I am getting so sick and tired of this dumb ass idea I had. Another fu**%^G problem. they all are on the right side of the engine. Go to finish pulling the heads off for the exhaust stud problem and SNAP one of the bolts for the shit ass casting for the thermostat snaps off. another one for the shop to fix. So I press on to take the left head off and as I am down to the last three cam tower bolts....SNAP the G%& $@mn FU*^$#g allen head wrench breaks off in the bolt head down in the cam tower. Its stuck and I can not get the tip out of the bolt. You can see the tip in the bolt in the photo. I am real close to having a Porsche blow out sale. OR take some of my happy pills.

Here is how long the wrench is

this is how far in it goes

do you think all this is caused by the motor overheating? or am i just fishing?

If you're fishin' you might catch a snapper.

How 'bout salt air from being near the beach for so long?

QUOTE (seanery @ Jan 20 2005, 07:10 PM)

do you think all this is caused by the motor overheating? or am i just fishing?

Heck I dont have any Idea but it is weird how the problems are all on the right side. The latest can not be from salt air because it is inside the cam tower

Take two stress (happy) pills, and call me in the morning.

It will all work out....just a tad frustrating I see.

that sucks!!!

don't use allen-keys like that for anything that's tight...
their weak and won't take any serious force
If it's more than hand-tight, use an extension

I learned another way. I broke one while trying to loosen a bolt and the f-ing allen-key snapped and the end went straight through my hand

IMO, allenbolts suck per definition. It's either this or you strip the heads

QUOTE

PLAN 9 can kiss my ass

damm, you give up easy!

i don't know what you were expecting when you decided to put a 20+ year old motor in a 30+ year old car.
you better buy a *lot* more of your happy meds because the problems will just keep coming.

ask me how i know ...
but, for me, that's part of doing a conversion or restauration, something you can be really proud of once you're done and you take her for that first spin around the corner ...

until then,
Andy

hang in there Larry!!!

have a cold one

yup, if it were easy every fool would be doing it...

QUOTE (jr91472 @ Jan 20 2005, 04:19 PM)

hang in there Larry!!! have a cold one

and remember, that car has already paid for itself.....free motor!!!

Take the happy pills! Then when all is calm go through all of the things you still need to do on the project. Evaluate what items have a potential of causing problems. The default is all items will have several problems. Before you take on a task tell yourself: there will be problems with this. Then when something happens your cool because you expected it. If all goes smoothly then you are ahead.

Hang in there. This conversion is going to be so cool when it is done.

QUOTE (Jeroen @ Jan 20 2005, 05:18 PM)

that sucks!!! don't use allen-keys like that for anything that's tight... their weak and won't take any serious force If it's more than hand-tight, use an extension I learned another way. I broke one while trying to loosen a bolt and the f-ing allen-key snapped and the end went straight through my hand IMO, allenbolts suck per definition. It's either this or you strip the heads

I hate to agree with the boy from the land of dykes, but buy a good set of socket allens.

Its all about perspective. I expect every bolt to be a problem, every tool to snap, and when 7 out of 8 don't, I feel like I am lucky

QUOTE (Jeroen @ Jan 20 2005, 07:18 PM)

IMO, allenbolts suck per definition. It's either this or you strip the heads

I wonder If I couldnt get a regular bolt in there when it goes back together???

Take a breath, take a pill, take a big ass hammer to it. Wait till you start to torque the heads down after a rebuild and have two of them spin!! I was working on a 356 engine while the guy I used to work for was doing a 928, all of a sudden he shouts F*%&, throws the torque wrench across the room and leaves. For the rest of the day! Pulled two studs while torquing, long story short, he bought a wrecked customers car and swapped engines!

I think I am at the point Scott was at just before Xmas. I just have a bunch of crap going on at the moment and should step back and take a breath. Speaking of Scott did he ever drive his any further than the video of him going into the garage?

yeah, common problem on the 944's and such. They really liked those damn allen bolts. Calm down, take a happy pill, get a long drill bit and an easy out.

QUOTE (spare time toys @ Jan 20 2005, 05:44 PM)

I think I am at the point Scott was at just before Xmas. I just have a bunch of crap going on at the moment and should step back and take a breath. Speaking of Scott did he ever drive his any further than the video of him going into the garage?

No comment!

Good tools always make shitty jobs better. I have had these very same problems while turning wrenches in the Navy. multi million dollar deck gun gets put out of commision because the cap screw (allen bolt) snapped off at the head. Vibration can work against a bolt that may have been re used and torqued again.

READ: Bolts shall NOT be used again. My Dept. head flipped his lid when I made my crew buy new cap screws for anything they took apart. Significantly less problems. the pinnacle of my career was 400 rounds of 5"/54 ammunition fired in one day had one micro switch wiggle loose. 18400 lbs of gun powder 28000 pounds of high explosives and steel. Made a real bad day for the bad guys.

It could be worse..

.. it could be raining...

This is a fun project, try to always remember that... the moment it gets unfun... walk away for a bit.. curse, post here... then back to fun!



M

Man your scaring me. I'm not sure I want to take mine apart now! Porsche used cap heads because of the inside location. Can't get a socket inside the cam holder. It sux!

Not much you can do now but take a "flat ended" round brass punch and give that bolt a short, sharp, shot! Then use a shop vac with a reducer to some small rigid hose that will fit through the hole in the cam holder. Try to suck the sucky broken piece of allen out of the cap head.

On a positive note. The flywheel should be done. I tried to get over the the machine shop today to check but they were closed when I got there. I'm going before noon tomorrow.

don't laugh as this may seem really stupid...but put a drop of super glue on the end of the allen bolt and push it back onto the broken off piece...hopefully after 30 seconds or so it will bond enough to pull out?

QUOTE (jim912928 @ Jan 20 2005, 05:28 PM)

don't laugh as this may seem really stupid...but put a drop of super glue on the end of the allen bolt and push it back onto the broken off piece...hopefully after 30 seconds or so it will bond enough to pull out?

I like that one

Take an appropriate size straight punch and wind as many turns of 24 ga wire around it from top to bottom to make an electromagnet- just leave enough of the punch tip free so it will fit into the hole--or use a very long slender nail spike with the point ground to a flat---hook this up ( one wire from both ends of punch ) and connect it to a low power battery charger..uhh, umm, you don't got no pace maker do ya?? Not poking fun--but this puppy will hold about 125-400 lbs of pull strength-( the more juice you run thru it the stronger it is )-but also will make your TV, ( within about 50' away, ) screen turn a permanent green.. ...Don't ask how I came about that one---long time ago in Navy land...........


Have I ever said how much I like south Florida???? NO// I LOVE IT!!!!!!! i.e.--see avatar

QUOTE (rick 918-S @ Jan 20 2005, 08:21 PM)

Man your scaring me. I'm not sure I want to take mine apart now! On a positive note. The flywheel should be done. I tried to get over the the machine shop today to check but they were closed when I got there. I'm going before noon tomorrow.

Oh come on jump in the waters fine Ill get it out and all will be well in the world once more. I wonder if ARP makes a fastener kit for these? Ill have all new hardware anyway so in 20 years the next guy will get the fun. Glad to hear about the flywheel Im going to make Hotel res for Tuesday night in DesMoines.

DAMN J that girls gotta zipper where her whipper should be!!

I've seen thicker dental floss...

QUOTE (spare time toys @ Jan 20 2005, 04:44 PM)

I think I am at the point Scott was at just before Xmas. I just have a bunch of crap going on at the moment and should step back and take a breath. Speaking of Scott did he ever drive his any further than the video of him going into the garage?

I drove it to the corner and back, still needs some little things finished up and then body and paint work.

I have a magnet thingie that is basically a telescoping radio antenna with a neodymium magnet glued on the end. One of those might work.

QUOTE (skline @ Jan 20 2005, 09:03 PM)

QUOTE (spare time toys @ Jan 20 2005, 04:44 PM) I think I am at the point Scott was at just before Xmas.  I just have a bunch of crap going on at the moment and should step back and take a breath.  Speaking of Scott did he ever drive his any further than the video of him going into the garage? I drove it to the corner and back, still needs some little things finished up and then body and paint work.

WAY TO GO Will it be done for WCC05?

It will be at the WCC, dont know for sure if it will be painted by then or not but it will be there.

Have You Tried C H O P S T I C K S ? ? ? ?

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Jan 20 2005, 09:15 PM)

Have You Tried C H O P S T I C K S ? ? ? ?

You crack me up

Larry -
Are you going to be in Palestine tomorrow? Call me on my cell, and check your PM's
Thom

Doesn't help your problem (SUCKS!), but I had the heads off my 928 multiple times without a problem. I though overheat issues too sean. You might want to have your machine shop check to make sure the heads aren't warped while you have them off. I would definitely get one of the LONG allen sockets for that size. I don't think any decent sized sockets fit down in there, so you have to use an allen head. Might be able to go Torx?

QUOTE (mikez @ Jan 20 2005, 09:40 PM)

I've seen thicker dental floss...

You USE thicker dental floss..

oh....


M

QUOTE (dakotaewing @ Jan 20 2005, 10:36 PM)

Larry - Are you going to be in Palestine tomorrow? Call me on my cell, and check your PM's Thom

Palestine? Cell?

What's this?

oh....


M

QUOTE (redshift @ Jan 20 2005, 10:19 PM)

QUOTE (dakotaewing @ Jan 20 2005, 10:36 PM) Larry - Are you going to be in Palestine tomorrow? Call me on my cell, and check your PM's Thom Palestine? Cell? What's this? oh.... M

Its a covert operation strictly on the QT 914y type stuff. I got my sawzall ready I tossed in the floor jack also just incase because you never know I sent you a pm with my cell # Ill call on the way down. I am also bringing the camera

Did'nt get your PM.... I am packed and ready to go, just need to stop for gas....
Call me in the morning - I still don't have ypur cell -
Thom

QUOTE (spare time toys @ Jan 20 2005, 04:44 PM)

Speaking of Scott did he ever drive his any further than the video of him going into the garage?

Scott reached his pain threshold on the V-8. Since it no longer stimulates his need for frustration he is thinking of buying an old Pacer and putting a 356 motor in it.

Try 3/8 drive SnapOn allan drive socket for the rest. Ive seen allan wrenches twist like a candycane or just plain strip but I never had one snap off like that. I am assumeing the broke off tool is jammed in the allan bolt and not about to lift out with an maganet.... Try a hi speed rotary tool and grind off the whole thing ?

QUOTE (joe buckle @ Jan 21 2005, 01:14 AM)

Scott reached his pain threshold on the V-8. Since it no longer stimulates his need for frustration he is thinking of buying an old Pacer and putting a 356 motor in it.

If he wanted a Pacer he should have kept this 928. Did you ever notice they look like a chop top Pacer from the back? I said that to one of the guys at a 928 function and he failed to see the humor in it.

QUOTE (spare time toys @ Jan 21 2005, 05:13 AM)

QUOTE (joe buckle @ Jan 21 2005, 01:14 AM) Scott reached his pain threshold on the V-8.  Since it no longer stimulates his need for frustration he is thinking of buying an old Pacer and putting a 356 motor in it. If he wanted a Pacer he should have kept this 928. Did you ever notice they look like a chop top Pacer from the back? I said that to one of the guys at a 928 function and he failed to see the humor in it.

Pacer ha ha. Perfect come back to that is "OK I'll set the pace you follow me. If you start falling back tough shit"

Pacer! them is fightin words! (laughing)

I feel your pain...
20 years of twisting wrenches
Joe

Hey who changed my heading?? and when? I may need your help with one more Posable name change for PLAN 9

I did. PM me.

-Rusty

OK I tried the electro magnet with a long socket extension. I did find out my charger crapped out so I had the big idea to use jumpers off the Battery. Wow did I make a good heater Melted the cover off the wire in like 3 seconds. Ill try again when I get a new charger.