Mikey914
Jul 21 2017, 12:10 PM
Now you know why
I guess George's vin numbers were a bargain
Mikey914
Jul 21 2017, 12:21 PM
Just minor rust in the usual areas
bretth
Jul 21 2017, 12:33 PM
Wow. Never mind 'barn find'. Ocean bottom find!
dyckster
Jul 21 2017, 12:41 PM
"ocean bottom find" that made my day!!
iwanta914-6
Jul 21 2017, 12:53 PM
Makes me sad to see it like that...
SirAndy
Jul 21 2017, 01:10 PM
"Clean title, ran when parked"
Tom_T
Jul 21 2017, 01:11 PM
Awwwh .... that should buff out!
Thought for the Day:
So if one were to replace 90+% of the sheet metal on that body to get all that serious tinworm damage, along with probably 70-90% of the interior & mechanical parts - is it still an original factory six!?
Tom
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boxsterfan
Jul 21 2017, 01:16 PM
Restoration design has everything you need after you actually find a complete car.
era vulgaris
Jul 21 2017, 01:18 PM
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jul 21 2017, 03:11 PM)
Awwwh .... that should buff out!
Thought for the Day:
So if one were to replace 90+% of the sheet metal on that body to get all that serious tinworm damage, along with probably 70-90% of the interior & mechanical parts - is it still an original factory six!?
Tom
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If this #2 built Samba will still be the #2 built Samba after it's restored, then yes, that'll still be a factory 6.
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2017/07/19/se...go-restoration/
mepstein
Jul 21 2017, 01:19 PM
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jul 21 2017, 03:11 PM)
Awwwh .... that should buff out!
Thought for the Day:
So if one were to replace 90+% of the sheet metal on that body to get all that serious tinworm damage, along with probably 70-90% of the interior & mechanical parts - is it still an original factory six!?
Tom
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Yes
SirAndy
Jul 21 2017, 01:38 PM
QUOTE(mepstein @ Jul 21 2017, 12:19 PM)
QUOTE(Tom_T @ Jul 21 2017, 03:11 PM)
So if one were to replace 90+% of the sheet metal on that body to get all that serious tinworm damage, along with probably 70-90% of the interior & mechanical parts - is it still an original factory six!?
Yes
Mueller
Jul 21 2017, 01:42 PM
You'd have to pay me 9 grand to take that pile of parts.
Mark Henry
Jul 21 2017, 01:49 PM
Just wow...
SO.O.C914er
Jul 21 2017, 01:56 PM
Who is man enough to take on that restoration project
booyaa
Chris914n6
Jul 21 2017, 02:16 PM
Beverly Hillsboro Car Club?
914forme
Jul 21 2017, 02:24 PM
I need that... never mind I don't see anything there that I can use on my -6 restoration.
But I think it is worth 9K to the right guy who happens to have a tub and really needs a -6 hopefully your TIG skills are up to snuff because it will be very hard to weld that tin worm backup and not leave a trace that you did it.
On the plus side I think you could cut the VIN plates out with a butter knife.
somd914
Jul 21 2017, 02:31 PM
Forget Bring a Trailer, this obviously was found on Bring a Shovel & Wheelbarrow...
flyer86d
Jul 21 2017, 03:00 PM
There have been some pretty ambitious restorations by members on this site but that might be a good candidate for a body swap.
Charlie
My 914
Jul 21 2017, 03:08 PM
Good project for a white body.
Mikey914
Jul 21 2017, 03:12 PM
QUOTE(914forme @ Jul 21 2017, 01:24 PM)
I need that... never mind I don't see anything there that I can use on my -6 restoration.
But I think it is worth 9K to the right guy who happens to have a tub and really needs a -6 hopefully your TIG skills are up to snuff because it will be very hard to weld that tin worm backup and not leave a trace that you did it.
On the plus side I think you could cut the VIN plates out with a butter knife.
It's basically a vin swap.
I was thinking about trying to do this, but originally the price was 7k, when the seller thought he could make more he upped the price. I asked him what I was actually getting the answer is a clean title and n
Vin plates. I did ask what condition they were in, supposedly they are ok.
I think he plans to eBay it, so keep an eye out.
I did want to salvage what I could, and use new metal, but it's easily a $30k body investment and another 30k in the motor if I'm lucky. So backed away. To do it right will take some serious cash.
bretth
Jul 21 2017, 03:25 PM
It's so mangled you could claim it was an original 914-8 and nobody would be able to prove otherwise. I'd take it for a grand if i had the garage space. Slowly work on it over twenty years and drive it in my retirement.
Cairo94507
Jul 21 2017, 03:27 PM
I hope someone posts the VIN to keep everyone honest. Not us, but flippers who think they can pull the wool over the eyes of others.
Besides, in 10 years people will be talking about that car lamenting they could have bought it for $9K......now they want $50K for it in much worse condition (if that's possible).
SirAndy
Jul 21 2017, 03:34 PM
QUOTE(Cairo94507 @ Jul 21 2017, 02:27 PM)
I hope someone posts the VIN to keep everyone honest.
Mikey914
Jul 21 2017, 04:47 PM
The seller was very careful not to disclose the vin other than it was in the 300s, but without a COA no way to tell the car was a real 6.
mb911
Jul 21 2017, 04:48 PM
Umm buy it and store it away for a few more years.. Then decide. Not making any new ones..
Mikey914
Jul 21 2017, 04:51 PM
Will probably be on eBay soon. Maybe I'm stupid for not doing this, but it didn't feel "right"
banananose914
Jul 21 2017, 04:58 PM
That certainly has me thinking, what if? Although I could store it, and maybe afford it, that is a lot of work. Obviously.
banananose914
Jul 21 2017, 05:01 PM
QUOTE(banananose914 @ Jul 21 2017, 03:58 PM)
That certainly has me thinking, what if? Although I could store it, and maybe afford it, that is a lot of work. Obviously.
I just checked, I can't afford it. Carry on.
My 914
Jul 21 2017, 05:08 PM
The body of that car is an example of why they made white bodies. Sometimes it's just better to start all over.
mepstein
Jul 21 2017, 05:31 PM
I like a challenge but this one is too far gone.
Front yard mechanic
Jul 21 2017, 06:45 PM
The vin tag is corroded
Chris914n6
Jul 21 2017, 08:15 PM
QUOTE(Mikey914 @ Jul 21 2017, 03:47 PM)
The seller was very careful not to disclose the vin other than it was in the 300s, but without a COA no way to tell the car was a real 6.
The VIN would start with 914xxx instead of 47xxx.
Sometimes it's better to just not deal with someone elses
Larmo63
Jul 21 2017, 08:22 PM
It's too far gone. The engine and a few bits might be worth something, but can someone just put it out of it's misery?
pete000
Jul 21 2017, 10:00 PM
Seen worse !
Fix it ...
Socalandy
Jul 21 2017, 10:34 PM
cary
Jul 21 2017, 10:49 PM
Matt and I were talking about this this afternoon. Is there enough of the right inner fender to build a car around ? When does it become a vin swap rather than a repair/restoration ?
Click to view attachment
Mikey914
Jul 21 2017, 11:32 PM
Pretty much a swap, but I seriously think the vin may not have enough metal in the front to have a viable vin. What then? I have a clean title, can I reconstruct a vin, maybe, but best not to get involved.
carr914
Jul 22 2017, 03:57 AM
356 guys would say that is Mint!
My 914
Jul 22 2017, 06:02 AM
QUOTE(cary @ Jul 22 2017, 12:49 AM)
Matt and I were talking about this this afternoon. Is there enough of the right inner fender to build a car around ? When does it become a vin swap rather than a repair/restoration ?
Click to view attachmentRight about now.
914Sixer
Jul 22 2017, 06:41 AM
That car was on theSamba a couple of years ago. I want to say it was in S Dakota or Nebraska. Original asking price was around $10K.. Next time I saw it, the car was on Ebay.
SirAndy
Jul 22 2017, 11:11 AM
QUOTE(cary @ Jul 21 2017, 09:49 PM)
When does it become a vin swap rather than a repair/restoration ?
When you cut out the VIN and swap it to another chassis?
cary
Jul 22 2017, 01:54 PM
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 22 2017, 10:11 AM)
QUOTE(cary @ Jul 21 2017, 09:49 PM)
When does it become a vin swap rather than a repair/restoration ?
When you cut out the VIN and swap it to another chassis?
I got that part. Short of a front clip swap how much of the trunk/right fender would you have keep ? In one of the posts above they were talking you could replace 80/90 of the car.
Just curious .... I might have go to Oregon DMV and pose the question.
Mikey914
Jul 22 2017, 02:49 PM
Yeah that was a moral quandry for me. Best to not get involved.
mepstein
Jul 22 2017, 02:52 PM
QUOTE(cary @ Jul 22 2017, 03:54 PM)
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 22 2017, 10:11 AM)
QUOTE(cary @ Jul 21 2017, 09:49 PM)
When does it become a vin swap rather than a repair/restoration ?
When you cut out the VIN and swap it to another chassis?
I got that part. Short of a front clip swap how much of the trunk/right fender would you have keep ? In one of the posts above they were talking you could replace 80/90 of the car.
Just curious .... I might have go to Oregon DMV and pose the question.
There is no hard and fast rule that I've ever heard of. It's what Andy said, rebuild the car with 90%+ new and it's rebuilt. Cut out the vin and weld it into a different shell and it's a vin swap.
pete000
Jul 22 2017, 03:02 PM
Porsche classic would repair it. But in the end it would just be a VIN swap...
Chris914n6
Jul 22 2017, 03:16 PM
I think "NEW" is the key word. How much new sheetmetal is being used, how much original car, and how much of it is old sheetmetal from a different car? If the majority is from a different car then it's actually the other car with a VIN swap. If you rebuilt it using metal from a dozen wrecked cars then you could probably get away with it as it would be more of a reconstruction.
Mikey914
Jul 22 2017, 03:40 PM
The only "correct" way to do this in my opinion would be to send to Porsche classic. Then it truely would be 100% factory.
mepstein
Jul 22 2017, 04:03 PM
QUOTE(Chris914n6 @ Jul 22 2017, 05:16 PM)
I think "NEW" is the key word. How much new sheetmetal is being used, how much original car, and how much of it is old sheetmetal from a different car? If the majority is from a different car then it's actually the other car with a VIN swap. If you rebuilt it using metal from a dozen wrecked cars then you could probably get away with it as it would be more of a reconstruction.
That's your opinion but not reality.
KELTY360
Jul 22 2017, 05:43 PM
Strictly my personal opinion, but to me, the cowl is critical. If the cowl and right inner fender can be preserved, the car can be rebuilt around that. Even if those areas need repair, the integrity of the car/VIN remain intact. If you're just cutting out the inner fender and grafting on another tub, it's a different car.
forrestkhaag
Jul 22 2017, 06:51 PM
For me, it comes down to what, exactly, is your time worth. 9K?
One has to assume that money is no object in a pursuit of this considerable dementia.
If the Vin does not start with 914, forget it. on any of several places on the "car"
On the time thing, if you have a life sentence (unlike O.J.) and your only punishment via the courts is to restore the 914 that the guy you killed owned....(for his smoking hot wife to drive, by the way..), then take it on.
But you are not going to get lucky with her........... being in the poky and all...
Otherwise, use your time wisely and walk away.
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