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Does anyone know what trans works with a 928 motor in a 914? I was thinking about using an Audi motor but I want something dumber that will work with 4 Webers. Thanks for the input.
Why not use the stock 928 fuel injection?
Dude, at least ask Rick abut this
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He's a newbie folks & I doubt he'll get all your cryptic symbolism here:
Try PM or email to Rick with the 928 powered alien" 914-8:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=43
Yes it will work & can be done.
The harder one would be to do a 908 powered flat-8 aircooled like the 2 factour 914-8 prototypes, cuz those motors & transaxles are like hens teeth!
Good Luck!
Tom
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Try PM or email to Rick with the 928 powered alien" 914-8:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showuser=43
Yes it will work & can be done.
The harder one would be to do a 908 powered flat-8 aircooled like the 2 factour 914-8 prototypes, cuz those motors & transaxles are like hens teeth!
Good Luck!
Tom
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Buying, configuring, and dialing in 4 webers? No thank you. 
Who in their right mind would put a 928 engine in a 914? What? Oh, right... Never mind. 
Alien Build Thread:
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=7725
Lots of good information there!
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?showtopic=7725
Lots of good information there!
Stock 901 transmission with a homemade* adapter is what Rick did.
Transfer punches, jig saw and a wood router is what he used if I am correct!
Transfer punches, jig saw and a wood router is what he used if I am correct!
As far as I know the 928 never had carbs, so it's a no better choice than an Audi motor. The bonus is the Audi motor will bolt to the VW/Audi/Boxster trans.
What's wrong with an Audi motor? 
Webers on a 928 engine have been done. There was a street rod done in California in the 80's. More of a show car than a driver.
928 engines are a very different animal. The US spec engines are only 218-219 hp. Kind of a waste of time when you can bolt in a 6 with no drama and get that easy.
The euro engines stock are 300-310 advertised hp.
The engines are higher compression, have larger valves, bigger ports, the inside of the spyder runners are larger and the throttle body is way bigger than the US engine.
There are very few mods that can be done. The challenge is the block. It's made of allusil. The whole block. You can only run the special iron coated pistons. Try to use aftermarket pistons and they stick to the block.
The other limitation are the cams. They are a long duration short lift designed for F.I. Not suited for carbs.
The engine I have is what is called a hybrid. I am running a 5.0 block and pistons. The 5.0 is a 32 valve engine. I had the piston notched for 16 valve heads. I have a complete euro-spec "S" 16 valve top end with CIS. This combo is producing over 350 RW hp. in the 928's turning all the accessories. I'm only turning an alternator.
Oh: and I used a 901 with an HB 5th and sorted stack. It's a custom length side shift. (as in I cut the housing with a router to make it fit. No one makes any conversion parts. I made my own adaptor plate and custom flywheel and clutch.
I drive the car hard. Sandy and I have been to almost every corner of the country more than once. I built a cruiser not a town car.
928 engines are a very different animal. The US spec engines are only 218-219 hp. Kind of a waste of time when you can bolt in a 6 with no drama and get that easy.
The euro engines stock are 300-310 advertised hp.
The engines are higher compression, have larger valves, bigger ports, the inside of the spyder runners are larger and the throttle body is way bigger than the US engine. There are very few mods that can be done. The challenge is the block. It's made of allusil. The whole block. You can only run the special iron coated pistons. Try to use aftermarket pistons and they stick to the block.
The other limitation are the cams. They are a long duration short lift designed for F.I. Not suited for carbs.
The engine I have is what is called a hybrid. I am running a 5.0 block and pistons. The 5.0 is a 32 valve engine. I had the piston notched for 16 valve heads. I have a complete euro-spec "S" 16 valve top end with CIS. This combo is producing over 350 RW hp. in the 928's turning all the accessories. I'm only turning an alternator.
Oh: and I used a 901 with an HB 5th and sorted stack. It's a custom length side shift. (as in I cut the housing with a router to make it fit. No one makes any conversion parts. I made my own adaptor plate and custom flywheel and clutch.
I drive the car hard. Sandy and I have been to almost every corner of the country more than once. I built a cruiser not a town car.
thanks for all the input. and by the was taking advice from a guy that doesn't eat meat is like taking advice from a woman, rite Elliot
QUOTE(garrettlee2 @ Jul 21 2015, 09:30 PM) 
thanks for all the input. and by the was taking advice from a guy that doesn't eat meat is like taking advice from a woman, rite Elliot
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 21 2015, 10:21 PM)
Webers on a 928 engine have been done. There was a street rod done in California in the 80's. More of a show car than a driver.
928 engines are a very different animal. The US spec engines are only 218-219 hp. Kind of a waste of time when you can bolt in a 6 with no drama and get that easy.
The euro engines stock are 300-310 advertised hp.
The engines are higher compression, have larger valves, bigger ports, the inside of the spyder runners are larger and the throttle body is way bigger than the US engine. There are very few mods that can be done. The challenge is the block. It's made of allusil. The whole block. You can only run the special iron coated pistons. Try to use aftermarket pistons and they stick to the block.
The other limitation are the cams. They are a long duration short lift designed for F.I. Not suited for carbs.
The engine I have is what is called a hybrid. I am running a 5.0 block and pistons. The 5.0 is a 32 valve engine. I had the piston notched for 16 valve heads. I have a complete euro-spec "S" 16 valve top end with CIS. This combo is producing over 350 RW hp. in the 928's turning all the accessories. I'm only turning an alternator.
Oh: and I used a 901 with an HB 5th and sorted stack. It's a custom length side shift. (as in I cut the housing with a router to make it fit. No one makes any conversion parts. I made my own adaptor plate and custom flywheel and clutch.
I drive the car hard. Sandy and I have been to almost every corner of the country more than once. I built a cruiser not a town car.
928 motor in a 914? Crazy talk...only crazy people would do something like that...
and all 914's should be kept bone stock!!
oh...wait...
Rick...wasn't there something about it actually not fitting and having to 'move' the firewall?
QUOTE(naro914 @ Jul 23 2015, 04:16 PM)
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 21 2015, 10:21 PM)
Webers on a 928 engine have been done. There was a street rod done in California in the 80's. More of a show car than a driver.
928 engines are a very different animal. The US spec engines are only 218-219 hp. Kind of a waste of time when you can bolt in a 6 with no drama and get that easy.
The euro engines stock are 300-310 advertised hp.
The engines are higher compression, have larger valves, bigger ports, the inside of the spyder runners are larger and the throttle body is way bigger than the US engine. There are very few mods that can be done. The challenge is the block. It's made of allusil. The whole block. You can only run the special iron coated pistons. Try to use aftermarket pistons and they stick to the block.
The other limitation are the cams. They are a long duration short lift designed for F.I. Not suited for carbs.
The engine I have is what is called a hybrid. I am running a 5.0 block and pistons. The 5.0 is a 32 valve engine. I had the piston notched for 16 valve heads. I have a complete euro-spec "S" 16 valve top end with CIS. This combo is producing over 350 RW hp. in the 928's turning all the accessories. I'm only turning an alternator.
Oh: and I used a 901 with an HB 5th and sorted stack. It's a custom length side shift. (as in I cut the housing with a router to make it fit. No one makes any conversion parts. I made my own adaptor plate and custom flywheel and clutch.
I drive the car hard. Sandy and I have been to almost every corner of the country more than once. I built a cruiser not a town car.
928 motor in a 914? Crazy talk...only crazy people would do something like that...
and all 914's should be kept bone stock!!
oh...wait...
Rick...wasn't there something about it actually not fitting and having to 'move' the firewall?
Hi Bob
Ya, Not even close to a bolt in deal. Not for the faint of heart...
We would really LOVE to see Alien at Okteenerfest! (oh, and you and the misses too!!) 
Amazingly, you made that engine look like it fit just fine. A true testament to "if you can dream it, it can happen!"
Amazingly, you made that engine look like it fit just fine. A true testament to "if you can dream it, it can happen!"
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 21 2015, 07:21 PM)
Webers on a 928 engine have been done. There was a street rod done in California in the 80's. More of a show car than a driver.
928 engines are a very different animal. The US spec engines are only 218-219 hp. Kind of a waste of time when you can bolt in a 6 with no drama and get that easy.
The euro engines stock are 300-310 advertised hp.
The engines are higher compression, have larger valves, bigger ports, the inside of the spyder runners are larger and the throttle body is way bigger than the US engine. There are very few mods that can be done. The challenge is the block. It's made of allusil. The whole block. You can only run the special iron coated pistons. Try to use aftermarket pistons and they stick to the block.
The other limitation are the cams. They are a long duration short lift designed for F.I. Not suited for carbs.
The engine I have is what is called a hybrid. I am running a 5.0 block and pistons. The 5.0 is a 32 valve engine. I had the piston notched for 16 valve heads. I have a complete euro-spec "S" 16 valve top end with CIS. This combo is producing over 350 RW hp. in the 928's turning all the accessories. I'm only turning an alternator.
Oh: and I used a 901 with an HB 5th and sorted stack. It's a custom length side shift. (as in I cut the housing with a router to make it fit. No one makes any conversion parts. I made my own adaptor plate and custom flywheel and clutch.
I drive the car hard. Sandy and I have been to almost every corner of the country more than once. I built a cruiser not a town car.
Rick,
It would be great to see your built alien in person one day. Don't know if you went to the last WCR.
Dave
QUOTE(rhodyguy @ Jul 21 2015, 10:35 AM)
Buying, configuring, and dialing in 4 webers? No thank you.
There's a guy who comes to the local car cruse with a 4 weber IDA set up. For american iron they used to sell a bolt on manifold and all, like the one below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq3kSe0qujg
QUOTE(arkitect @ Jul 24 2015, 05:28 AM)
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 21 2015, 07:21 PM)
Webers on a 928 engine have been done. There was a street rod done in California in the 80's. More of a show car than a driver.
928 engines are a very different animal. The US spec engines are only 218-219 hp. Kind of a waste of time when you can bolt in a 6 with no drama and get that easy.
The euro engines stock are 300-310 advertised hp.
The engines are higher compression, have larger valves, bigger ports, the inside of the spyder runners are larger and the throttle body is way bigger than the US engine. There are very few mods that can be done. The challenge is the block. It's made of allusil. The whole block. You can only run the special iron coated pistons. Try to use aftermarket pistons and they stick to the block.
The other limitation are the cams. They are a long duration short lift designed for F.I. Not suited for carbs.
The engine I have is what is called a hybrid. I am running a 5.0 block and pistons. The 5.0 is a 32 valve engine. I had the piston notched for 16 valve heads. I have a complete euro-spec "S" 16 valve top end with CIS. This combo is producing over 350 RW hp. in the 928's turning all the accessories. I'm only turning an alternator.
Oh: and I used a 901 with an HB 5th and sorted stack. It's a custom length side shift. (as in I cut the housing with a router to make it fit. No one makes any conversion parts. I made my own adaptor plate and custom flywheel and clutch.
I drive the car hard. Sandy and I have been to almost every corner of the country more than once. I built a cruiser not a town car.
Rick,
It would be great to see your built alien in person one day. Don't know if you went to the last WCR.
Dave
Good news - there are 2 things that make Rick come to CA - a good deal and a good time.
QUOTE(garrettlee2 @ Jul 21 2015, 07:30 PM)
thanks for all the input. and by the was taking advice from a guy that doesn't eat meat is like taking advice from a woman, rite Elliot
The only advice I give people is, if you eat meat it will kill you. Eventually.
Rumor has it that Rick may be moving to the West coast because Mark is moving East! 
that Rick may be moving to the West coast because Mark is moving East!
QUOTE(RobW @ Jul 24 2015, 08:40 AM)
QUOTE(arkitect @ Jul 24 2015, 05:28 AM)
QUOTE(rick 918-S @ Jul 21 2015, 07:21 PM)
Webers on a 928 engine have been done. There was a street rod done in California in the 80's. More of a show car than a driver.
928 engines are a very different animal. The US spec engines are only 218-219 hp. Kind of a waste of time when you can bolt in a 6 with no drama and get that easy.
The euro engines stock are 300-310 advertised hp.
The engines are higher compression, have larger valves, bigger ports, the inside of the spyder runners are larger and the throttle body is way bigger than the US engine. There are very few mods that can be done. The challenge is the block. It's made of allusil. The whole block. You can only run the special iron coated pistons. Try to use aftermarket pistons and they stick to the block.
The other limitation are the cams. They are a long duration short lift designed for F.I. Not suited for carbs.
The engine I have is what is called a hybrid. I am running a 5.0 block and pistons. The 5.0 is a 32 valve engine. I had the piston notched for 16 valve heads. I have a complete euro-spec "S" 16 valve top end with CIS. This combo is producing over 350 RW hp. in the 928's turning all the accessories. I'm only turning an alternator.
Oh: and I used a 901 with an HB 5th and sorted stack. It's a custom length side shift. (as in I cut the housing with a router to make it fit. No one makes any conversion parts. I made my own adaptor plate and custom flywheel and clutch.
I drive the car hard. Sandy and I have been to almost every corner of the country more than once. I built a cruiser not a town car.
Rick,
It would be great to see your built alien in person one day. Don't know if you went to the last WCR.
Dave
Good news - there are 2 things that make Rick come to CA - a good deal and a good time.
You know me so wellRob!
Yes Dave,
Sandy and I were there. We have been to several Western events with the Alien. But this year we were in 7 of 9.
She has since been assimilated
into a new family that really digs her. 
Photo from the new owner. I changed the color of the hood before she left but I didn't touch her big tits.Click to view attachment
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Jul 24 2015, 01:44 PM)
QUOTE(garrettlee2 @ Jul 21 2015, 07:30 PM)
thanks for all the input. and by the was taking advice from a guy that doesn't eat meat is like taking advice from a woman, rite Elliot
The only advice I give people is, if you eat meat it will kill you. Eventually.
Oh I don't know about that Elliott... That sandwich you had at the picnic luncheon damn near caused you to break your neck or something...
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