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carr914
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 7 2014, 12:36 PM) *

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QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 6 2014, 01:55 PM) *

[How much is the complete engine actually worth? Cases from this era generally run around 3 to 4k.



Last year I had two offers (one for $6K and one for $7K) for just the "short block". Maybe they were just desperate laugh.gif


Yeah, I'd say so. $7k for a case is silly money. Especially when more often than not you'll probably spend another $4k having the case clean and machined for improved oil flow. I saw a couple cases on ebay recently for around $4k.


Unless you account for the fact that mine is a proven running engine that they could have heard run prior to buying beerchug.gif


I checked with Ron Zitza at Zotz Racing yesterday. A running, documented 1965 911 engine with Webbers should cost about $8-10K.


Should Cost and Would Cost are 2 different things unless Ron has one sitting there. I bet if he had one sitting there the price might be $15-17k


Doubt it... Ron has been working in this market for over 40 years. He knows what he's talking about and is very fair. I've bought a number of parts from him that were priced very reasonably.

You can price things any way you want. As evidenced by the vast number of overpriced 914's that just sit and sit and sit, never selling. The silver 2 liter four in the Hamptons for north of 30k is a perfect example. There's a bunch more just like it.

If you're not in a rush and don't care if it sells, sky's the limit on pricing. Just don't expect to sell it in a hurry. However, at the end of the day, actual value is what a buyer is willing to pay.

At $17k, I expect that motor to be a fully documented zero hour fully stock engine built by an industry expert.

For example...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-engine...%3D231246450867



QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 7 2014, 12:38 PM) *


One is a Barn-Find motor that hasn't been run in 20 Years and you didn't factor in the Core Charge ($4500) in those other 2
billh1963
Deputy... You trying to convince us or you? biggrin.gif
deputydog95
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QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 7 2014, 12:36 PM) *

QUOTE(carr914 @ Aug 7 2014, 10:38 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 7 2014, 09:13 AM) *

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 6 2014, 03:42 PM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 6 2014, 03:27 PM) *

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 6 2014, 02:23 PM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 6 2014, 01:55 PM) *

[How much is the complete engine actually worth? Cases from this era generally run around 3 to 4k.



Last year I had two offers (one for $6K and one for $7K) for just the "short block". Maybe they were just desperate laugh.gif


Yeah, I'd say so. $7k for a case is silly money. Especially when more often than not you'll probably spend another $4k having the case clean and machined for improved oil flow. I saw a couple cases on ebay recently for around $4k.


Unless you account for the fact that mine is a proven running engine that they could have heard run prior to buying beerchug.gif


I checked with Ron Zitza at Zotz Racing yesterday. A running, documented 1965 911 engine with Webbers should cost about $8-10K.


Should Cost and Would Cost are 2 different things unless Ron has one sitting there. I bet if he had one sitting there the price might be $15-17k


Doubt it... Ron has been working in this market for over 40 years. He knows what he's talking about and is very fair. I've bought a number of parts from him that were priced very reasonably.

You can price things any way you want. As evidenced by the vast number of overpriced 914's that just sit and sit and sit, never selling. The silver 2 liter four in the Hamptons for north of 30k is a perfect example. There's a bunch more just like it.

If you're not in a rush and don't care if it sells, sky's the limit on pricing. Just don't expect to sell it in a hurry. However, at the end of the day, actual value is what a buyer is willing to pay.

At $17k, I expect that motor to be a fully documented zero hour fully stock engine built by an industry expert.

For example...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-911-engine...%3D231246450867



QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 7 2014, 12:38 PM) *


One is a Barn-Find motor that hasn't been run in 20 Years and you didn't factor in the Core Charge ($4500) in those other 2


If you read the ad fully it says no core charge.

Porsche 911 engine 2.0 1967 rare Motor aluminum case Complete 911 NO CORE Req

Plus free shipping.

The other one is a fresh documented motor for 12k. Including the core. So once again, a used motor is now back down to $8 to 10k. This is easy math TC biggrin.gif

FWIW, their auctions are listed under "make offer" so they'll likely sell for a little less than asking price.....
deputydog95
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 7 2014, 12:54 PM) *

Deputy... You trying to convince us or you? biggrin.gif


Ha! Zing biggrin.gif
BK911
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 7 2014, 11:50 AM) *

QUOTE(Big Len @ Aug 7 2014, 11:34 AM) *

QUOTE(BK911 @ Aug 7 2014, 10:27 AM) *

So what do you guys think this one is worth?

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?sho...=219849&hl=

I'd be on my way to Canada. $16.5 for a solid conversion is definitely worthy of a road trip.


I thought that car had sold? It looked like a nice car. That wrinkled trunk pan may have scared a few....



I bought the car but don't have it yet. Could you please elaborate on wrinkled trunk? Not sure I see what you are talking about.
billh1963
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deputydog95
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 7 2014, 05:47 PM) *



Good eye. How do you think it happened?

Seems weird that it's wrinkled in some places, but not in others.

I don't know a lot of about body repair but how would you have gaps in damage like this? One would think if the trunk got crushed you'd see damage in a patch.
billh1963
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 8 2014, 07:33 AM) *

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 7 2014, 05:47 PM) *



Good eye. How do you think it happened?

Seems weird that it's wrinkled in some places, but not in others.

I don't know a lot of about body repair but how would you have gaps in damage like this? One would think if the trunk got crushed you'd see damage in a patch.


May have been hit in the nose and someone tried to hammer the pan back flat. The whole panel is wrinkled...I only put arrows on a few of the wrinkles. A body guy could give a better assessment. I certainly don't pretend to have any bodywork knowledge.
naro914
I would guess that's more hitting something from underneath than a nose hit. What little you can see of the support bracket from the fender well to the front nose looks good, in a nose hit that would wrinkle that much floor, the bracket would likely have been creased. though the wrinkles at the suspension point mount (Lower left arrow in your picture) would worry me a bit...
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 7 2014, 05:47 PM) *

Good eye bill, i saw that too back when you and i were discussing this car,. at that time i was seriously considering this car, but had not yet sold my Boxster, even with that wrinkle, if i had sold the box sooner that car would have been on its way to SC, but as it is i think the car was probably worth the asking price if the motor is as well sorted ans owner claims. --- BK 911, once you get the car and are able to go over it we would llove to hear back on how she is!!!!. - will you have it in time to be at the Octeenerfest? i hope so, its right in your back yard, right!
naro914
QUOTE(Philip W. @ Aug 8 2014, 09:32 AM) *

- will you have it in time to be at the Octeenerfest? i hope so, its right in your back yard, right!

Yeah, what about you Philip?? have you signed up?? poke.gif
billh1963
QUOTE(naro914 @ Aug 8 2014, 09:44 AM) *

QUOTE(Philip W. @ Aug 8 2014, 09:32 AM) *

- will you have it in time to be at the Octeenerfest? i hope so, its right in your back yard, right!

Yeah, what about you Philip?? have you signed up?? poke.gif



Phil likes working on his car lately...not driving it evilgrin.gif poke.gif
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 8 2014, 09:57 AM) *

QUOTE(naro914 @ Aug 8 2014, 09:44 AM) *

QUOTE(Philip W. @ Aug 8 2014, 09:32 AM) *

- will you have it in time to be at the Octeenerfest? i hope so, its right in your back yard, right!

Yeah, what about you Philip?? have you signed up?? poke.gif



Phil likes working on his car lately...not driving it evilgrin.gif poke.gif



for some reason my work computer (usgovt) blocks the okteenerfest site, it thinks its adult contend/porn lol lol-2.gif av-943.gif sheeplove.gif - maybe you can fixt that? - and i tried from my phone 2x and get about half way and then it stops working- so i will have to do this from my home computer but i get home and forget blink.gif
i wil lhave it done tonight!!
DRPHIL914
BTW my car is running great. -- i'm not the one trying to sell my car poke.gif you might have to drive your ferrari idea.gif
billh1963
QUOTE(Philip W. @ Aug 8 2014, 11:12 AM) *

BTW my car is running great. -- i'm not the one trying to sell my car poke.gif you might have to drive your ferrari idea.gif


Which one? happy11.gif
DRPHIL914
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 8 2014, 11:14 AM) *

QUOTE(Philip W. @ Aug 8 2014, 11:12 AM) *

BTW my car is running great. -- i'm not the one trying to sell my car poke.gif you might have to drive your ferrari idea.gif


Which one? happy11.gif

w00t.gif tell me more
deputydog95
I figured it would be ok to ask here versus the seller's thread...

But what do we like or not like about this car?

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=240103

It has a lot of things that appeal to me as a conversion. Great engine, outstanding color, wide body, etc... Those CCW wheels are amazing.

Plus it could serve double duty as a street/DE car in between race weekends with the AL.

I keep trying to talk myself out of it. It's not original. As far as I know a GT style car never existed as a street car. However, it looks just like my race car, but with a license plate and I keep going back to this ad smile.gif

Big Len
This is the most confusing thread.

Deputy, I think you should take some time and figure out exactly what you're looking for.
deputydog95
QUOTE(Big Len @ Aug 10 2014, 10:38 PM) *

This is the most confusing thread.

Deputy, I think you should take some time and figure out exactly what you're looking for.


It's not really that confusing.

I asked about conversion car prices. And then posted a conversion car for review in the thread.

Honestly I'm looking for a cool 914. Whatever that may be. The only 2 types I'm entertaining are all original 73 74 two liters or a really nice 6 conversion that resembles the one I've already got. So I know what I want. Sort of smile.gif

While they're two different cars, they satisfy my requirements. First off, a 901 gearbox. Something unique. Something that will appreciate. Something that isn't going to turn into some giant project of never ending repairs. And finally something that will be saleable because of it's desirability when it's time to move on.
deputydog95
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 7 2014, 09:21 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 7 2014, 09:13 AM) *

I checked with Ron Zitza at Zotz Racing yesterday. A running, documented 1965 911 engine with Webbers should cost about $8-10K.


So...are you making an offer or just stalking me? lol-2.gif poke.gif


So what was the final ebay number? Did it sell?
billh1963
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 08:56 AM) *

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 7 2014, 09:21 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 7 2014, 09:13 AM) *

I checked with Ron Zitza at Zotz Racing yesterday. A running, documented 1965 911 engine with Webbers should cost about $8-10K.


So...are you making an offer or just stalking me? lol-2.gif poke.gif


So what was the final ebay number? Did it sell?


It didn't sell...nor did I expect it to once I told potential bidders I was more interested in a trade. I've got so much interest it's not even funny. I'm looking at several trade options at the moment for either my complete car or just the engine in exchange for a an early 911 roller and or project (ScottB is helping me review them). I've also had several offers for the engine alone for $mid-teens.
deputydog95
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 11 2014, 09:30 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 08:56 AM) *

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 7 2014, 09:21 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 7 2014, 09:13 AM) *

I checked with Ron Zitza at Zotz Racing yesterday. A running, documented 1965 911 engine with Webbers should cost about $8-10K.


So...are you making an offer or just stalking me? lol-2.gif poke.gif


So what was the final ebay number? Did it sell?


It didn't sell...nor did I expect it to once I told potential bidders I was more interested in a trade. I've got so much interest it's not even funny. I'm looking at several trade options at the moment for either my complete car or just the engine in exchange for a an early 911 roller and or project (ScottB is helping me review them). I've also had several offers for the engine alone for $mid-teens.


If you can sell the engine for $15k, start ripping it out today smile.gif Take the money and go get yourself a 3.0 SC engine and have a little left over for beer.

Sounds like you're tired of the car though and want something new.
billh1963
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 11:22 AM) *

several offers for the engine alone for $mid-teens.

If you can sell the engine for $15k, start ripping it out today smile.gif Take the money and go get yourself a 3.0 SC engine and have a little left over for beer.

Sounds like you're tired of the car though and want something new.


Not tired of the car...just don't such an expensive engine in the car that may be useful for someone with an early car. The engine doesn't hold any special meaning for me; however, for someone with a '65 it could be a big deal.
naro914
Bill, did you ever post a link to the car/engine you're selling?
deputydog95
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 11 2014, 11:28 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 11:22 AM) *

several offers for the engine alone for $mid-teens.

If you can sell the engine for $15k, start ripping it out today smile.gif Take the money and go get yourself a 3.0 SC engine and have a little left over for beer.

Sounds like you're tired of the car though and want something new.


Not tired of the car...just don't such an expensive engine in the car that may be useful for someone with an early car. The engine doesn't hold any special meaning for me; however, for someone with a '65 it could be a big deal.


Taking another whack at it? Car looks very solid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-914-Base-1...=US_Cars_Trucks
deputydog95
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 09:24 PM) *

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 11 2014, 11:28 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 11:22 AM) *

several offers for the engine alone for $mid-teens.

If you can sell the engine for $15k, start ripping it out today smile.gif Take the money and go get yourself a 3.0 SC engine and have a little left over for beer.

Sounds like you're tired of the car though and want something new.


Not tired of the car...just don't such an expensive engine in the car that may be useful for someone with an early car. The engine doesn't hold any special meaning for me; however, for someone with a '65 it could be a big deal.


Taking another whack at it? Car looks very solid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-914-Base-1...=US_Cars_Trucks


Cool videos with the ad. That's a nice touch!
billh1963
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 09:24 PM) *

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 11 2014, 11:28 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 11:22 AM) *

several offers for the engine alone for $mid-teens.

If you can sell the engine for $15k, start ripping it out today smile.gif Take the money and go get yourself a 3.0 SC engine and have a little left over for beer.

Sounds like you're tired of the car though and want something new.


Not tired of the car...just don't such an expensive engine in the car that may be useful for someone with an early car. The engine doesn't hold any special meaning for me; however, for someone with a '65 it could be a big deal.


Taking another whack at it? Car looks very solid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-914-Base-1...=US_Cars_Trucks


Looks like Bring A Trailer has discovered my car...
carr914
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 13 2014, 05:56 PM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 09:24 PM) *

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 11 2014, 11:28 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 11:22 AM) *

several offers for the engine alone for $mid-teens.

If you can sell the engine for $15k, start ripping it out today smile.gif Take the money and go get yourself a 3.0 SC engine and have a little left over for beer.

Sounds like you're tired of the car though and want something new.


Not tired of the car...just don't such an expensive engine in the car that may be useful for someone with an early car. The engine doesn't hold any special meaning for me; however, for someone with a '65 it could be a big deal.


Taking another whack at it? Car looks very solid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-914-Base-1...=US_Cars_Trucks


Looks like Bring A Trailer has discovered my car...


Get ready for the Troll Comments!
billh1963
QUOTE(carr914 @ Aug 13 2014, 07:19 PM) *

Get ready for the Troll Comments!


They've already started. It's amazing how many 914 "experts" are out there... lol-2.gif
deputydog95
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 13 2014, 05:56 PM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 09:24 PM) *

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 11 2014, 11:28 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 11 2014, 11:22 AM) *

several offers for the engine alone for $mid-teens.

If you can sell the engine for $15k, start ripping it out today smile.gif Take the money and go get yourself a 3.0 SC engine and have a little left over for beer.

Sounds like you're tired of the car though and want something new.


Not tired of the car...just don't such an expensive engine in the car that may be useful for someone with an early car. The engine doesn't hold any special meaning for me; however, for someone with a '65 it could be a big deal.


Taking another whack at it? Car looks very solid.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-914-Base-1...=US_Cars_Trucks


Looks like Bring A Trailer has discovered my car...


Who's that? You've got a nice car. What could he be possibly criticizing?
billh1963
Bring A Trailer
scotty b
I'd be all over it except for those wheels and shift knob. poke.gif #dealbreakers av-943.gif
billh1963
QUOTE(scotty b @ Aug 13 2014, 09:55 PM) *

I'd be all over it except for those wheels and shift knob. poke.gif #dealbreakers av-943.gif


lol-2.gif

What's so funny is that people who have seen the wheels actually like them...a lot!
deputydog95
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 13 2014, 09:01 PM) *


Interesting. Never seen that site before. Looks like most of the comments have been positive and a few echo'd that the price was fair.


QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 14 2014, 05:06 AM) *

QUOTE(scotty b @ Aug 13 2014, 09:55 PM) *

I'd be all over it except for those wheels and shift knob. poke.gif #dealbreakers av-943.gif


lol-2.gif

What's so funny is that people who have seen the wheels actually like them...a lot!


I'm a little polarized by the wheels too, but they're subjective and easily replaced at not significant cost so it shouldn't hold anyone up if that's an issue.
deputydog95
On the topic of conversions...

I've been looking at different 6 conversions for sale and ones that have already sold.

I see a lot of numbers being thrown around that they have 60, 70, or even more into the conversion.

How is that possible? I'm not even going to bother asking why they'd do itas we already know 914'ers aren't rational folks smile.gif



http://www.pelicanparts.com/914/914-6_cons..._info_guide.htm

scotty b
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 14 2014, 04:34 AM) *

On the topic of conversions...

I've been looking at different 6 conversions for sale and ones that have already sold.

I see a lot of numbers being thrown around that they have 60, 70, or even more into the conversion.

How is that possible? I'm not even going to bother asking why they'd do itas we already know 914'ers aren't rational folks smile.gif



http://www.pelicanparts.com/914/914-6_cons..._info_guide.htm


rust repairs 5-15,000
body and paint 15,000
interior 3,000
engine 5-10,000
engine rebuild 15-20,000
wheels/tires 1- 3,000
suspension 500-3,000
brakes 1000-2,500


This can all go up or down depending on how much you do yourself, and how basic or exotic you want to go.
JmuRiz
Seems about right sad.gif
At least it's spread out over a number of years biggrin.gif
I've been lucky to have hunted for deals and done some DIY. I do have a spreadsheet of money spent, but it's not done yet and it will grow with little things items for sure.
deputydog95
QUOTE(scotty b @ Aug 14 2014, 08:44 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 14 2014, 04:34 AM) *

On the topic of conversions...

I've been looking at different 6 conversions for sale and ones that have already sold.

I see a lot of numbers being thrown around that they have 60, 70, or even more into the conversion.

How is that possible? I'm not even going to bother asking why they'd do itas we already know 914'ers aren't rational folks smile.gif



http://www.pelicanparts.com/914/914-6_cons..._info_guide.htm


rust repairs 5-15,000
body and paint 15,000
interior 3,000
engine 5-10,000
engine rebuild 15-20,000
wheels/tires 1- 3,000
suspension 500-3,000
brakes 1000-2,500


This can all go up or down depending on how much you do yourself, and how basic or exotic you want to go.


I guess it's dependent on how much of a POS roller you're starting out with related to rust repair and paint.

FWIW, you can get a rebuilt 911SC motor for around $11k. Not period correct, but it is a porsche 6 with plenty of power.

Otherwise your numbers make sense. Sort of... I don't understand why someone would buy a rusted out roller when you could buy a clean car that doesn't run for $10 and save yourself thousands in body work.
carr914
QUOTE(scotty b @ Aug 14 2014, 08:44 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 14 2014, 04:34 AM) *

On the topic of conversions...

I've been looking at different 6 conversions for sale and ones that have already sold.

I see a lot of numbers being thrown around that they have 60, 70, or even more into the conversion.

How is that possible? I'm not even going to bother asking why they'd do itas we already know 914'ers aren't rational folks smile.gif



http://www.pelicanparts.com/914/914-6_cons..._info_guide.htm


rust repairs 5-15,000
body and paint 15,000
interior 3,000
engine 5-10,000
engine rebuild 15-20,000
wheels/tires 1- 3,000
suspension 500-3,000
brakes 1000-2,500


This can all go up or down depending on how much you do yourself, and how basic or exotic you want to go.


And

Engine Mount
Oil Tank
Oil Cooler
Oil Lines
Clutch/Flywheel
Tranny Rebuild
RennShifter
Relay Board
Headers/Muffler
rhodyguy
Dif/better chrome bumpers...cores+$800 and up to re chrome. Plus what ever new tops cost+shp.
dlkawashima
QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 14 2014, 02:06 AM) *

QUOTE(scotty b @ Aug 13 2014, 09:55 PM) *

I'd be all over it except for those wheels and shift knob. poke.gif #dealbreakers av-943.gif


lol-2.gif

What's so funny is that people who have seen the wheels actually like them...a lot!


That's Tim Martin's old 914. He had a website that discussed the build of this car, here:

http://talking-dog.com/tim/914/
MoveQik
QUOTE(carr914 @ Aug 14 2014, 08:45 AM) *


rust repairs 5-15,000
body and paint 15,000
interior 3,000
engine 5-10,000
engine rebuild 15-20,000
wheels/tires 1- 3,000
suspension 500-3,000
brakes 1000-2,500


And

Engine Mount
Oil Tank
Oil Cooler
Oil Lines
Clutch/Flywheel
Tranny Rebuild
RennShifter
Relay Board
Headers/Muffler

A lot of little stuff too...oil cooler mod, throttle cable linkage, ceramic coat/powder coating of all those used parts you bought cheap. Hell, I probably spent $1000 in shipping alone by the time I was done.
billh1963
QUOTE(dlkawashima @ Aug 14 2014, 12:24 PM) *

QUOTE(billh1963 @ Aug 14 2014, 02:06 AM) *

QUOTE(scotty b @ Aug 13 2014, 09:55 PM) *

I'd be all over it except for those wheels and shift knob. poke.gif #dealbreakers av-943.gif


lol-2.gif

What's so funny is that people who have seen the wheels actually like them...a lot!


That's Tim Martin's old 914. He had a website that discussed the build of this car, here:

http://talking-dog.com/tim/914/


Yep..I link to that in the ebay ad....
scotty b
QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 14 2014, 04:51 AM) *

QUOTE(scotty b @ Aug 14 2014, 08:44 AM) *

QUOTE(deputydog95 @ Aug 14 2014, 04:34 AM) *

On the topic of conversions...

I've been looking at different 6 conversions for sale and ones that have already sold.

I see a lot of numbers being thrown around that they have 60, 70, or even more into the conversion.

How is that possible? I'm not even going to bother asking why they'd do itas we already know 914'ers aren't rational folks smile.gif



http://www.pelicanparts.com/914/914-6_cons..._info_guide.htm


rust repairs 5-15,000
body and paint 15,000
interior 3,000
engine 5-10,000
engine rebuild 15-20,000
wheels/tires 1- 3,000
suspension 500-3,000
brakes 1000-2,500


This can all go up or down depending on how much you do yourself, and how basic or exotic you want to go.




FWIW, you can get a rebuilt 911SC motor for around $11k. Not period correct, but it is a porsche 6 with plenty of power.

Otherwise your numbers make sense. Sort of... I don't understand why someone would buy a rusted out roller when you could buy a clean car that doesn't run for $10 and save yourself thousands in body work.


Define " REBUILT " for 11K rolleyes.gif

Why would someone buy a rusted out roller you ask ? :

A: it's all they can afford
B: they like a challenge
C: they want a project because they enjoy the work
D: they didn't know it was a rusted out roller until they dug out all of the bondo, fiberglass, pop-riveted street signs that were hidden by bondo and fiberglass
E: there's no such thing as a rust free 914
GeorgeRud
A rebuild could cost $11,000 if you already have a core engine. I've always been unwilling to add up all the parts cost on mine, and couldn't even begin to think how many hours were spent on the planning and build itself.

Properly done conversions are probably the best cars out there!
JmuRiz
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billh1963
QUOTE(scotty b @ Aug 14 2014, 03:38 PM) *

[Define " REBUILT " for 11K rolleyes.gif

Why would someone buy a rusted out roller you ask ? :

A: it's all they can afford
B: they like a challenge
C: they want a project because they enjoy the work
D: they didn't know it was a rusted out roller until they dug out all of the bondo, fiberglass, pop-riveted street signs that were hidden by bondo and fiberglass
E: there's no such thing as a rust free 914


MotorMeister! lol-2.gif
carr914
QUOTE(GeorgeRud @ Aug 14 2014, 03:46 PM) *

A rebuild could cost $11,000 if you already have a core engine. I've always been unwilling to add up all the parts cost on mine, and couldn't even begin to think how many hours were spent on the planning and build itself.

Properly done conversions are probably the best cars out there!


Heck, I have $5,000 into a Set of PMOs and a Dizzy
naro914
I dunno...I bought a 3.2 engine with harness and ECU for $4000. Drove it for 4 years, got it rebuilt this year. Luckily, it needed fairly nothing, If all I did was what was necessary - replace all bearing and seals - I would have been out of it for about $6k. But...of course we put in 964 cams, ARP rod bolts, valve guides, ported heads, etc...still got it in under $8000 (helps to know people) so I've got a very fresh, very strong'upgraded' 3.2 engine for $12,000 spread out over 4 years of use, and now can drive it basically forever...
campbellcj
Re. conversion costs, if it is a 'hot rod' or race car, you'll also have safety equipment, body panels/mods, extra wheels/tires, trans build-ups, maybe some gauges and electronics.

Believe me, the costs add-up extra fast on these kind of builds. My current policy is to not add-up receipts, but I know roughly what the number would be if I were to do that.
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