davesprinkle
Nov 25 2017, 11:52 PM
Driving Santa Rosa Creek Road today. I banged a 3-2 downshift. Couple of pops in the exhaust, then no torque. I coast to a stop. Engine cranks fast but doesn't light.
I put a finger on the air flap and hear the fuel pump run. Good.
Voltage to the coil? 10.8V. (Low, but I've been cranking on this damn thing for a bit. So, OK.)
I pull the distribulator cap and look at the points. OK.
I'm out of easy options, so I start walking. Seven miles back to town. No cell service.
I'm thinking I bent some valves on an over-rev. Here's a pic:
davesprinkle
Nov 26 2017, 12:01 AM
I walk back to Cambria. It's dark. Can't extract the car tonight.
I go to the Creekside Inn. The guy behind the counter says they've got a room. I say I'll take it. He offers me some weed. You know, for medicinal purposes. I say thanks, but I'm not sick. Got any mescal?
I wait 30 minutes for the one guy in town who drives a taxi. He doesn't show. Hotel counter guy says for 20 bux I'll drive you. So when we're getting in his Corolla, I see he's got a tracker beacon strapped to his ankle. Great.
We drive back to the 914. It's dark. On the way there, we hit an owl. The 914 is still where I left it. It still won't start. I get my bag.
Now I'm back in the room. Thankfully, they provide wine glasses here. Finest hotel I've ever been in.
ConeDodger
Nov 26 2017, 12:09 AM
Well, damn. But there are worse places to stranded. Elliot isn’t too far off...
Krieger
Nov 26 2017, 12:10 AM
Damn! Maybe your coil took a crap. Check for spark. Hard to crank and look for sparking plug wire alone. Don't drink too much vino tonight. You have a busy day ahead. Good luck bro!
EdwardBlume
Nov 26 2017, 07:15 AM
Was Mr Anklebracelet's name Norman? Was he complaining about his Mom?
Sorry for your misfortune, but glad to see things are getting better. There a P shop in SLO if you can't get it going...
McMark
Nov 26 2017, 07:20 AM
'73-914kid
Nov 26 2017, 08:06 AM
If I remember correctly, there's a NAPA in Cambria, or at least there used to be, as well as a number of hot rod shops all in a small industrial park on the south part of the town.
Does the car sound the same as it usually does when it cranks? If you smacked/bent valves, you would hear one or more cylinders lacking compression when cranking, as the motor speeds up on the compression stroke of the bad cylinder.
I would check for spark. I know it happened on a rough downshift, but a couple of pops, then nothing, sounds like a bad ignition coil. I've had a couple of coils fail and cough a similar death..
Man, if only this happened to you a week later.. Ill be up there next weekend..
jim_hoyland
Nov 26 2017, 08:16 AM
Oh My ! Been on Santa Rosa Creek Road many times, what a terrible place to break down. Been to Creekside inn too, that guy is great. There is a Napa just off Burton Road and IIRC they know a VW mechanic.
Good luck Dave
drifter914
Nov 26 2017, 09:51 AM
Also... check to see if coil is loose in bracket. If it rotates around, can sometimes ground itself on engine tin. Same result !
Hope it's something simple.
timothy_nd28
Nov 26 2017, 10:26 AM
Sounds like your air flow meter got blown during that back fire. This happened to me while on a road trip.
A very temporary fix would be removing the cover, and positioning the airflow meter flap in a neutral position. A neutral position is where the car runs like shit at idle and runs like shit at 50mph, nonetheless it's running. I drove my car 30 miles in this condition, enough to get me home.
This will only work if the AFM flap is sticking.
davesprinkle
Nov 26 2017, 10:34 AM
QUOTE('73-914kid @ Nov 26 2017, 06:06 AM)
Does the car sound the same as it usually does when it cranks? If you smacked/bent valves, you would hear one or more cylinders lacking compression when cranking, as the motor speeds up on the compression stroke of the bad cylinder.
The car definitely sounds different during cranking. Spins very fast. I'm thinking I tapped valves in all four.
RickS
Nov 26 2017, 10:38 AM
Breaking down is never easy no matter how beautiful the countryside. At least you could drown your sorrows with a good cab after getting your exercise in. Not many would have such a good attitude (relatively speaking) about such an event.
Wish I could give you an easy solution but what you described sounded expensive as missed shifts usually are. Hope you can get that gorgeous car back on the backroads soon.
Great writing style btw.
davesprinkle
Nov 26 2017, 10:38 AM
QUOTE(timothy_nd28 @ Nov 26 2017, 08:26 AM)
Sounds like your air flow meter got blown during that back fire. This happened to me while on a road trip.
A very temporary fix would be removing the cover, and positioning the airflow meter flap in a neutral position. A neutral position is where the car runs like shit at idle and runs like shit at 50mph, nonetheless it's running. I drove my car 30 miles in this condition, enough to get me home.
This will only work if the AFM flap is sticking.
Yeah. I did check for AFM movement when I was running the fuel pump. Moves freely.
Larmo63
Nov 26 2017, 10:40 AM
Sorry about your predicament. Your car LOOKS great, even in a tenuous situation.
GregAmy
Nov 26 2017, 10:58 AM
QUOTE(davesprinkle @ Nov 26 2017, 11:34 AM)
QUOTE('73-914kid @ Nov 26 2017, 06:06 AM)
Does the car sound the same as it usually does when it cranks? If you smacked/bent valves, you would hear one or more cylinders lacking compression when cranking, as the motor speeds up on the compression stroke of the bad cylinder.
The car definitely sounds different during cranking. Spins very fast. I'm thinking I tapped valves in all four.
That's the same symptom when I grabbed 3rd instead of 5th on the front straight at the LRP Historics. Spins fast, no compression. All four exhaust valves bent.
Click to view attachment
914-300Hemi
Nov 26 2017, 11:26 AM
It is never fun to break down while taking a fun drive. Good luck and hope it is an easy fix like the coil.
Keep us posted.
Elliot Cannon
Nov 26 2017, 12:08 PM
I'm about 45 miles away in Paso Robles. I have a tow bar and hitch that I can unbolt from my car and bolt on to your suspension (if you don't have the same tow bar connection on yours) and I can tow you to a good Porsche shop that has done work for me in the past in San Luis Obispo. Here's the address if you want to use AAA or some other towing service. You can call me at 805 975 6616
Guys Porsche
1144 Higera st
San Luis Obispo 805 545 9323
ValcoOscar
Nov 26 2017, 12:25 PM
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Nov 26 2017, 10:08 AM)
I'm about 45 miles away in Paso Robles. I have a tow bar and hitch that I can unbolt from my car and bolt on to your suspension (if you don't have the same tow bar connection on yours) and I can tow you to a good Porsche shop that has done work for me in the past in San Luis Obispo. Here's the address if you want to use AAA or some other towing service. You can call me at 805 975 6616
Guys Porsche
1144 Higera st
San Luis Obispo 805 545 9323
Elliot to the rescue....D'man of the day
Oscar
davesprinkle
Nov 26 2017, 01:51 PM
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Nov 26 2017, 08:40 AM)
Sorry about your predicament. Your car LOOKS great, even in a tenuous situation.
Thanks for the kind words. The car was running well, at least until the driver ruined it all. That road suits a 100hp car. It was fun.
davesprinkle
Nov 26 2017, 01:54 PM
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Nov 26 2017, 10:08 AM)
I'm about 45 miles away in Paso Robles. I have a tow bar and hitch that I can unbolt from my car and bolt on to your suspension (if you don't have the same tow bar connection on yours) and I can tow you to a good Porsche shop that has done work for me in the past in San Luis Obispo. Here's the address if you want to use AAA or some other towing service. You can call me at 805 975 6616
Guys Porsche
1144 Higera st
San Luis Obispo 805 545 9323
Elliott, thanks! What a generous offer. Funny you mention Guys Porsche. I just dropped the car there and spoke with Guy himself. He was in the shop working the weekend. They'll do a compression check and diagnosis tomorrow. Meanwhile, I've got a rental Veloster, the ugliest car on the planet.
davesprinkle
Nov 26 2017, 01:56 PM
Taking the ride of shame. First time in 21 years.
davesprinkle
Nov 26 2017, 01:57 PM
Now at Guys. Should know the diagnosis this week.
Elliot Cannon
Nov 26 2017, 06:44 PM
Tell him I recommended his shop. (That may or may not help)
He has worked on both my cars. He knows his way around the 914 and does good work.
Maltese Falcon
Nov 26 2017, 06:53 PM
Dave...too bad about that owl, BUT at least it didn't create a scene ( outside the hotel) for you like in "My cousin Vinny "
Safe travels !
Coondog
Nov 26 2017, 07:14 PM
Glad everything worked out. Now let’s hope for a easy fix.
Elliot Cannon
Nov 26 2017, 07:43 PM
J. Lohr was a good choice.
davesprinkle
Nov 26 2017, 08:49 PM
QUOTE(Elliot Cannon @ Nov 26 2017, 05:43 PM)
J. Lohr was a good choice.
The wine, like the hotel, and the towing service, and the shop, wasn't really a choice.
Watcha got? OK, I'll take it.
Yeah, Guy seemed like good peeps. He was working on a yellow, flared, raced-out 914-6. I'm super lucky he was there on a Sunday.
pete000
Nov 26 2017, 08:52 PM
Sounds like a good time to go to a bit more displacement !
davesprinkle
Nov 26 2017, 08:57 PM
QUOTE(pete000 @ Nov 26 2017, 06:52 PM)
Sounds like a good time to go to a bit more displacement !
Yes indeed! You got a stroker crank laying around?
whitetwinturbo
Nov 26 2017, 09:02 PM
Elliot the HERO....................now where's your RED cup? BURP
.......and NICE car
EdwardBlume
Nov 26 2017, 09:43 PM
Nice to see the flatbed holding it down by the tires. Good luck with the motor. SLOs a nice town to be stranded in.
McMark
Nov 27 2017, 09:39 AM
QUOTE(davesprinkle @ Nov 26 2017, 09:57 PM)
QUOTE(pete000 @ Nov 26 2017, 06:52 PM)
Sounds like a good time to go to a bit more displacement !
Yes indeed! You got a stroker crank laying around?
I do.
jim_hoyland
Nov 27 2017, 11:27 AM
QUOTE(Edward Blume @ Nov 26 2017, 07:43 PM)
Nice to see the flatbed holding it down by the tires. Good luck with the motor. SLOs a nice town to be stranded in.
Rebel Racing is in SLO too.....
914_teener
Nov 27 2017, 08:29 PM
Stroke it.
davesprinkle
Nov 29 2017, 07:25 PM
Monday afternoon, Guy at SGS called me and said the car was running. No valvetrain damage.
I picked it up yesterday. Guy shows me a fracture in the phenolic rubbing-block on the points. During the over-rev, the block cracked, we lost the gap in the points, and then no more spark.
Guy asks, "You ever consider running Pertronix?" I say, "No way, man, those are unreliable."
Coondog
Nov 29 2017, 07:28 PM
Glad it all worked out, even better a honest repair shop. I will be in SLO in a couple weeks, I will make it a point to stop by and let him know that all us 914 World members appreciate what he did for you.
Olympic 914
Nov 29 2017, 07:29 PM
Glad to hear it was nothing serious.
you see that thread on the 123 dizzy??? jus sayin.
davesprinkle
Nov 29 2017, 07:30 PM
QUOTE(Coondog @ Nov 29 2017, 05:28 PM)
Glad it all worked out, even better a honest repair shop. I will be in SLO in a couple weeks, I will make it a point to stop by.
Yeah. Guy is a long-time old-school Porsche mechanic, with direct experience with this car. Nice guy, and competent. And he charged me far less than the time he actually put into the diagnosis.
davesprinkle
Nov 29 2017, 07:31 PM
QUOTE(Olympic 914 @ Nov 29 2017, 05:29 PM)
Glad to hear it was nothing serious.
you see that thread on the 123 dizzy??? jus sayin.
Yeah...
NOW I see it...
stevend914
Nov 29 2017, 07:39 PM
QUOTE(davesprinkle @ Nov 29 2017, 07:25 PM)
Monday afternoon, Guy at SGS called me and said the car was running. No valvetrain damage.
I picked it up yesterday. Guy shows me a fracture in the phenolic rubbing-block on the points. During the over-rev, the block cracked, we lost the gap in the points, and then no more spark.
Guy asks, "You ever consider running Pertronix?" I say, "No way, man, those are unreliable."
This is exactly what happened to me after WCR travelling through Moab, Utah
ConeDodger
Nov 29 2017, 07:44 PM
QUOTE(davesprinkle @ Nov 29 2017, 10:25 PM)
Monday afternoon, Guy at SGS called me and said the car was running. No valvetrain damage.
I picked it up yesterday. Guy shows me a fracture in the phenolic rubbing-block on the points. During the over-rev, the block cracked, we lost the gap in the points, and then no more spark.
Guy asks, "You ever consider running Pertronix?" I say, "No way, man, those are unreliable."
Good save. Pretty sure everyone in Cambria knows our late Cap’n Crusty. John would throttle you from the grave!
RIP Cap’n!
Krieger
Nov 29 2017, 09:17 PM
Awesome! So your still doing the stroker motor right?
davesprinkle
Nov 29 2017, 09:36 PM
QUOTE(ConeDodger @ Nov 29 2017, 05:44 PM)
RIP Cap’n!
Indeed. Back in 2010 (?), the Cap'n did a quick timing adjustment on this same car. I was on a roadtrip from Portland to SoCal. What a great guy.
RickS
Nov 29 2017, 09:37 PM
Pertronix unreliable? That an old wives tale.
I have been running Pertronix in 3 early cars for a total 35 years with zero reliability problems. Every early 911 owner I know, about 50, run Pertronix and never heard an issue. Both Porsche shop owners I have known for 30 years combined recommend Pertronix over condencer and points.
Don’t know where you are getting your info but 1 unit going bad is not representative of the majority.
davesprinkle
Nov 29 2017, 09:41 PM
QUOTE(RickS @ Nov 29 2017, 07:37 PM)
Pertronix unreliable? That an old wives tale.
I have been running Pertronix in 3 early cars for a total 35 years with zero reliability problems. Every early 911 owner I know, about 50, run Pertronix and never heard an issue. Both Porsche shop owners I have known for 30 years combined recommend Pertronix over condencer and points.
Don’t know where you are getting your info but 1 unit going bad is not representative of the majority.
Rick, that was irony. Just trying to be funny.
76-914
Nov 30 2017, 09:11 AM
Than goodness.
with the comment on Petronix reliability. I carry a back up set in the glovebox of the 76 as insurance. Why anyone would recommend carrying a set of points as insurance is beyond me.
McMark
Nov 30 2017, 10:43 AM
QUOTE(davesprinkle @ Nov 29 2017, 10:41 PM)
Rick, that was irony. Just trying to be funny.
Worked on me. I chuckled.
jim_hoyland
Nov 30 2017, 11:48 AM
Good to hear the problem was relatively minor, despite some inconvenience.
Got a question: What roadside test could be done to pinpoint the problem you had ?
davesprinkle
Nov 30 2017, 01:20 PM
QUOTE(jim_hoyland @ Nov 30 2017, 09:48 AM)
Good to hear the problem was relatively minor, despite some inconvenience.
Got a question: What roadside test could be done to pinpoint the problem you had ?
Jim, a test for spark is pretty straightforward -- pull a plug, put it on the case, crank the engine, and look for a spark. But. This requires either a 2nd person to turn the key, or a jumper lead to trigger the starter motor in the engine bay. I didn't have either.
I did pull the cap and look at the points, but didn't notice the fractured rubbing-block. Next time I go on a road-trip, I'll have a starter jumper lead in my toolbag to help diagnose a failed ignition system.
Or better yet, I'll just get a 123 Ignition. (Or perchance a Pertronix?)
porschetub
Nov 30 2017, 04:30 PM
QUOTE(RickS @ Nov 30 2017, 04:37 PM)
Pertronix unreliable? That an old wives tale.
I have been running Pertronix in 3 early cars for a total 35 years with zero reliability problems. Every early 911 owner I know, about 50, run Pertronix and never heard an issue. Both Porsche shop owners I have known for 30 years combined recommend Pertronix over condencer and points.
Don’t know where you are getting your info but 1 unit going bad is not representative of the majority.
100% ,run enough of them to know,fitted my first to my bus camper....so long ago,used to leave the key on and never had a fail and it was an early unit (#1).
So many units made I think the failure rate is very low compared to what has been sold,my issues have been fitment,the magnetic pick up can be very tight on the top shaft,also found holes that don't line up 100% on the base plate,this is on my current Bosch dizzy I'am converting to fit my motor.
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