Here you go, colors follow the lines and no spoiler. This looks so much better, IMHO.

Perfect

Dan

Much better!!

WTF Mike??
I give you corrected artwork, you don't use it.
I offer to make a production file, you don't take it.

The original post of this submission states the intention of the design that was constrained by time and software. Voters comments confirm the desire for the intention of the design.

The spoiler car logo is owned by 914turbo.com (Me) and cannot be used by 914world.

OK, Not quite sure how to respond here. I never got the corrected artwork. I did get the file with all the extra goodies. I pulled the image from the voting page and sent to my guy to work on. We needed to specify colors and as this is a German car thought it appropriate to match the flag.

The comment on the spoiler being deleted was taken as most cars don't have spoilers, so why have it.

I'm just trying to get these done as quickly and efficiently as I can. So we are not using the spoiler logo. Is there a problem?

-mark

I can't wait for these. I'm going to get a handful. Will there be only one badge or variants of one? I like the gears. Nice job all around.

Dec 11th I sent you this dwg file even though you only asked for the globe lines.



Then I don't hear from you until today when you post this...



I have made it quite clear that the original was a rushed idea and that I would need to make changes, but you don't seem to be paying attention.
I have repeatedly offered to make the production file for the maker only to be ignored. I have advanced fabrication experience with a cnc router, I can build a file nobody needs to touch if I knew your guy's production method. You've gotten yourself more involved then you need to be.

I'm sorry,
I was not ignoring you. I didn't see the file and proceeded to make these available. They will not have the tail, and will be as Andy put forward on the last reply.

I actually wanted to sponsor this to make it happen. It's not a for profit thing. It's about making something that we all want to show who we are as a group. I offered to do so as I have distribution and the ability to add in with orders as they go out. I'm bearing all the set up and manufacturing cost.

To be honest, I do hope that it encourages guys to buy other stuff off the site, but if all they want is the badge that's ok too. It's about $1800 out of pocket, and it may be awhile before I get it all back, buy I'm ok with that.

I'm not trying to piss anyone off, just make some badges and have some fun putting this together, so why is this a problem? I'm not trying to offend you personally.

Mark

I'm curious about the "Est. 2006". I see member "join dates",dating back to 2002. What am I missing here?

Carry over from the old site split.

So,
Gold 914, spoiler removed, lines corrected. Have I missed anything else?

Since you are at the last design step, I'll add my two cents. I am totally OCD over these kinds of things so please don't take this as criticism in any way. This is a great design.

I think with a few adjustments the car can look a little closer to the original.

- Front and rear ends a little stubbier, car too long.
- Add vent window
- Raise window sill line
- Shorten space between A pillar and targa
- Enlarge width of targa bar
- Curve the front fender line

Here is a quick and dirty.

Click to view attachment

even better.

The layout has been finalized, short of a f up on my side I really don't want to get into modifying a design that was voted on. Some items are also subjective, if I start messing with it too much, I've changed it.

Some items like adding a vent window, really will not show up well or may look disproportionate as we do loose some fine detail.

I do appreciate the feedback,
Mark

:beer

Thanks Mike and everyone that contributed to this.


Jim

Sweet
Great work Mikey914 and Chris914n6 and everyone else who's contributed

The design that was voted on was on condition of several changes. The 'voted on' artwork is illegal and you need to let go if it.

1. removal of my 914turbo car logo. The spoiler was only 1 of the 2 unique elements, the windshield without the glass support is the second. You are however uninhibited from using the car in the dwg file I sent you as it's a generic outline from the blueprint file.

2. The 'voted' on artwork does not have the outline on 914 WORLD. Since you filled in the letters from the wrong artwork it looks fat.

3. It's my creative property and you don't get to do whatever you want with it. Specially since you just tied it to a commercial endeavor.

4. I would love to see my design produced, but it is on the condition that it uses approved artwork.

I, too, like this black design and think it would look good on my white '73. Would be interested in this one getting produced.

M.i.M.

Hey Chris, Why don't you identify by number how many of the designs in the voting section are yours. If it's really that big of a deal maybe we should just pull them and revote. Or actually the final design is similar but changed enough to "not be yours anymore" It's just a badge. There were several suggestions and changes throughout the design process. If you did want to contribute to the badge thing then why did you? Maybe your just joking around. If that's the case disregard the above. You can use my Alien head if you want.

I have added the thin line to show the vent window. It this point it should be s significant enough change to satisfy your requirements.

Actually, the artwork that was submitted was solely to be used at the discretion of the admins. Since this is their gig. Anything submitted becomes property of 914world, as it it the "non" entity that has the say on how this comes together, and what is used or not used.

If we needed 10 paragraphs about how the submissions are the property of 914world and can be used at their discretion, you are missing the point here. Andy set this place up so that guys that love these cars can share information, and love of these cars. It's a labor of love, and to get problems solved. The last thing we need to do is make this a hassle for him.

Yes I am a commercial venture, I had hoped to use my distribution and labor to make these inexpensively, and distribute using my order and tracking system that is already in place. Anyone that has done GB's can tell you the organization, ability to, pack ,ship and track, are a challenge.

The DWG file I found was not executable in auto cad, so this is the best I can do.

The last thing we need is to do a production run of something and THEN have an intellectual property battle.

Purge ALL of his designs and start over with the agreement that there will be NO "condition that it uses approved artwork"!

In fact I like that one so much, I will make my own.
A guy at work makes concert pins for the grateful dead.

He says he can have a run of just a dozen lapel pins or badges for about $100

I'll tell you what.
Please provide the art worrk that is approved for 914 badge use in Jpeg format here in this thread, That way I'm just printing what you provide.

I, as a contributor and the prickler who brought up the whole badge thing a few months ago when i tried this on another thread...I add two more cents.

I expect and assumed that any submission here (if picked) would be for the sole use by the admins of the World to use for the purpose of a badge. Whatever design was picked would be "owned" by the World. A gift. No conditions; to me this is obvious.

These designs are not available to anyone who wants to make their own.

In any business...you don't submit a final product pending conditions; especially on a visual design where any little change can change the whole look of the thing. Finalize the design then submit it. Hell were voting on it...can't say "Here this is it but change this and that". What will it look like then?

If you don't want it used; don't show it...period. Wastes energy and time.

Personally I like the overall badge design but I do not like the rendering of the car. It doesn't look right or proportional. And to me it will be enough of a deterrent to keep me from buying one; i won't want it on my car unless it looks right.

These badges aren't high end items as it is; the design has a major impact on the final product. If you look close at the PORSCHE crest badges floating around, the letters are all crooked....

To be fair,
Once the artwork is posted. I'll post another thread for yes / no on final approval. If there's more than a 40% no, it should be a revote.
I was hoping to wrap these up and be in production by now, but sometimes thing don't work out as quickly.

I would love to buy a badge... But not if this guy is involved in any form whatsoever... And this is coming from one artist to another.

Sorry for my rant, but man, this one design will not make anyone rich, so lighten up Francis!

Here here!,!!!!

just take the 2nd place one and move on - btw i dont see what he thinks would be HIS, the globe is not his original idea, the word World or 914 are not his idea, etc etc, so forgit the guy and his so-called intellectual property (which is VERY debatable) there were 2 others that i voted for and liked better anyway

O H. C 0 M E. O N.

Get over it. There's no intent to make money. Stop being an sob over design. This is a fun project cause I love my car and it'll dress it up.

Move on and let's get this done. Hang together on this and kiss and make up.

Hey,
I hope we can work this out and make these. I just want it to be clear that the design he is submitting can be used and that there are no issues. So I await the artwork. to be presented in this forum in Jpeg. As far as colors go, gold, white and the red and yellow colors to match the German flag. We have that figured out in the panatone color chart.

I think we can make this work. Often, when you read something it can sound like the other person is coming off like a dick. But if you have a conversation it's not the case. Things can be worded badly, and inflections that were not intended can be inferred. So lets' just give him the benefit of the doubt.

Just awaiting a jpeg submittal to proceed on this.

Actually, a JPG is probably bad since it's a loss compression and tends to blur out lines and edges.

For this, a PNG, TGA or even a BMP would be better (they are lossless), as long as they are in the correct size and don't have to be scaled to fit the badge.


I'm surprised the company making those badges can't utilize Photoshop files ...

They can. Only the last files I received I couldn't open. They were DXF and should open with Autocad, but they wouldn't open. I wanted the graphic posted so that 1 we could make sure everyone was still on board, and 2 make it clear that the artwork was submitted for our use here, leaving no question as to if it needed something added or taken out.

So just for a dat point, I asked my co-worker for a quote on manufacturing badges of this type.
Here is his response:

These would be pretty much the highest quality badges. I wasn’t sure what size to use, but my factory said that most are either 3” or 3.5”, so I got quotes for both. Just let me know if you decide you want to place an order, or if there are any questions I can answer for you.

Cloisonné Grille Badges in a 3 inch with up to 4 colors and 2 studs on the back
25 - $30.00 each
50 - $20.00 each
100 - $15.00 each

Cloisonné Grille Badges in a 3.5 inch with up to 4 colors and 2 studs on the back
25 - $33.00 each
50 - $23.00 each
100 - $18.00 each


So as you can see they are willing to do small production runs of as little as 25.
I think the 100 number is a reasonable run and would probebly sell out @$20 ea.
This guy makes lapel pins for concerts like the Grateful Dead and has them manufactured in China.

I have no interest in trying to make any $$ on the side or being the middleman.
If anyone wants to speak with this person shoot me a PM.

I'd like to have one done with a 911 instead of a 914.

thanks for your effort, Scott

Update - Ray was helpful in getting the original submitted file open So Here's what we got-

These will be with the gold gear edge and will be $18 each.
I'm starting another thread to confirm that we all still want these.

Sweet. I'm probably going to get three.

Just wondering. . .will there still be gold edging around the letters and in the globe, or is that not possible?

It looks great like it is, though.

Yes, I opened a new thread as this one got pretty convoluted, final artwork only to be submitted, we all vote. and DONE

I don't know what to say... I had a nice Holiday vacation

My submission was a concept that I was under the impression I would have time to refine, as is the case with any artwork intended for manufacture. Given the quality of other submissions this is quite reasonable to assume. What was taken by Mark for the vote was never meant to be the final artwork. My problem is Mark's resistance to allow changes to be made, plus his insane rush to jump into production. I said what I needed to -- to put the brakes on.

I am only demanding the opportunity to refine the concept, make changes based on feedback, and let the membership agree it's the best it can be.

As far as Mark goes, today's pm was a sign of the cooperation I was expecting, so I'm glad I didn't post yesterdays true feelings.

I did state that changes had to be made...

Thanks,
I do things pretty fast if I can. The intent is a complete concept, otherwise the vote means nothing. I may not have been completely clear.
So I started the Final thread, so that everything should be at a level playing field.
I thank all that have submitted and ask that all submissions be included in the final thread.
Thanks
Mark

Here's the thread.

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=247991

Could I suggest ...

Admins delete this thread and temporarily pin the new thread to the top and have a final art submit date posted.

I'm past ready as you are to move forward on this.

thanks mark for putting this together - i sense impatience from some here - i want to stress the time and efforts it takes to get this done, and how it appears (to me) that none of these delays are mark's fault - rather, the selfish and entitled issues created by the creator of the winning design appear to have caused all of this trouble - and i say that while also thanking him (sincerely), and all others who contributed to the designs - if i were the benevolent dictator here, i would have simply moved to the #2 voted design, and proceeded - please remember, these (we) are volunteers - no one is making even part of a decent pay check on this - and i'll take 2 when they're done - thanks again, brad in seattle

I concur.

I have no interest in the previous winning design or any updates to that design but I'll buy a couple of the next winner whoever that is.

Is this still going to happen

I forgot about this. Was this set up to purchase yet?