true. I'm not arguing that if someone steps foot on your property to shoot first ask questions later... but I'm saying that here, if someone breaks into your property, you can defend property here... even if someone is breaking into your car, outside, you have the right to defend that property... should you? that's up to the individual... but there would be no *criminal* act if you DID beat them with a baseball bat... would I? I chased someone off who tried to break into my car a few years ago, and was dumb for doing it... I had a gun, but could have been capped before even seeing them... I wouldn't do it again unless my life or my wife's was threatened... I was young, dumb and full of... whatever...

now, coming into the house is a different game, someone steps foot in, I will not let them get far enough to determine their intentions...

in other states, I know you do not have that same right... a car is not seen as the same as your house and thus not 'protectable' under law.

suing is a different story... if someone wanted to they could sue me at anytime, for almost any reason. and you are right, the fees to get it dismissed would cost me as much as paying him off...

Sleep with one eye open!

Now that's what I'm talking about.

Just test fired the potatoe cannon.... still works. =-)

QUOTE (ClayPerrine @ Jul 1 2005, 04:49 AM)

QUOTE (bd1308 @ Jul 1 2005, 06:21 AM) yeah and i'm sure somebody could make a gun holster for you. Get a "sleeper" dog....a small dog that when commanded to, will bute and chew the shit out of whatever is bugging you. Then after he eats the bad guy, you pick him up, pet him on the head, and put him in his holder on your waste. I worked at an auto shop in a somewhat bad part of town years ago. The owner hired a company that hired out dogs for protection of lots. He was really suprised when the guy showed up with 35 chicuhuahuas! The guy said that he used to use rottweilers and dobermans, but he found that the bad guys would cap the dog, and then go about their business. Kinda hard to shoot 35 little dogs with a 6 shot revolver. He said the dogs were great. No one takes them seriously, and properly traineed, the little dogs are like a pack of piranahs. Stick one leg in, and it's chewed to the bone in seconds!!!

I only have 1 Chihuahua, and she can be vicious when provoked.

Ask the guy who honked at her at a red light to make her right on red quicker. She parked, got out, walked up to his car and proceeded to bitch him out for honking at her.

QUOTE (tat2dphreak @ Jul 1 2005, 11:35 AM)

yea, the whole concept of 'warning' shots is lost on me.. If I have to pull the gun out, I'm aiming to do damage, not just 'scare'... they break in, they are asking me to do my worst...

Don't aim for the chest -- aim for the crotch. Who would think to wear a kevlar vest around their waist?

Mike, I think you did the right thing.

Stupid crime is rampant. Personally, I think grass should be legal, but that's a whole different discussion.

Something happened to a "friend" in the last couple of months.

He had just purchased a 914 and was driving quite a distance alone at night. At a rest stop, someone tried to carjack him. My friend keeps a large cresent wrench behind the driver's seat... so, he got out of the car like the jerkoff told him, and came out swinging.

My "friend" had the decency to at least check to make sure the unconscious, bleeding jerkoff had a pulse before he drove off.

Oh, as I understand it, the crescent wrench stays in the trunk during drives down that particular piece of road. As I've been led to believe, it's replaced with a heavy breaker bar.

My friend was advised to keep his mouth shut when it happened, as what he did might have been construed as "excessive force". Strange... nothing on the news about a body at a rest stop, so the jerkoff probably lived.

-L

Mike,

That was a quite a heroic thing you did. Glad you are able to joke about it later.

When I was studying Admin of Justice/Police law in college, I worked as a "safety" officer on campus. Full uniform but NO gun. One night a fellow officer saw someone breaking into one of the buildings smashing a window and gave chase. He COULD have caught him but we accepted the fact the burglar could have been armed and we are not.

Don't blame the officers, their LIFE is about confronting criminals. They are not popular in the general public, not supported by their departments in certain cases, many leave this profession, and relationships are strained at best. Like lawyers, you dispise them until they come through for you...

QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Jul 1 2005, 10:27 AM)

QUOTE (anthony @ Jul 1 2005, 10:05 AM) QUOTE (Dr Evil @ Jul 1 2005, 12:52 AM) Oh ya, after all was said and done the first deputy comes up to me to thank me and says, "ya, I was worried that he was going for a knife or a gun when you yanked him off of the fence." Brilliant! Remind me then why you requested that I stop him? In hind sight, I think that I woudl have let him go. It wasn't worth the risk. I'm glad the perp didn't fall off that fence and crack his head open. He'd be suing you tomorrow for damages. I was wondering about that. If I was ordered by the cop to stop the guy, and he was on my rented property, does that still make me liable? If so, I guess the next step would be to sue the cop for giving me unlawful orders. I hate litigious society

Hey Mike. Nice job. Don't let those cops influence how you feel about cops in general. They deal with the scum of the earth every day. They are beeten up, spit on, shot at and sometimes killed. They just buried a sheriff here in LA. Young guy, married just 3 weeks. By the way. If you hate litigious people now, wait till you become an MD!!!
Cheers, Elliot

Hey Elliot, I know.

I do not hate someone for their particular job. I have known cops that were real stand up guys. The head cop was a dick, the female cop questioned me like I was white trash, but the guy who was chasing the perp was nice. As far as I am concerned, Lemon Grove (where this all went down) is a shit hole full of shitty people on both sides. I was in a race to get my car out of there tonight as I am so dang sick of it. I was successful

I used to be in maritime law enforcement in the Guard, so I have a bond to the good cops.

Anthony, I was wondering about that. Thanks for the clarity. I can see it now, thug sues me, I loose, I sue cop for ordering me to get involved (against my nature, but I would now be poor) and they settle out of court. Yay! we all suck then

I am hungry and thus cranky. Sorry if I seem grumpier than normal