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McMark
Well, I started on this path a long time ago. Back in 2011, I pick up a Celette bench on Craigslist. I rented fixtures a few times, but along the way Celette moved everything to a newer setup/system and trashed the old fixtures.

Last year I was able to get the new style adapters but would still need to rent fixtures. So it was nice to have the capability, but rental fees meant that expediency was critical. For a project like SirAndy's 914-6 there will be a lot of measuring, checking, cutting, welding, etc. That translates to a lot of time on the bench, and the less I feel the need to rush, the better. When straightening a chassis, it's critical that you have a plan and make pulls and adjustments in the correct order.

Restoration Design just started carrying their own set of fixtures that are compatible with what I have now. They had the early 911 fixtures, but thankfully they jumped on the 914 next. So I just placed my order for these. Now I'll have everything in house to put cars up on fixtures for straightening, major rust repair, and/or cage work. This is a huge development for Original Customs.

I've always done rust repair, but this is the first time that I'll start offering a 'chassis restoration service' for both individuals and other shops. So anyone, anywhere can ship their chassis here and get back a solid and straight body, ready to build on. I'll also be on the lookout for suitable cars to straighten/repair and sell ready to run, 'off the shelf'.

boldblue.gif I can't wait to get started, then add early 911 and 356 fixtures...

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914forme
Nice Mark, our community has needed this service for a long time.
BeatNavy
Excellent, I may be in need before TOO long... shades.gif
ValcoOscar
Mark-

Congrats..
I hope you have a large shop. I see lots of opportunities coming your way.

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Oscar
SirAndy
QUOTE(McMark @ Jul 30 2018, 10:39 AM) *
For a project like SirAndy's 914-6 there will be a lot of measuring, checking, cutting, welding, etc.

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Andyrew
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 30 2018, 10:55 AM) *

QUOTE(McMark @ Jul 30 2018, 10:39 AM) *
For a project like SirAndy's 914-6 there will be a lot of measuring, checking, cutting, welding, etc.

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BTW Mark, Thats awesome!
mepstein
I think the 914 community might underestimate the cost of "chassis restoration". Like getting a car painted, it's easier to justify the cost on a $100-250K car but it's a much larger percentage of a 914.

But I think the service is needed as less and less shops do this kind of work.
Cairo94507
I almost wet myself with Andy's reply. I can totally relate. beerchug.gif
ConeDodger
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 30 2018, 02:55 PM) *

QUOTE(McMark @ Jul 30 2018, 10:39 AM) *
For a project like SirAndy's 914-6 there will be a lot of measuring, checking, cutting, welding, etc.

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And then there’s the check writing! blink.gif
McMark
QUOTE(mepstein @ Jul 30 2018, 02:11 PM) *

I think the 914 community might underestimate the cost of "chassis restoration". Like getting a car painted, it's easier to justify the cost on a $100-250K car but it's a much larger percentage of a 914.

But I think the service is needed as less and less shops do this kind of work.

Absolutely. It won't be cheap, but if you're embarking on a full restoration (or hiring out a full restoration) this is a significant opportunity. EVERYTHING else on the project can be swapped out as needed (engine, transmission, suspension, etc) -- but if you have a crooked chassis you're piling good parts onto a bad skeleton. Once you get a chassis painted, the opportunity to fix the body is gone....
Dave_Darling
Awesome, Mark!

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horizontally-opposed
QUOTE(McMark @ Jul 30 2018, 12:03 PM) *

...if you're embarking on a full restoration (or hiring out a full restoration) this is a significant opportunity. EVERYTHING else on the project can be swapped out as needed (engine, transmission, suspension, etc) -- but if you have a crooked chassis you're piling good parts onto a bad skeleton. Once you get a chassis painted, the opportunity to fix the body is gone....


Genau. Precisely.
worn
QUOTE(SirAndy @ Jul 30 2018, 09:55 AM) *

QUOTE(McMark @ Jul 30 2018, 10:39 AM) *
For a project like SirAndy's 914-6 there will be a lot of measuring, checking, cutting, welding, etc.

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Yes. I am sure that with such an important job, the hours would simply stack up. But, for that quality of customer, you can’t push the limits too far. Unless this should somehow come back around to bite me somehow...

Also, good for everyone that you have them.
Unobtanium-inc
QUOTE(mepstein @ Jul 30 2018, 10:11 AM) *

I think the 914 community might underestimate the cost of "chassis restoration". Like getting a car painted, it's easier to justify the cost on a $100-250K car but it's a much larger percentage of a 914.

But I think the service is needed as less and less shops do this kind of work.

I agree, many restoration customers have no clue what it takes to bring a decades old car back to square one, not even getting into paint or mechanical. I know guys who can't understand why it took $30,000 to put floors in their car, except the restorer explains that his only other option was to weld the floors to the dash, because that was the first piece of solid metal he found.
GaroldShaffer
smilie_pokal.gif I think I may know a guy or two that can help you find some cars to fix and sell. idea.gif shades.gif bye1.gif
McMark
QUOTE(Garold Shaffer @ Jul 30 2018, 11:03 PM) *

smilie_pokal.gif I think I may know a guy or two that can help you find some cars to fix and sell. idea.gif shades.gif bye1.gif

I was thinking the same thing. wink.gif
Chris H.
Very exciting development Mark. To be able to start with a tub that is definitely straight would be a huge advantage. Plus if the owner can show documentation that a chassis has been checked on a Celette bench it should be worth more $ like a 996 with the IMS bearing fix done. No brainer for anyone who is about to drop serious $$$$$ on paint and body work.
IronHillRestorations
My solution is much more crude.

I found an old Blackhawk bench, which has the same 100 mm bolt spacing and was supposed to be compatible with the older (now NLA) Celette fixtures. Then I found out they got trashed.

Highly likely my set up will be for sale very soon. We’re going to downsize and I want to get away from projects that need a frame bench. I’ll just send them to OC!
IronHillRestorations
I’d be very curious to know if the adapters and new fixtures would line up on a Blackhawk.

Another pic of my crude ity
EdwardBlume
Congratulations! McMark is the right guy now with the right equipment! Makes me wish I lived in Michigan....
sixnotfour
there is a source for the blackhawk 911 fixtures, he lists them on ebay every so often..
mbseto
So the services you are talking about, would one of them be checking/verifying a chassis after the longs had been repaired and the paint stripped? Or is this only for post-accident straightening?
r_towle
Tempted to strip my tub and send it for repairs.
Cairo94507
What a terrific service to have available from a well-respected and knowledgable 914 technician. Kudos to McMark for acquiring that equipment. beerchug.gif
McMark
QUOTE(mbseto @ Jul 31 2018, 05:15 PM) *

So the services you are talking about, would one of them be checking/verifying a chassis after the longs had been repaired and the paint stripped? Or is this only for post-accident straightening?

This setup allows any chassis in any condition or state of repair to be evaluated, as well as repaired. Even a fully painted chassis could be checked to confirm how straight it is.

I already built door jigs.
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And I'll need to build a windshield jig.
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Between the Celette, those jigs, and the factory chassis measurements I'll be able to confidently evaluate the TRUE condition of any and all 914 bodies.

Then I start moving towards early 911 and 356 bodies.
McMark
QUOTE(Edward Blume @ Jul 31 2018, 04:20 PM) *

Congratulations! McMark is the right guy now with the right equipment! Makes me wish I lived in Michigan....

I can handle transport of any chassis that rolls. And I offer a shipping reimbursement program.

Or just move to Michigan. It's fantastic here... shades.gif
Luke M
QUOTE(McMark @ Aug 1 2018, 09:08 AM) *

QUOTE(mbseto @ Jul 31 2018, 05:15 PM) *

So the services you are talking about, would one of them be checking/verifying a chassis after the longs had been repaired and the paint stripped? Or is this only for post-accident straightening?

This setup allows any chassis in any condition or state of repair to be evaluated, as well as repaired. Even a fully painted chassis could be checked to confirm how straight it is.

I already built door jigs.
Click to view attachment

And I'll need to build a windshield jig.
Click to view attachment

Between the Celette, those jigs, and the factory chassis measurements I'll be able to confidently evaluate the TRUE condition of any and all 914 bodies.

Then I start moving towards early 911 and 356 bodies.




Hi Mark,


Do you have any plans on renting out the front window and door jigs?
McMark
Yeah, that's certainly a possibility. idea.gif
bbrock
How stripped does a chassis need to be for a basic check? Would it be feasible to drive a car in and get a check? I could see Michigan becoming a road trip destination or stop over.
mepstein
You need to remove suspension. That’s what most of the measurements are based on. Usually the engine comes out.
76-914
QUOTE(bbrock @ Aug 2 2018, 07:10 AM) *

How stripped does a chassis need to be for a basic check? Would it be feasible to drive a car in and get a check? I could see Michigan becoming a road trip destination or stop over.

Brent, yours probably won't fit the bench! As much welding as you've done on that car it has probably shrunk to a 3/4 scale 914 now. happy11.gif
KELTY360
QUOTE(76-914 @ Aug 2 2018, 08:13 AM) *

QUOTE(bbrock @ Aug 2 2018, 07:10 AM) *

How stripped does a chassis need to be for a basic check? Would it be feasible to drive a car in and get a check? I could see Michigan becoming a road trip destination or stop over.

Brent, yours probably won't fit the bench! As much welding as you've done on that car it has probably shrunk to a 3/4 scale 914 now. happy11.gif


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Yeah, instead of a 914 it's a 685.5 poke.gif
bbrock
QUOTE(KELTY360 @ Aug 2 2018, 10:23 AM) *

QUOTE(76-914 @ Aug 2 2018, 08:13 AM) *

QUOTE(bbrock @ Aug 2 2018, 07:10 AM) *

How stripped does a chassis need to be for a basic check? Would it be feasible to drive a car in and get a check? I could see Michigan becoming a road trip destination or stop over.

Brent, yours probably won't fit the bench! As much welding as you've done on that car it has probably shrunk to a 3/4 scale 914 now. happy11.gif


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Yeah, instead of a 914 it's a 685.5 poke.gif

av-943.gif But that's all by design. I want to be able to use those "compact car only" spaces when I'm done. lol-2.gif
bbrock
QUOTE(mepstein @ Aug 2 2018, 08:14 AM) *

You need to remove suspension. That’s what most of the measurements are based on. Usually the engine comes out.


It's that last part I was wondering about. Pulling the suspension isn't the worst job but if the engine and tranny have to be dropped as well, it starts to become a real job.
sixnotfour
remember this guy ?? I think he sold it all to a 914 specialist in germany.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=1393641
mb911
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Aug 2 2018, 02:37 PM) *

remember this guy ?? I think he sold it all to a 914 specialist in germany.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=1393641



That was awesome for sure. Soooooo much time to build something like that..

Mark I applaud you for doing this.. Its allot of work and hope it pays off for you.
JeffBowlsby
I think your new problem will be finding the time to do all these BIW commissions. You will need to give up the oil change and valve adjustment work!

To a customer a 'new' straight tub roller in primer will have a fixed value, regardless of the amount of time/materials it takes to get to that point. Unless they bring you their tub with sentimental value and an open check book to do whatever it takes. Look at the huge time/cost Michaels' /6 has required. Are you planning to do full metal prep before paint?
peteyd
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Aug 2 2018, 02:37 PM) *

remember this guy ?? I think he sold it all to a 914 specialist in germany.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=1393641


This frame fixture ended up in Holland. I think it’s in Arnos hands. I believe he’s willing to sell it as well.

Pete
Andyrew
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Aug 2 2018, 03:37 PM) *

remember this guy ?? I think he sold it all to a 914 specialist in germany.
http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.php?s=&...t&p=1393641

He said he cut it all up... sad.gif
peteyd
its on his homepage

www.914parts.eu
Andyrew
Must had been another guy that I remember.
McMark
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They're HERE!!!

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I have to finish up a 2.3 engine I'm building next week, but you can be sure I'll be playing with these after hours. Already have my Aubergine car up on the bench, so I'm gonna check that first. cheer.gif
SirAndy
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IronHillRestorations
Beeyooteeful!
peteyd
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rick 918-S
Nice going Mark and Andy! Thanks for getting the hard work getting these to the market Peter! beerchug.gif icon_bump.gif
seanery
pretty bad ass Mark!
ConeDodger
QUOTE(seanery @ Aug 15 2018, 03:53 AM) *

pretty bad ass Mark!


Say... didn’t you run off and join the circus? lol-2.gif
SirAndy
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seanery
Man, that sure was a long time ago!!

12 years later, I've been missing my 914 fix. I've been touring with concerts and other shows pretty much constantly since then. I need to plan for the future. Getting Eric to build me a car is part of that plan! =)


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QUOTE(seanery @ Aug 15 2018, 03:53 AM) *

pretty bad ass Mark!


Say... didn’t you run off and join the circus? lol-2.gif

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