cayman S or Boxster S, 6 speed. You won't have to flip it and the shifting R&D is already done. I think the starter is in the right place (or close).
That's what I did... EDIT it comes with 108mm axle flanges that mate with 911/930 CV's Click to view attachment
The Caymon S transmission, is it as robust as the G-50 ? How about the bolt pattern and price ?
Mike Bellis
Sep 28 2013, 03:55 PM
The Cayman S is a GETRAG 466. Plenty stout. You would need a new adapter but you would not have to run it upside down. I got mine for $1000 shipped to my door. Most on ebay go for around $3000. What is the G50 worth? Sell it.
drive-ability
Sep 29 2013, 05:02 PM
It's always best to use parts as designed by the factory. Meaning a non flip and factory shift linkage I think my G-50 is worth about 1,500. Where can I get an adaptor for the LS1 to the Cayman S ? I haven't bought the clutch packages yet so now is the time to change course. Wonder, is the flywheel set up for the G-50 will work ? To me its critical for the shifting to be perfect. My old 930 box was a bit cumbersome and slow unless you just slam things around, it took all I could give it however My bet is the freeway rpm @ 70 mph would also be much better. Meaning lower RPM compared to the G-50. Again a very important feature ! I'll call Renegade maybe they can shine some light on the subject.
Mike Bellis
Sep 29 2013, 05:59 PM
QUOTE(drive-ability @ Sep 29 2013, 04:02 PM)
It's always best to use parts as designed by the factory. Meaning a non flip and factory shift linkage I think my G-50 is worth about 1,500. Where can I get an adaptor for the LS1 to the Cayman S ? I haven't bought the clutch packages yet so now is the time to change course. Wonder, is the flywheel set up for the G-50 will work ? To me its critical for the shifting to be perfect. My old 930 box was a bit cumbersome and slow unless you just slam things around, it took all I could give it however My bet is the freeway rpm @ 70 mph would also be much better. Meaning lower RPM compared to the G-50. Again a very important feature ! I'll call Renegade maybe they can shine some light on the subject.
Kennedy Engineered Products will have the adapter, flywheel, clutch, etc...
My tranny shifts perfect. Like a Cayman S...
drive-ability
Sep 29 2013, 11:08 PM
QUOTE(kg6dxn @ Sep 29 2013, 04:59 PM)
QUOTE(drive-ability @ Sep 29 2013, 04:02 PM)
It's always best to use parts as designed by the factory. Meaning a non flip and factory shift linkage I think my G-50 is worth about 1,500. Where can I get an adaptor for the LS1 to the Cayman S ? I haven't bought the clutch packages yet so now is the time to change course. Wonder, is the flywheel set up for the G-50 will work ? To me its critical for the shifting to be perfect. My old 930 box was a bit cumbersome and slow unless you just slam things around, it took all I could give it however My bet is the freeway rpm @ 70 mph would also be much better. Meaning lower RPM compared to the G-50. Again a very important feature ! I'll call Renegade maybe they can shine some light on the subject.
Kennedy Engineered Products will have the adapter, flywheel, clutch, etc...
My tranny shifts perfect. Like a Cayman S...
What engine are you running now ? Can you post or send me some pictures of your car and the transmission ? Thanks for the information !!!!
email stdot John at cox dot net
Mike Bellis
Sep 30 2013, 07:17 PM
QUOTE(drive-ability @ Sep 29 2013, 10:08 PM)
What engine are you running now ? Can you post or send me some pictures of your car and the transmission ? Thanks for the information !!!!
email stdot John at cox dot net
I cheated, sort of. I'm running an Audi 1.8T that happens to have the same bolt pattern as the Cayman S transmission. A direct bolt on conversion. Here is a pic of the engine and the old 5 speed. The 6 speed looks similar...
This is a very similar tranny to the Audi 01E that Andys is running with his LS1 914. The 01E is more pricey and harder to find since it is a Euro FWD only tranny. he Cayman S & Boxster S is a Getrag 466 which is also available with some Audi A8 vehicles. The Porsche version of the 466 comes with 108mm flanges. Not sure what the Audi version comes with. I bolted 930 CV's right to the flanges with 6 bolts in lieu of the stock 930 4 bolts and 2 pins.
Another alternative is importing an Audi TDI 5 speed from Europe. You will only have 5 gears but the ratios are almost perfect for a V8 AND the trannys go for around $400 with another $300 for shipping. Very stout trannys. The TDI 5 speed is hard to find in the US but UK ebay has a ton of them. That is where I got my 466. Mine was $700+$300 to ship.
drive-ability
Sep 30 2013, 10:29 PM
I see, nice to see things bolt up !! You got yours using Ebay - UK ? Interesting way. I see most USA G-466 units are around 22 to 29 hundred bucks. I don't want to get everything together and have it not work correctly. Add a few K and things work great, I've got to go that way !!!! Time to make more money
Mike Bellis
Oct 1 2013, 04:01 PM
QUOTE(drive-ability @ Sep 30 2013, 09:29 PM)
I see, nice to see things bolt up !! You got yours using Ebay - UK ? Interesting way. I see most USA G-466 units are around 22 to 29 hundred bucks. I don't want to get everything together and have it not work correctly. Add a few K and things work great, I've got to go that way !!!! Time to make more money
Trannies are cheaper in the UK. I was a little worried at the low price but I figured I could sell it as a core here and just about break even. TNT air shipped the tranny for just under $300. It arrived in the US in about 4 days and I picked it up at their warehouse 10 miles from my work.
BTW, the shift pattern is the same as in the US. Only the steering wheel and pedals are on the wrong side. Some think the pattern is reversed in the UK. It is not, for any car that I am aware of.
euro911
Oct 1 2013, 04:48 PM
Egads, John ... I must have missed the thread about your car burning up
Nice new project
I see you relocated too.
BIGKAT_83
Oct 1 2013, 04:56 PM
The Kennedy adapter for the Boxster transaxle to LS is $2k without a clutch kit. You can use the stock clutch set up from the boxster or you can go with a aftermarket clutch. Kennedy gets $1k for the clutch and pressureplate . You will also need a LS small high torque starter.
If I was you I'd keep the G50 it is a far stronger transaxle. The shifter set up on your car looks like its well made and will work great. Go look at the Ultima and GT40 kit car sites. They all use G50 transaxles and have some great shifter set ups.
Bob
drive-ability
Oct 2 2013, 11:11 PM
I have the axles for the G-50, will they work with the G-466 ? Getting the thing blasted soon, Who do you guys use ?
drive-ability
Oct 3 2013, 07:11 PM
QUOTE(BIGKAT_83 @ Oct 1 2013, 03:56 PM)
The Kennedy adapter for the Boxster transaxle to LS is $2k without a clutch kit. You can use the stock clutch set up from the boxster or you can go with a aftermarket clutch. Kennedy gets $1k for the clutch and pressureplate . You will also need a LS small high torque starter.
If I was you I'd keep the G50 it is a far stronger transaxle. The shifter set up on your car looks like its well made and will work great. Go look at the Ultima and GT40 kit car sites. They all use G50 transaxles and have some great shifter set ups.
Bob
Bob, Thanks for the input, and the idea to visit the GT 40 sites is fantastic. I am used to being able to hammer down the throttle so it would be easy for me to shred the G-466 If its not up to the task. I'll see how it stands up (G-466) in the GT-40 sites.
Mike Bellis
Oct 3 2013, 08:42 PM
I don't personally care which transmission you decide on. Here is some info on the G-466. This is the same tranny that is used in the AWD platform too. It must be able to handle some torque...
The POlet me borrow his rotisserie, this sure makes it easier to prep !!!!!
Working on the front flairs
The garage is getting some use !
I sent out all the suspension out to be soda blasted.
drive-ability
Dec 17 2013, 12:28 AM
I finely got my car epoxy coated, did it myself and will never do it again. Used Por-15 and its messy. The area outlined in red is where the PO added some nice framing. The quality of the work is clearly better than I could have ever done. That's the reason I bought this project along with the 996 suspension. Got a long way to go !!!!
rick 918-S
Dec 17 2013, 08:02 AM
Where did you get that lift?
drive-ability
Dec 17 2013, 10:07 PM
Rick, I got the lift from an online equipment co. about 2 years ago. It was around $ 2200 It works nice and moves around the garage on wheels quite easily.
drive-ability
Dec 19 2013, 11:53 PM
I had all my 996 suspension parts media blasted and now I'm painting them this color. Lots more to do ! They came from blasting a real flat aluminum color, just as I'm posting I thought instead of using an aluminum color paint maybe just a clear coat ? I will try that before I paint anymore parts !
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