Mega-Thread is gone.... long live Mega-Thread!

Post your feelings on Mega-Thread.

When I found out Mega-Thread was gone, I felt sad.



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I loaded this 50 times to give it a good start.


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Now I'll never know how it ended!

Here, let me clue you in...

IT ENDED WITH KERMIT DELETING IT!




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QUOTE (redshift @ Feb 4 2005, 01:20 AM)

Here, let me clue you in... IT ENDED WITH KERMIT DELETING IT! M

That's just selfish! Pulling the plug on a completely meaningless thread like that....the OT'est of all OT's......and just when it was getting interesting.

J'eah!


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QUOTE (redshift @ Feb 4 2005, 01:20 AM)

Here, let me clue you in... IT ENDED WITH KERMIT DELETING IT! M

Your kidding me!!! Maybe we should all drive our teeners to his house and moon him. Probably doesn't have a 914.

QUOTE (redshift @ Feb 4 2005, 03:43 AM)

Mega-Thread is gone.... long live Mega-Thread! Post your feelings on Mega-Thread. When I found out Mega-Thread was gone, I felt sad. M

Okay, Phoebie.

mikez is offensive!!! I don't know were he gets off....oh...wait a sec...maybe I do




BTW I could care less...it's like a TV, if you no like there is always a little do-dad called an off button.

Oh well,
Kermit must be a hermit,but Mikey's AV's,they rule


Rule on Mikey!


Ron

QUOTE (redshift @ Feb 4 2005, 01:43 AM)

Post your feelings on Mega-Thread. When I found out Mega-Thread was gone, I felt sad. M

Me too... it was like...

I had nothing to live for....

so I went to bed and.... well, never mind... it was offensive

.....b

Zois Av thread comes up every couple of months and its really pathetic that so much energy is spent on it. I think MZ just does it for attention, they certainly have nothing to do with 914s, which should be the focus of this forum.



Zois changed his avatar in the end anyway, so whats the point? 5000 posts was a waste of time and effort, lets not even pay attention in the future. He will do it again soon so be ready for it.

BTW, Kermit is Bay Area local Howard Y...a very fine AXer, concours participant and long time Ravenna green 914 fan...you guys have succeeded in bashing yet another fine 914 owner...all in the name of 'free speech'. Nothing against MZ personally, but those who defend his choice of offensive avatars (and others like him) are the losers, and you do a huge dis-service to the 914 community by tarnishing the image of this site. Standing around a garage talking about 914s is one think, but the conversations and behaviour go in the trash way too often.

I hope Howard Y stays around in spite of your intimidation, he is a great guy and a high caliber 914 owner. There are others equal to his stature who have not returned to this site becasue of the prejudgement and animosity promulgated here. You don't even know the guy.

Well, the thread is back now, (Thank you Lawrence) and I would like for everyone to read back through it. Jeff, you are making a general statement to everyone here on the board unfairly. I never once said anything bad about Kermit there or any other thread. I was merely supporting Mike's choice of expression. This is a garage as you say it and that means there is a door. There is a way for him to turn off the avatars in his own garage, nobody has the right to come into say my garage and tell me what I can or cannot post on the walls. That thread only got out of hand because everyone feels so strongly about it one way or another. It seemed to me, the general consensus was for MikeZ's avatars. You cant really generalize a statement like that towards everyone when it only applies to a few. Granted, those few know who they are and I agree they shouldnt have bashed on Kermit like that, he has the same right to free speech as any one of us does. That is their right and perogative. That is all I have to say.

Think about what you are saying and who it will effect before making a post in a public forum.

Well said, Scott!

Lisa

I think Kermit will come back. He posted within the thread and joined in the fun with his avatar being changed having little extemeties

...b

QUOTE (Sammy @ Feb 4 2005, 08:04 AM)

Jeff, most if not all of the negative posts towards our little green friend came after he posted that some of us should F-off and after he posted an order for Mikey to "change his stupid avitar", basically he asked for it. Like I tell the people working for me at what I sometimes call my day-care center for adults, how you say it is as important as what you say. If he posted that the avitars are a little over the top and that he had a problem with them, or if her PMed mikey and asked if he could tone it down a little, he prolly would have gotten a less harsh reaction. Anywho, it's all resolved now and water under the bridge, now it's all about silly posts and wasting electrons.

Well....duhh.....

If you knew me PERSONALLY....you would find that I am a fun loving family oriented 914 guy that also likes other Porsches (cept watered ones) and has a cutting sense of humor....I hate Howard Stern, so I am not of that ilk....but I like to laugh....but no one TELLS me what to do.....especially some 65 post newbie.

Ask me nice I will play nice....I took a lot of bashing with a sense of humor....I will NOT tolerate much more of it though....I recycle my avatars faster than most people change their socks.....don't like them? Turn them off.....or wait a bit and they will change....

Quite frankly there have been FAR worse posted...mine are milk toast compared to some that have graced these pages.

So who thinks Mike should have all his Avatars painted on the President of the home owners association Garage door?
Ohhh Maybe it IS Kermits house. He was just here to harrass Mike.

Think of this as a shared club garage, each with his or hers own little section. Mikes section has some questionable material hanging on the wall. Mine has had some very questionable stuff on the wall, way more questionable than the one he had posted at the time. Someone asked me to change it and I did. I dont want to cause problems for people in here no more than anyone else. I like to feel welcome here just as much as the other guy. But I do feel that it is my right to hang what I want on the walls. I take a lot of crap here like most of the long time posters do, you just roll with it. Its all in fun. Slits, Howard, MikeZ, they are all friends of mine and we actually talk like that in person to each other. We know its all in fun. Oh Aaron too, he rolls well . Its all about having fun and sharing a common interest. Lets all just play nice and have some fun, isnt that what its all about? I have met so many people that are on here by going to events and chatting on here. Everyone is welcome no matter what you may think is acceptable. Now, lets all meet up this weekend and drive!!

QUOTE (Cloudbuster @ Feb 4 2005, 08:29 AM)

I like seeing avatars, I don't want to have to turn them off because 1 or 2 people feel the need to express themselves more, er, graphically. Avatars provide a non-verbal, (subconscious?) expression of the members that isn't present in text. I like boobies and the female figure, clad, and otherwise. I can appreciate SpecialK's and Levi's avatars. Usually I can ignore the avatars. But, the 'stupid avatar' in question was a moving GIF which attracts attention from miles (not Redshift) away. I'm fortunate that I can surf at work, but having a moving 'look at me!' avatar, makes 914Club-bing as little stressful. It's a garage, but whose garage? Isn't it everybody's garage? Is ownership really determined by the total number of posts whether useful or not? There were a number of people supporting Mike's choice of avatars, but they didn't choose to decorate this garage the same way Mike does. Yes, the situation was handled wrongly in many ways. One response was that if Kermit had more posts, he'd KNOW what this place is like. I find that invalid. It seems the onus of responsibility rests upon the long-time, high-post members. Through countless hours of lurking and many thousands of posts, an old timer gets KNOW what will offend, or set off fellow old-timers and newbies alike. Newbies, unfamiliar with the 'family' should be handled with extra measure of grace -- or condescension, whichever suits you. An old-timer who is aware of quirks, foibles and the median level of behavior within the garage/forum, yet chooses to exceed them is tantamount to being a troll.

Ah bullshit.....the reason THIS site was founded....was to get away from censorship and to be a vendor neutral site. Pelican parts BBS was getting tight assed so we all bolted over here....rennlist had an east coast monitor that didn't appreciate ANY bashing of his bill paying list sponsors.....

So.....here we are......

NOW FOR THE HEARING IMPAIRED.....DON't LIKE THE AVATARS, TURN THEM OFF.....

This is just what that maniac wants: More press. You guys are only encouraging him to be more outrageous. Keep up the good work

And to plug WCC yet again..

Mike will be the MC for the BBQ. All material submitted in this or the avatar post can and will be used against you at that event

On another note,

This Community of 914 owners is actually beneficial to the members. We get together and HELP each other with our cars. Ask DrifterJay, Aaron, MattR or me. Many times, I needed help with something, Mike, Slits, and many other members have come through for me and I give back in return. Aaron is coming over today to weld up his car, I have the space, the tools and the welder to get his car repaired. Its not really the cars, its the people as well. We always have a good time. Twisted1 is a new and welcomed member to out little circle also, he will be a great asset and we are growing all the time. Grow with us and lets have some fun!!!

I decided not to post in the major event, but read along and laughed, then shook my head. It was handled poorly on both sides of the coin.

Howard's a great guy who's excited about Porsches and would (and by all looks of it, still will) be a great contributor to this board. Who cares how many posts he has? If posts earn one the right to anything around here, then I better quit now -- I'll never catch up with you guys!

But why do we keep fighting about this? For the "right" of five or six people to post stuff they wouldn't be able to on almost any board?

Let me get this straight: Politics are (rightly) off limits but pornography isn't... Both issues raise nasty disputes, so let's get rid of 'em. And discarding these two doesn't mean we can't still keep the "family" feel and great OT posts, too.

I agree, the issue is more "a little over the top" than some huge, terrible offense. So I turn off my avatars and deal with it. But why should I have to? Mikez, I'm not mad at you nor will I single you out -- which is why I didn't contribute to the BIG thread. I may disagree with you, but I suspect I would like you quite a bit were I to (or whenever I do) meet you.

I like the name "garage," but this is still a very different thing than a garage. The written word is very different than the spoken one. Perhaps why things got so out of hand.

Is this THAT big a deal to me? Probably not, but it obviously is to others -- and possibly some great contributors.

The fighting makes the answer clear to me...

pete

QUOTE (skline @ Feb 4 2005, 06:50 AM)

nobody has the right to come into say my garage and tell me what I can or cannot post on the walls

and that's your problem ...

this is not your garage! in fact, this is his garage just as much as it is yours.
but you insist to shove your idea of how this garage should look like down his throat.

as i said before, this all comes down to respect. and some here seem to lack respect ...
Andy

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Feb 4 2005, 09:12 AM)

QUOTE (skline @ Feb 4 2005, 06:50 AM) nobody has the right to come into say my garage and tell me what I can or cannot post on the walls and that's your problem ... this is not your garage! in fact, this is his garage just as much as it is yours. but you insist to shove your idea of how this garage should look like down his throat. as i said before, this all comes down to respect. and some here seem to lack respect ... Andy

Andy, I am sorry you took that out of context, please reread what I said. The way I stated it was if he were to come into SAY my garage. I never insinuated that THIS was my gargage. Dont get your panites ruffled. I was being politically correct and fair in my statement.

Thank you for being so blunt and telling me that I dont have any respect.

QUOTE (skline @ Feb 4 2005, 09:36 AM)

I was being politically correct and fair in my statement.

maybe. but since when do we like PC here?

Andy

QUOTE (skline @ Feb 4 2005, 09:36 AM)

Thank you for being so blunt and telling me that I dont have any respect.

Scott, I am sorry you took that out of context, please reread what I said.
I never insinuated that YOU dont have any respect.
Dont get your panites ruffled.
I was being politically correct and fair in my statement.

Andy

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this is not your garage! in fact, this is his garage just as much as it is yours. but you insist to shove your idea of how this garage should look like down his throat. as i said before, this all comes down to respect. and some here seem to lack respect ... Andy

I have to agree with Andy on this point. Kermit got it after a few posts, but others continued to push the issue.

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I like seeing avatars, I don't want to have to turn them off because 1 or 2 people feel the need to express themselves more, er, graphically.

Mark is a realy nice guy that I have had the pleasure to meet in person. But, I dissagree with the concept that seems to be in this statement. The needs of the few do not out weigh the needs of the many. If there is a majority of people that wish things changed, then it would be concievable that change would be inevitable. However, if the majority is unmolested by the current issue then the minority have the coice to stay and accept this reality as it exists or do leave and start their own faction.
Coming to a place where it is accepted to behave a certain way and then to complain about the parts of that behavior that you don't like is like complaining that you want to keep smoking, but you want a healthy cigarette. Or, like going to a strip club and complaining about the naked women. This garage has a real life, imperfect existance that requires a little research to understand. Thus, coming and demanding change, then insulting those involved is illogical.

Both sides could have handled it better (MZ did well, I think), first impressions are a bitch, but I sincerely hope that Howard Y becomes a part of this forum. After what he said initially, he showed that he got it and eventually showed grace (IMHO).

Originally, I didn't like this place because all I saw was dick and ass jokes and it seemed like everyones repressed personalities from the bird board were slingshotting out. Later I found this place to be much more interesting, fun, yes the word is FUN to be at. I accept the good and the bad.



If you have to turn off your avatars because you are offended by some things that the majority considers acceptable, consider that the price of admission. If you dissagree then I bet that the admins will refund your club dues ($0).


(I respect everyones oppinion, even if I do not agree, and if I offended anyone in my post, it was unintentional)

QUOTE (horizontally-opposed @ Feb 4 2005, 12:05 PM)

I decided not to post in the major event, but read along and laughed, then shook my head. It was handled poorly on both sides of the coin. Howard's a great guy who's excited about Porsches and would (and by all looks of it, still will) be a great contributor to this board. Who cares how many posts he has? If posts earn one the right to anything around here, then I better quit now -- I'll never catch up with you guys! But why do we keep fighting about this? For the "right" of five or six people to post stuff they wouldn't be able to on almost any board? Let me get this straight: Politics are (rightly) off limits but pornography isn't... Both issues raise nasty disputes, so let's get rid of 'em. And discarding these two doesn't mean we can't still keep the "family" feel and great OT posts, too. I agree, the issue is more "a little over the top" than some huge, terrible offense. So I turn off my avatars and deal with it. But why should I have to? Mikez, I'm not mad at you nor will I single you out -- which is why I didn't contribute to the BIG thread. I may disagree with you, but I suspect I would like you quite a bit were I to (or whenever I do) meet you. I like the name "garage," but this is still a very different thing than a garage. The written word is very different than the spoken one. Perhaps why things got so out of hand. Is this THAT big a deal to me? Probably not, but it obviously is to others -- and possibly some great contributors. The fighting makes the answer clear to me... pete

QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 4 2005, 09:48 AM)

because you are offended by some things that the majority considers acceptable

but do we really know that?
did the majority of people really speak out?
i think there's a minority here that is very vocal, but just because they shout the loudest does not mean they represent the majority of the mebers here ...

just a thought ...
Andy

Deffinetly a good argument, Andy. But, if when the opportunity presents itself, if those whom take acception to a given topic do not present their oppinion say nothing, then they have no leg to stand on. If you don't vote, you cant complain kinda thing. I am taking into account that the vocal majority are very vocal, but even if you cut their responses by 75% they still out compete the minority. IMHO.

I do like how the admins largely remain un biased. We are lucky.

Maybe we should post a serious pole about offensiveness? I am more curious about the results then any pending actions.

QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 4 2005, 10:01 AM)

If you don't vote, you cant complain kinda thing.

yeah, but a lot of people ignore OT threads alltogether ...

Andy

True, I am usually one. (Dissagree with that you wacky German )

QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Feb 4 2005, 01:48 PM)

I have to agree with Andy on this point. Kermit got it after a few posts, but others continued to push the issue.

SO WHAT! It's ExXxTrEEEEEM POSTING!

QUOTE (horizontally-opposed @ Feb 4 2005, 09:05 AM)

But why do we keep fighting about this? For the "right" of five or six people to post stuff they wouldn't be able to on almost any board?  :headbang:  :headbang:  :headbang: I agree, the issue is more "a little over the top" than some huge, terrible offense. So I turn off my avatars and deal with it. But why should I have to? Mikez, I'm not mad at you nor will I single you out -- which is why I didn't contribute to the BIG thread. I may disagree with you, but I suspect I would like you quite a bit were I to (or whenever I do) meet you. I like the name "garage," but this is still a very different thing than a garage. The written word is very different than the spoken one. Perhaps why things got so out of hand.

Well Pete:

I guess my point is this....I respect everyones right to exist, post on the board and contribute...whteher they are 1 post newbies or seasoned and smelly vets like SLITS......

But......I guess I will use a little story......

New guy goes into a bar,,,,,,sign out side says everyone welcome, "X" is the theme......New guys says...Hey I know a LOT of Stuff about "X".....he goes in and tells all the old farts all the stuff he knows.....he gets his ass pounded.......


Next new guy...same thing....except HE goes in and listens....gets to know people, develop relationships based on mutual respect, trust and level of skill......

Guess who is the one "I" respect, will listen to and work with?

Miles, your blatent waste of cyber space offends me

Oh my God.... this thread is becoming Mega-Thread Jr.


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BTW: I ate chili last night... well, bean soup... and I had to stay home today.

these issues are a exercise in frutialty and a waste of good grey matter. everybody likes to take sides to have a reason to post here . I wish we could have as much energy over something important about our biggest frustation, the dreaded 914 and all its problems or glories. we enjoy pics and discussions of projects here. Thats what is important.

Bernie

NOBODY gets it......you have what is going to be a hostile thread and a couple of us do a major hijack and send it into the abyss of nonsense. By the time it is all said and done, it is hilarious reading.

After about the 3 page, it wasn't about Zits avatars; it was about how badly we friends could bash each other and come away laughing...even Kermit got it at the end.

To me, there is no reason to delete a thread...it's just all garage/bar banter...even if one or two get serious with a Fuck Off, the others can still have fun with it.

Slits is an asshole.....................and doesn't get excited about nonsensical bullshit...which this all is anyway. If you want to mentally masturbate all over the page and get hostile....go for it!

For the record... the second time it disappeared... it wasn't the new thread owner.

It was determined that I overstepped my authority as an Admin, when resurrecting a thread.

QUOTE (Howard @ Feb 4 2005, 09:49 AM)

This is just what that maniac wants: More press. You guys are only encouraging him to be more outrageous. Keep up the good work And to plug WCC yet again.. Mike will be the MC for the BBQ. All material submitted in this or the avatar post can and will be used against you at that event

QUOTE (SLITS @ Feb 4 2005, 10:55 AM)

Slits is an asshole.....................and doesn't get excited about nonsensical bullshit...which this all is anyway.

I disagree, Ron. You're only an asshole if you are one, don't admit it, and take yourself seriously. Not a problem you or Mike suffer from. Let the games go on.

This is the only BBS I read or post on any regular basis. The balance of 50% cars and 50% frivolity here is great IMHO. The nasty posts just provide more fodder for the comics here. Trying to reason this out is like fighting with a pig in the mud. Any sane person would stop once they realize the pig really likes it.

I didn't get to read the thread either time it was up. I was busy at work (yes, I DO work Sometimes) and I wasnt able to get to the puter.

But, someone special did fill me in from time to time on what was going on on the thread. So I got some good scoop on it.

I like Z's avatars except for the exploding head one. That is kinda gross. But then, it does kinda grow on ya.

QUOTE (Lawrence @ Feb 4 2005, 10:58 AM)

For the record... the second time it disappeared... it wasn't the new thread owner.

i did. kermit deleted his thread and that should have been the end of it. when it came back, he asked me to delete it again.

now everybody, go back to working on your 914 ...
Andy

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Feb 4 2005, 12:11 PM)

now everybody, go back to working on your 914 ... Andy

Why, they just break again! If ya leave on jackstands, they don't cost anything

HIJACK

QUOTE (Howard @ Feb 4 2005, 12:08 PM)

QUOTE (SLITS @ Feb 4 2005, 10:55 AM) Slits is an asshole.....................and doesn't get excited about nonsensical bullshit...which this all is anyway. I disagree, Ron. You're only an asshole if you are one, don't admit it, and take yourself seriously. Not a problem you or Mike suffer from. Let the games go on. This is the only BBS I read or post on any regular basis. The balance of 50% cars and 50% frivolity here is great IMHO. The nasty posts just provide more fodder for the comics here. Trying to reason this out is like fighting with a pig in the mud. Any sane person would stop once they realize the pig really likes it.

Ok Howie, I still love ya...but sex is outta the question.

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Why, they just break again! If ya leave on jackstands, they don't cost anything

Is that why you just registered another 914 today?


That would make 2 of 5 now running........right?

QUOTE (Toast @ Feb 4 2005, 12:20 PM)

QUOTE Why, they just break again! If ya leave on jackstands, they don't cost anything Is that why you just registered another 914 today? That would make 2 of 5 now running........right?

3 of 5

QUOTE (Lawrence @ Feb 4 2005, 02:58 PM)

It was determined that I overstepped my authority as an Admin, when resurrecting a thread.

ROFLMFAO!

Rusty, I love ya man, thanks for trying!



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the only issue i have is the misuse of their, there, and they're.

k