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QUOTE(914_teener @ Jul 23 2019, 09:20 AM) *

QUOTE(76-914 @ Jul 23 2019, 08:32 AM) *


THAT is a copy.


This is a Porsche flat six - 320 HP and 295 ft lbs of torque. 3.4 liters of pure fun.

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Typical World thread....off the rails.

Sure does look like a copy. Until you compare costs. shades.gif
914_teener
QUOTE(76-914 @ Jul 23 2019, 04:20 PM) *

QUOTE(914_teener @ Jul 23 2019, 09:20 AM) *

QUOTE(76-914 @ Jul 23 2019, 08:32 AM) *


THAT is a copy.


This is a Porsche flat six - 320 HP and 295 ft lbs of torque. 3.4 liters of pure fun.

Click to view attachment



Typical World thread....off the rails.

Sure does look like a copy. Until you compare costs. shades.gif



Errrr......
Yes this is true. The dreaded six letter tax. Used one.s 6-7 k.. Rebuilt 20k. On topic though......air cooled 2056 15jk.
Larmo63
"Errrr......
Yes this is true. The dreaded six letter tax."


P - O - R - S - C - H - E has seven letters.
campbellcj
QUOTE(ValcoOscar @ Jul 23 2019, 09:03 AM) *

Okay guys....

Who has access to a Dyno here in SoCal?
Let's see some actual (rear wheel) figures.
I'm curious about my cars.

HP is great however I measure my 914 driving experience in smile.gif biggrin.gif smile.gif biggrin.gif

Oscar



@Oscar - I am aware of two 'porsche friendly' dynos around LA -- Ed Pink has one in the SF Valley (2WD) and World Motorsports in Torrance has an incredible fully-enclosed AWD dyno with forced-air cooling... Also POC has a mobile dyno (2WD) at many events ie Willow Springs for classification purposes; usually $60 for 3 pulls.

I was really pleased that my current 2.7 dynoed almost identically in 2014 and 2017, and still seems equally strong now... My prior build only survived about 1.5 yrs of track abuse.
914_teener
QUOTE(Larmo63 @ Jul 23 2019, 09:31 PM) *

"Errrr......
Yes this is true. The dreaded six letter tax."


P - O - R - S - C - H - E has seven letters.



Long day yesterday....yep. Wrong tax.

Thank you sir!
horizontally-opposed
QUOTE(Tdskip @ Jul 21 2019, 06:24 AM) *

Seems like a useful thing to have summarized somewhere. While you can build just about auybof these to be a monster compared to stock, how about if we list stock values for now as one reference point?

1.7 flat 4 - 79
1.8 flat 4 - 84
2.0 flat 4 - 99
2.0 flat 6 - 110-170 (~210 race)
2.2 flat 6 -125-180 (~230 race)
2.4 flat 6 - 130-190 (~250-270 race)
2.7 flat 6 - 150-210
3.0 flat 6 - 180-204 (~310-330 race)
3.2 flat 6 - 207-231
3.6 flat 6 - 250-285 (300 with rare Powerkit)
3.8 flat 6 - 300 (310+ race)

Look like the right list?


^ Quick stab working with some factory numbers from reference materials here. These reflect the lowest lows (typically but not always U.S.-spec), and the highest highs (typically RoW). Tried to add some numbers for same-displacement race engines from the factory in period, but not all of them (2.2, SC/RS, etc) are accounted for.

As you note, these can be built into just about anything, and engine builders and hot-rodders have learned a lot since these engines were new—the youngest among them is now 21 years old while the oldest is 50+.

I would have been happy with the stock 160 hp from a 2.2E with my budget build, but it made 169.9 hp at the wheels when we dialed the carbs in. Mods were Solex cams, headers, a little compression, "a little head work" (I am still suspicious), and crank-fire ignition. Stock Mahle 2.2E pistons, mag case, and Weber 40s...nothing special...but I suspect tricks gained over time allowed John Holleran to build a 2.2 "E" that makes more power than a stock 2.2 S did. And it's more tractable too, feeling like a 3.0 down low with the only downside being it doesn't love going past 6000-6500 rpm. It'll do it, but it doesn't race to redline up top. Offset is very usable power.
get off my lawn
you can't turbo a 914
76-914
Portable? $60 for 3 pulls? I wonder if he'd be willing to measure a group of 914's. Pretty sure there would be at least 15 people here willing to meet and have this done. @ValcoOscar @Larmo63
campbellcj
QUOTE(76-914 @ Jul 24 2019, 04:47 PM) *

Portable? $60 for 3 pulls? I wonder if he'd be willing to measure a group of 914's. Pretty sure there would be at least 15 people here willing to meet and have this done. @ValcoOscar @Larmo63



The past two summers, Craig at World Motorsports organized weekend Porsche dyno days via Rennlist which seemed to work out great - at least for me as I got there early (this was re. my 911). Their facility is amazing and is available just about anytime M-F. A group of us could try organizing a similar weekend thing.
cali914
If you have 15k to 20k laying around for an engine swap then 3.4 to 3.6 is the only way to go. If you are looking for best bang for your buck JDM all the way. I have had 350 to 427 small block Chevys in my 914. 5 to 10 grand minimum each engine. Then I went to a 3.5 liter Honda Oddyssey engine for 500 bucks 240hp 240 torque. Andrew damaged the engine smacking the redline at the POC, and it still drove home in limp mode. Instead of me pulling engine apart I bought another one for 300 bucks and in one day was back on the road again. Oh I forgot to mention fuel injection and V-tech hahahahahah lol-2.gif
cali914
QUOTE(get off my lawn @ Jul 24 2019, 03:44 PM) *

you can't turbo a 914


yes you can. The question is longevity of the engine.
Coondog
3.2 with all the usual stuff...........212 RWHP

I know the old rule for V8 motor RWHP was 15% less then total engine HP. Don’t know if this equates to Porsche motors.
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type2man
Ive got a 2.0 914. The previous owner put a cam, a type1 oil pump. and 40 webers. Since I got it, I added a CB performance distirbutor, 45 dells, and a bursch exhaust.


It moves just fine, maybe 100 hp. It doesn't disappoint. Next step might be to transplant my 2733 FAT performance engine into it.
914werke
QUOTE(thelogo @ Jul 23 2019, 10:16 AM) *
Lets call 120 ( big /4)

That is tuned 2056 territory dry.gif
Id call 2.4L a Big /4 that is more in the order of 160-180
ValcoOscar
QUOTE(76-914 @ Jul 24 2019, 04:47 PM) *

Portable? $60 for 3 pulls? I wonder if he'd be willing to measure a group of 914's. Pretty sure there would be at least 15 people here willing to meet and have this done. @ValcoOscar @Larmo63


piratenanner.gif Sure Kent!

I'd be in on this for a few of my cars.

Oscar
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