are the 1.7s really pokey or what? Is it worth the gas savings?

An injected 2.0 gets twice as far on a tank as a carbed 1.7. that needs a valve adjustment.

A carbed 1.7 is no better than a 67 vette being driven carefully.



M

i had a 1,7 and it was quick enough when driven well. the displacement is down a bit but it also had the highest compression out of the box of any 914. as a result of its "orphan stepchild" status they are often available at relative discount prices.

and you can always go bigger - or 6 - or V8 - or whatever - later. and they can be very efficient. if you have a lot of distance driving to do - well - it's $2/gal pretty much everywhere, and it all adds up ...

A running 1.7 with FI gets about 30+ mpg and has about 80hp. If Miles is driving it gets about 15 mpg.
A good running 2.0L with FI gets about 25+ mpg and has about 95hp. If Miles is driving it gets about 5mpg.

Geoff

yeah i was looking at engine prices....they are runnign fairly cheap. my tired 2.0 for a new 1.7 sounds like a good deal....and i could just adjust my MPS and get a new computer, or just keep all my 2.0 stuff and buy a computer and MPS caibrated for 1.7

no... no no no no no...

If I use the gas that came in my car, I get 4009 miles per engine..

Hey Geoff, is that Karl by your name?


M

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Feb 28 2005, 03:32 PM)

yeah i was looking at engine prices....they are runnign fairly cheap. my tired 2.0 for a new 1.7 sounds like a good deal....and i could just adjust my MPS and get a new computer, or just keep all my 2.0 stuff and buy a computer and MPS caibrated for 1.7

I am going to have a 1.7 FI for sale soon. Rebuilt top end by a local Porsche shop. Doesn't even have 300 miles on it yet. Super clean. You get brain, fires up and runs like new. $300 it's yours. Sorry for the plug.

i just have to find a way to get that to me.....a 1.7 that runs very well is WAY better than a 2.0 that runs so-so. i'm tired of worrying. I just want to get in and drive. You know? Just my opinion

Roots has got a Great deal.
That is perfect for a fellow to get his car on the road and driving.
The Shipping will cost about $250 but If you check it out you may get it Cheaper.

Yeah, if you don't buy that, I will, and raise the price when you do want it.

I'm like that!


M

YEA!!! just want to get in and go

Dan, offer it to the guy in Spain who is resto ing a 1.7 car!

QUOTE (Root_Werks @ Feb 28 2005, 03:38 PM)

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Feb 28 2005, 03:32 PM) yeah i was looking at engine prices....they are runnign fairly cheap. my tired 2.0 for a new 1.7 sounds like a good deal....and i could just adjust my MPS and get a new computer, or just keep all my 2.0 stuff and buy a computer and MPS caibrated for 1.7 I am going to have a 1.7 FI for sale soon. Rebuilt top end by a local Porsche shop. Doesn't even have 300 miles on it yet. Super clean. You get brain, fires up and runs like new. $300 it's yours. Sorry for the plug.

So dan you decided to /6 the orange car rather that Blackie?

I have a 1.7...

It runs great, it is a tank of a motor...

Think about it....the heads have the most meat (no cracks)
The cylinders have the thickest walls....

I love the motor, and when i replace it with a 2.4 I will miss it...it starts every time, burns about 1 quart a year...no drips (I fixed all of them)

Other than that...I can have alot of fun daily driving it and never ever worry about the motor....

There is a guy here in MA that turbos 1.7 liter motors....never even open them up....whn they die, he just put another one in....they are cheap and simple, plenty of power to have alot of fun.....

Just take a 72 VW bus for a ride....then take the 914 for a ride....the 914 1.7 will seem like light speed compared to the bus

Rich

sweet

I have a 1.7L (as one can see below).

It is a gas sipper without a doubt.

My odometer does not work, my speedometer does not work but the"low fuel idiot light" operates.


On the "backroads" I like to drive here in Arizona, one can easily find themselves 100 miles from the nearest gas station, so I do have a good idea of my fuel usage.


That "idiot light" would not help much so far out into the desert here.


That being said (well, typed, really), one can get 30 miles to the gallon without even trying, 35 mpg on the interstate if it is fairly flat, although I avoid interstate highways whenever possible (["all you see on the interstate is interstate"] from the movie Planes, Trains and Automobiles).


I believe the "low power" of the 1.7L has made me, perhaps, a better driver.


One must be in the correct gear at the correct time to use the "power band" of this "little" motor.


I just saw an ad for a new (read here expensive) "hybrid" car touting "THIRTY MILES TO THE GALLON, CITY".


Not really a "breakthrough", I think.


John

YEAH!!!! i like what I am hearing....

Do it.. it's nice having an engine that won't overheat and just keeps running. There's enough power there. As far as I know the computers are different. Don't mess with your MPS, adjusting those never works out and 1.7 ones can be had cheap. check part numbers and make sure all your FI parts are compatible. Oh, injectors are different too.

the 1,7 is anemic. Slits told me it's got the best compression out of all years (stock) but least displacement. It should be fine if you know how to shift Hell, even my 1,8 can scoot if you drive it right. I don't see why the same can't be said for a 1,7. Just don't go with dual 40 or 44 IDFs if it's got a stock (FI) cam in there.

i just hope I can find a cheap way to get the engine from dan root. And i hope I can come up with $300 in cash to give to him.

QUOTE (rdauenhauer @ Feb 28 2005, 04:17 PM)

QUOTE (Root_Werks @ Feb 28 2005, 03:38 PM) QUOTE (bd1308 @ Feb 28 2005, 03:32 PM) yeah i was looking at engine prices....they are runnign fairly cheap. my tired 2.0 for a new 1.7 sounds like a good deal....and i could just adjust my MPS and get a new computer, or just keep all my 2.0 stuff and buy a computer and MPS caibrated for 1.7 I am going to have a 1.7 FI for sale soon. Rebuilt top end by a local Porsche shop. Doesn't even have 300 miles on it yet. Super clean. You get brain, fires up and runs like new. $300 it's yours. Sorry for the plug. So dan you decided to /6 the orange car rather that Blackie?

Sorry Rich, yeah, the orange car is getting flared and sixed reeeealy soon. Escpecially now that I have a motor just sitting in my garage. I just sent off the upper and lower dashes to the Evil one for treatment. I have all the pieces, just have to get Craigs V8 flares on and car out of here so I can start working on mine.

QUOTE (Brando @ Feb 28 2005, 06:42 PM)

the 1,7 is anemic.

Well, most of them are. There are a few exceptions.

-Ben M.

1.7 will squeel, consistantly.

It's not what I would call a classical 'tire mill'...


M

Dan you still serious about this engine? does it have tin...

Hey I got an early 1.7L W case low serial # from my 70 teener. set up for FI, Domed pistons, port matched heads, Lapped valves, no oil leaks. Made 32 MPG comming from Everrett last year. That was running 75 80 MPH car was loaded down with tons of crap. Motor push me and Rob Watson to 105 one hot summer day last year. Probably could have gotten more out but ran into traffic.
Ran it in 3 Autocrosses and changed it out for the 2.0L fire breather. Long block and tin computer intake throttle body distributor fuel pump pressure regulator No injectors or MPS.
Kentucky ain't far about 9 hrs. Come get it for 350.00

that sounds like a good deal....could you hang on to that for a bit? Where can I find some used injectors and MPS?