Got a line on a 924. Needs some body work and has not been run is about 6 or 8 months. It was a donated vehicle and no price has been set. What is the general consensus on the 924 and would it be worth it if I could get it for $200 or $300 buck? I know it had an audi motor in it and was underpowered. But tell me a little more about them. What do you know about them?

as craig says..... double your money by filling the tank!
is it a 924s or a 924 with 4 lug rims
anyway.... put a v8 in it

Don't walk, RUN AWAY!!!

I believe it has a similar if not identical F.I. as the VW rabbits and scirroccos of the day. Bosch C.I.S.

Very reliable. Easy access to the overhead cam. Easy swap, decent aftermarket.

I'd buy it for a daily...

KT

I'd like to have one for a winter beater. Bound to be more fun than my saturn.

David

924s where very popular in Europe and Rest of the world market the 944 was or model.

Get it make it run a good beater, Rabbit front suspension with a strange combo of beatle rear suspension. It is slightly different, but I can bolt them rear arms up on a IRS VW pan for a good converion. If it is a turbo you get a 5 bolt pattren if not your back to 4 bolts. They can make a nice car balanced hndling but they feel bloated comparied to a 914.

V-8 swaps are well documented but I would do a small lite V-6 3800 Supercharged comes to mind or a 3800 Turbo.

So for 2 to 3 hundred dollars is it worth it to you.

If it was mine I would swap in a 1.8T motor out of an a-4 and pickup a early 944 suspension, and make it into a 924 GTR body kit, Oh that would be sweet.

its a german pinto , you can't save every car that you
see , the pinto parts are at least cheap

They are more under-rated than the 914. I had one when I was 16, and 17 years old. I drove it like I stole it, and it was absolutely indestructible. It got good gas mileage, it was adequetly powered- think 2.0 914 with stock motor. It had a great heater, and one of the coolest features was the Transmission. It was mounted in the rear with the diff. So you end up with a 51/49 weight distribution. It really did handle well for what it was. I can't really think of a better daily driver to be honest- aside from a vw diesel.

Tony

when they first came out, the beat the stock 914s in acceleration, on the Porsche test track and the slalom (sp?)

I like them...I'd take out the truck engine and put in a more modern motor...the 1.8T would be awesome

limited with the size of tires you can mount on them, but flares or being creative, I'm sure you can shove bigger meats on them

i say big body kit and a 1.8 t motor!
and 944 suspension...and .... and...5 lugs.....

Simply my personal opinion, but a stock older 924 does nothing for me. However, one of the cars I very much want to emulate is the 924 carrera GT/GTS. I almost bought an 87 924S with the intent of adding the GTS body kit and some go fast stuff. I think they are such pretty cars - there is something about the clear covered head lights and the flare shape that just works for me.

Both the 924GTS and the 83-85 Audi turbo quattro coupe ("ur quattro') are on my "some day" list as time, money and space allows.

If you like it, go for it. I would guese even though it is post 74 that rust would still be your biggest enemy

I like the S cars the others would depend on the quality of the specimen in question.

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jan 17 2005, 08:47 AM)

anyway.... put a v8 in it

Hi, I'm Bruce and I have a 924....


According to Scott at Renegrade the frame/trans on the 924 is too light for a V8 and that's why they stopped building kits for them. The 944 is a better candidate for the swap.

Porsche did start galvanising the bodys on the 924 and there was some problems with the paint sticking on the early ones (like my 77). Parts are cheap to aquire (used stuff). If you get it running it would be a fun ride.

I've seen Chevy 2.8 60° V6's in them....wouldn't be my 1st choice as a motor, but this swap was done many moons ago and the options for motors was not as nice as it is now....

LOL at the 914 crowd talking down on the 924's performance and quality.

NIx on the V8 into a 924, bad idea. Tranny isn't strong enough etc.
Use a 944 iffn that's what you want to do.

924s are cars you buy if they run and drive em til they break, then donate em for the tax right off.

Don't even think about buying one to fix up, bad move.

If it runs and doesn't need any immediate attention get it and treat it like a fun bic lighter. I always entertained the idea of buying beater 924s that ran (for less than a month's car payment) and then run em til the die and walk away. I never did because I don't like breaking down. They aren't bad cars really but they are seldom maintained at all. No one wants to put money into a car that is worth a tank of gas when it comes to re-sale.

Down here you can pick up a decent 944 runner for $2.5k, a running 924 is half that at the most.

In 1985 my roomate boughht a near new 924 turbo for waaaay too much money (around $12k IIRC).
A year later he had replaced two turbos and had to hit the dash real hard every few miles to get the gauges and lights to start working again.
It was one thing after another, he finally lost it and beat it up with a sledge hammer. He killed the car.

If hasnt run probably cause it dont run, Timing belt ?
Our local wrecking yard has a row of 924-944 decent cars bad motors.
If the maint on the belt isnt done it ruins the motor . more to fix than car is worth.
Check that out first . if it runs ,great.
924 Turbo's are kinda neat,
They use antifreeze? I am not familiar with that type of cooling.

.02 cents

I have owned a78 -924 for 2 years and a 85 -944 2 years
Have head swaps bent valves and belts for others.

It is a VW engine--old yes, but the market is still flooded with high-po stuff for that exact engine--same one that came in the scirocco and the oldRabbits-----basically the same block as the newer 1.8's and 2.0's--means it is solid. VW never really changed the block--just the heads, intake, etc..........Those things are in demand in Europe--guys hot them up and run the piss out of them all the time--when I was in France I saw about five dozen of them running around!!!!!!Light car, W/C, parts still available-( and most of them are farrrrr cheaper than for a teener!)

Oh and CIS!!! Man the stuff you could do with that!!! I would jump all over it like a rabid hound for 500 clams!!!

Engine swaps in smog cars are also a big pain in the ass in California. It's possible, but lots of trouble. The engine and the complete emissions system has to be in place and as new or newer than the chassis.

As for "more than the car is worth", hell, that describes most 914s. The 924 is exactly the kind of car I like: competent but unloved for totally irrational reasons, usually by people who've never owned one. This makes them cheap, and they stay cheap, and I get to drive a neat car for cheap. The 924/944 series are all way too cheap for what they are. A rusty, poor-running 240Z usually costs more than a halfway decent 924, and the 924 is just a fast, and handles better.

But for someone who knows nothing about them and it does not run, needs body work 300-400 bucks , There is a very small market for the used parts even to part out. If it ran and drove great deal , sitting unkown running condition a gamble unless that is what you are looking for.

85 944 for 900 .00 bucks ran great broken diff. same kinda deal but it ran. no mystery. They do handle nice balanced and have good heat.

Anything you can do to save a Porsche has to be positive. Even a 924.

Driven the 924's, 924S's and been in a 924GTS. I love the idea of installing a 1.8T with a chip to get 215hp or chip and a k04 turbo to get 245hp. Thats in the range of the 924GTS for not much money! The rest would be suspension parts and a body kit. Cheap 9254GTS clone.
Love this car here.

QUOTE (Bleyseng @ Jan 17 2005, 03:14 PM)

Driven the 924's, 924S's and been in a 924GTS. I love the idea of installing a 1.8T with a chip to get 215hp or chip and a k04 turbo to get 245hp. Thats in the range of the 924GTS for not much money! The rest would be suspension parts and a body kit. Cheap 9254GTS clone. Love this car here.

Do you guys get allot of rain up there or what--every outdoor pic I see on here from the seattle area everything is wet like it just rained

BOT--NICE car!!!

well, i guess i should say something here...

i have had a 944, 924s and an 81 924. I got the 924 for 300 usd and had every intent of making it a track car. I put 450usd in fuel pumps in the thing + some other stuff to get it running. With the bursch header and tune up i did, the car was a rocket. Before i got to get too involved i ended up getting my 924s and the teener. My advise, if it is decent and your not going to try to make it a 944 or something, they can be fun cars much like the teener. They handle great with little effort. Doing much like swapping wheel lug patterns, brakes etc can add up fast and youd be better off buying a 944 or an "s" right off the bat. I do like them though, mine was kinda rough..a dog had been living in it.

Having owned a $250 924, i bestow upon you my knowledge...

DO NOT get involved. Unless you have nearly $10,000 and 7 years to invest into one, avoid it like the plague. Finish your Shlalom first, then move on to a 924.

They do have a lighter body in comparison to the 944. They are only PVC coated on the undercairrage (looming rust problems) and the little 2.0 L engine that was in them was very anemic. As mentioned, only good thing is a 924S (944 engine in 924 body) or doing a V8/V6 conversion. Other than that, they're worthless. A 931 on the other hand... if you can find the "unobtainium" parts, would be a VERY fun little highway hopper.

QUOTE (sixnotfour @ Jan 17 2005, 12:10 PM)

If hasnt run probably cause it dont run, Timing belt ? Our local wrecking yard has a row of 924-944 decent cars bad motors. If the maint on the belt isnt done it ruins the motor . more to fix than car is worth. I have owned a78 -924 for 2 years and a 85 -944 2 years Have head swaps bent valves and belts for others.

a non-S 924 or 924 turbo is a non interference motor.
broken timing belts do not ruin the motor

no special tool is needed to change the rubber timing belt.
(I've done this job on a turbo myself)

Just thought add a few things and clear up some misinformation. The engine is a VW medium truck engine, and bears NO resemblance to the Rabbit/Scirocco engine. The only parts I can think of that are the same are the timing belt, the tensioner, and the oil filter. This engine is based on the old Audi 100LS block, which was pushrod, and has a crossflow OHC head. It is notoriously prone to getting flat cam lobes. MAJOR dollars to replace the cam and lifters. They suffer from an unpleasant vibration problem like most larger displacement motors. They eat rear mainshaft bearings in the 4 speed trannies, and the 79-80 908 style "snail" trannies are absolute junk. Door hinges are another known problem ........ they come off the body, causing the doors to fall off. The plastic dash stuff squeeks, groans, and rattles. The rest of the interior isn't all that much better. 931s eat turbos, routinely break exhaust hardware, and are widely accepted to be money pits of epic proportions. A great many of those were sold with 4 bolt suspensions, just like the 924s. Later 924s were available with the 5 bolt "sport" suspension package. 924s handle well out of the box, and can be easily and inexpensively improved. They have a very low C/D, and get pretty good fuel mileage. All in all, I'd rather have a series 1 GTi.

As someone who has been working on 924's for several years and still drive one EVERY day, Krust is right on. If the car needs nothing major it is a lot of fun. I installed 944 suspension with urethane bushings and GREATLY improved the feel of the car. The bottom end is bulletproof,the top end is not an issue with broken belts but is a major issue with head gaskets, and performance. A lot of head work can get you an extra 15-20 hp. If you buy the car go with a Bursch header, K&N intake and some quality plug wires. Bosch platinums are really good in these.Power wise I would compare it too a slighly modified 2.0 914, PITA wise later cars rarely rust bad, suroof always leaks, rear hatch seperates from frame and........leaks , but it is a fun car. My 82 is for sale for $1500 !!!!!!

QUOTE (jwalters @ Jan 17 2005, 10:17 PM)

Do you guys get allot of rain up there or what--every outdoor pic I see on here from the seattle area everything is wet like it just rained BOT--NICE car!!!

That car is in the Netherlands... which is about just as rainey as Seatle I guess
The car is from a friend of mine and I took Geoff for a ride in it
It's a GT (not a GTS). Think about it, it made a good, reliable 210bhp back in 1981!
Awesome car and performance, specially for that time

The regular 924 has a bit of a soap for soar eyes look these days, with it's weird skinny tires and narrow bodywork (sound familiar, huh )
But back in the days, it definatly had the best bang for buck. Faster than a VW GTI as about the same price and it could handle the speed (which the GTI couldn't).
Don't let anyone ever tell you it's got an Audi or a VW engine though, cause it does not... A lot of BS. Only the engine's main casing is from Audi

The 924S is a narrowbody version of a 944.
Porsche claimed it had a 150bhp engine (the 944 made 164bhp), but that's sales BS
Same friggin' engine and the car has a higher top speed because it has less aerodynamic drag

My dad's first P-car was a 924. And back then, it was cool as ....!
He also had a 924 turbo. Nasty turbo-lag, but when it kicked in at 3500rmp. Whoooo-hooooo

The 924 is no where near as fun as a 914 though. It feels heavy and sluggish and it will pretty much scrape the doorhandles over the tarmac in a corner.

They are the most underrated p-car out there, and that's sad. They were fabulous cars for their time. Very hard to find a nice and decent example...

Sorry, Jeroen, but the engine in a 924 IS a VW engine, specifically from an LT series light truck/van. At least that's what VW says. The Cap'n

There is a 924S that runs in our GT AX class that kicks our 914 ass when he runs. Very fast.

Geoff

QUOTE

a non-S 924 or 924 turbo is a non interference motor. broken timing belts do not ruin the motor

My bad , thanks Brant for clearing up.
maybe its just the intake boot popped off , no start . had this happen.924
My point is that you need to plan for thr worst , hope for the best, you never know about those donated cars.

QUOTE (Cap'n Krusty @ Jan 17 2005, 02:22 PM)

Sorry, Jeroen, but the engine in a 924 IS a VW engine, specifically from an LT series light truck/van. At least that's what VW says. The Cap'n

I would've sworn the first few 924 photos I saw showed the Audi four-ring logo cast into the intake plenum.

924 is the worst car ever made, Yugo not withstanding.



M

How in the hell can you justify that remark redhsift? They certainly aren't great but they are better than ALOT of other cars!!

QUOTE (lapuwali @ Jan 17 2005, 05:58 PM)

QUOTE (Cap'n Krusty @ Jan 17 2005, 02:22 PM) Sorry, Jeroen, but the engine in a 924 IS a VW engine, specifically from an LT series light truck/van.  At least that's what VW says.  The Cap'n I would've sworn the first few 924 photos I saw showed the Audi four-ring logo cast into the intake plenum.

yea, that same ring is on allot of stock VW ware--they were VW's prototyper business--I worked on quite a few 80's audi's and man--well--they were a mess and i'll just leave it at that---Ok--I'll just say two words--: " Mineral Oil "

Later models are really good--and the latest from about 1998 and up are really good-----

VW/Audi is just like ford and GM--shared platforms--shared engines, etc.....

QUOTE (Cap'n Krusty @ Jan 18 2005, 12:22 AM)

Sorry, Jeroen, but the engine in a 924 IS a VW engine, specifically from an LT series light truck/van. At least that's what VW says. The Cap'n

That's what Porsche started out with...
(the 924 was never supposed to be a Porsche, they were commissioned by VW to build a successor to the Scirocco, but VW bailed out)
But Porsche redesigned/engineered most, if not all, internals on the engine

I don't know the specific details, but my friend, who is a watercooled-4-cilinder-porsche guru, independent P-shop owner/mechanic and owner of the CGT pictured above told me so, so that's what I'm sticking too

i have had at least five people try to "give "me one because im that porsche guy up on the hill.every one wasnt running and the timing belt was broke i wont take em.its the only porsche that people have offerd to just give me.so it kinda tells me something about them,and its not good things

QUOTE (morphenspectra @ Jan 17 2005, 06:27 PM)

i have had at least five people try to "give "me one because im that porsche guy up on the hill.every one wasnt running and the timing belt was broke i wont take em.its the only porsche that people have offerd to just give me.so it kinda tells me something about them,and its not good things

Shit dude---next time someone offers you one for free take it and I will bring my dodge P.O.S. and trailer and pick it up from ya!!!!

You guys can bad mouth them all day long, but tomorrow morning I guarantee I will walk out the door start mine up and go wherever I need. With HEAT!!!!! Oh and mine was free!!! Did I mention it is for sale???

hahaha

FREE! AND ALMOST WORTH IT!

Look, I had to deal with a woman driving one of those things, I begged her to get anything else, and then I paid for her sins against carmanity with my blood, sweat, time, and ... did I mention THE MONEY?



I'd rather drive a Citroen.

My advice to anyone who already owns a car, and a Porsche is to use some money on other hobbies, it's not healthy to throw it all at trying to save a dynasty of sporty german rust bombs!

Everyone has their 'thing', my 'thing' is 924s. hehe...

M

QUOTE (Jeroen @ Jan 17 2005, 04:19 PM)

That's what Porsche started out with... (the 924 was never supposed to be a Porsche, they were commissioned by VW to build a successor to the Scirocco, but VW bailed out) But Porsche redesigned/engineered most, if not all, internals on the engine.

Hmmm, This sounds familiar......

Let the truth be known Behind every mans hostility....lies a woman!! I hate Prince and Steve Miller!!!!. ....because of some woman!!!!!!!

QUOTE (scruz914 @ Jan 17 2005, 06:42 PM)

QUOTE (Jeroen @ Jan 17 2005, 04:19 PM) That's what Porsche started out with... (the 924 was never supposed to be a Porsche, they were commissioned by VW to build a successor to the Scirocco, but VW bailed out) But Porsche redesigned/engineered most, if not all, internals on the engine. Hmmm, This sounds familiar......

Iknow--its kinda eery--where have I seen or heard these words spoken before????

dodedododoedodo................

Admins--we need another smilie--like one blasting off in a rocket ship into outer space---to signify a spaced out space cadet!!

Behind every great man, is a woman with a better idea, and something heavy enough to enforce it.



M

I divorced that last woman that was supposedly behind me--oh yea, she had ideas alright.................

My new bitch is 33 yrs old and never complains when I rape her ass--cause she knows she is mine--and I am making her better!!! ( I'm talkin bout my 914 guys, ifn there is any heat on the board )

Skline--prove it to em--get that 91--er--924 and prove it to emmm!!!!!!!!!

DO IT Scott. Buy the damn car and prove em all wrong. Don't let them talk down to a " VW/Porsche" Who do they think they are??? If they don't like it tell them to Buy that car,fix it up and it into the ground. After all what good is money if you don't spend it? You can do it Scott, You can do it all life long. VIVA LA PORSCHE Did I mention my 924 is for sale??

A gladiator among us.... obviously dressed in hockey gear.

Man this place is a hoot!

M

QUOTE (scotty b @ Jan 17 2005, 07:08 PM)

DO IT Scott. Buy the damn car and prove em all wrong. Don't let them talk down to a " VW/Porsche" Who do they think they are??? If they don't like it tell them to Buy that car,fix it up and it into the ground. After all what good is money if you don't spend it? You can do it Scott, You can do it all life long. VIVA LA PORSCHE Did I mention my 924 is for sale??

Why again are you selling the 91--errr-924???