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Cal
These photos were posted on instagram yesterday from Canepa’s shop. Is this the 916 Brutus that sold for $1M in Paris last winter?

mepstein
Looks like it. Room for endurance gas tank, etc.
sixnotfour
Well , Probably not up to new owner standard..
https://gramho.com/media/2178768345410884736
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the car was said to be in sorry shape. Rust and prior body repairs complicated the restoration process, as did the unique 2.9-liter racing-spec engine. For the latter, the rebuilding was entrusted to Porsche RSR specialist Drew Slaton, while engineer-turned-racer Jürgen Barth and 914 authority George Hussey contributed their expertise to the project as well.

budget is everything, it was bought to be sold..at auction
Cal
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 17 2019, 01:15 PM) *

Well , Probably not up to new owner standard..
https://gramho.com/media/2178768345410884736
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the car was said to be in sorry shape. Rust and prior body repairs complicated the restoration process, as did the unique 2.9-liter racing-spec engine. For the latter, the rebuilding was entrusted to Porsche RSR specialist Drew Slaton, while engineer-turned-racer Jürgen Barth and 914 authority George Hussey contributed their expertise to the project as well.

budget is everything, it was bought to be sold..at auction


Purchased for $1M and than restored....that’s a lot of coin invested. I’d be interested to hear George’s comments regarding this.
914Sixer
Finding this interesting since the 916's were built using white body 914-4 according to what I have read.
Sm914650
Yeah, thats it. Got to see her when they were finishing up during a tour through the Shop the week of Car Week.
Maltese Falcon
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 17 2019, 10:15 AM) *

Well , Probably not up to new owner standard..
https://gramho.com/media/2178768345410884736
and
the car was said to be in sorry shape. Rust and prior body repairs complicated the restoration process, as did the unique 2.9-liter racing-spec engine. For the latter, the rebuilding was entrusted to Porsche RSR specialist Drew Slaton, while engineer-turned-racer Jürgen Barth and 914 authority George Hussey contributed their expertise to the project as well.

budget is everything, it was bought to be sold..at auction


Gotta love those flippers...new hammer price no doubt to go beyond the stratosphere laugh.gif
mepstein
I’m confused. It was just restored, assembled and sold at auction. Is it getting redone?
sixnotfour
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Finding this interesting since the 916's were built using white body 914-4 according to what I have read.


prototype
horizontally-opposed
QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 17 2019, 11:13 AM) *

I’m confused. It was just restored, assembled and sold at auction. Is it getting redone?


Yep, Brutus is getting redone. Saw it two nights ago as photographed above. It's freshly stripped of all parts—not yet in new paint, as noted in the IG post.
sixnotfour
might need a bit more work....hand brake indentation ??
I Know the left rear got a big rebuild....
sawzall-smiley.gif welder.gif popcorn[1].gif not the first resto that need a redo, that auctioned for $$$ @914werke
mepstein
QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Nov 17 2019, 02:32 PM) *

QUOTE(mepstein @ Nov 17 2019, 11:13 AM) *

I’m confused. It was just restored, assembled and sold at auction. Is it getting redone?


Yep, Brutus is getting redone. Saw it two nights ago as photographed above. It's freshly stripped of all parts—not yet in new paint, as noted in the IG post.

Funny, if you read through George’s story of the last rebuild it talked about meticulous and perfect restoration, only the best, engine specialists, etc. confused24.gif
sixnotfour
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burton73
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Bob B
Steve
When it was at the shades event, there was a bunch of stuff wrong with it. Lots of poor fitting parts. i.e. bumpers, trim, seals, etc. Funny, but there were several people nit picking what was wrong with it. At the event they said they were going to take it apart and redo it.
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rhodyguy
What? wacko.gif unsure.gif
SirAndy
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gms
QUOTE(914Sixer @ Nov 17 2019, 12:56 PM) *

Finding this interesting since the 916's were built using white body 914-4 according to what I have read.

That is false, they have 1971 914/6 karmann body numbers
rhodyguy
Who bought it at auction? george was seller or sellers rep? $1M even to include buyer's premium? It will look nice roped off in a museum. Should put a see through floor under the display. kyle.gif kenny.gif help.gif blowup.gif
914Sixer
Bodies were in white (ivory). Please read. This is from the 50 Years Porsche 914 page 107. Explains how cars were to be painted.
rgalla9146
I don't understand the comparison photos of the handbrake recess.
what's the issue ?
The antenna hole is on the wrong fender.
Didn't 916 have the antenna in the windshield ?
Chi-town
It's been at Canepa since shortly after it was purchased. I spotted it in one of their IG stories a few months back.
mepstein
QUOTE(914Sixer @ Nov 17 2019, 08:38 PM) *

Bodies were in white (ivory). Please read. This is from the 50 Years Porsche 914 page 107. Explains how cars were to be painted.

I read they were all bodies in white but Brutus.
Brutus is indeed a prototype, as it started as a 914-6, had a 914-6 serial number, and was made into a 916 by the factory, and never sold new by Porsche"
gms
this memo makes it very clear which chassis the first five 916s used and they are 1971 914/6 production numbers

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gms
here is the page I was looking for:
The test requires 10 vehicles type 914/6
The bodies are to be delivered by Karmann in the following version
color light ivory
interior leatherskin black


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sixnotfour
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I don't understand the comparison photos of the handbrake recess.
what's the issue ?

its supposed be like the yellow impression...73 later had the bigger one
horizontally-opposed
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 17 2019, 08:29 PM) *

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I don't understand the comparison photos of the handbrake recess.
what's the issue ?

its supposed be like the yellow impression...73 later had the bigger one


So which one is this? Are there three, or is it the same as the yellow one?

sixnotfour
Red 914 pic. is 73 and later....the yellow pic is what Brutus should have..70-72,, although there could be a early 73 with the 70-72 indent..
RD sells this one , with early indentation;;;

gulf908
so why didn't Porsche buy it before it was restored the first time ?
you would have imagined a car of this significance should have come to their attention through the 914 grapevine
it would have been a nice addition to their 914 50th celebrations in June

cheers
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falcor75
QUOTE(gulf908 @ Nov 18 2019, 10:08 AM) *

so why didn't Porsche buy it before it was restored the first time ?
you would have imagined a car of this significance should have come to their attention through the 914 grapevine
it would have been a nice addition to their 914 50th celebrations in June

cheers
Dennis smile.gif


Buying back an old expensive 914 would only make sense if they intended to make further use of the 914 name which they apparently do not with the introduction of the 718.

rgalla9146
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 17 2019, 11:29 PM) *

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I don't understand the comparison photos of the handbrake recess.
what's the issue ?

its supposed be like the yellow impression...73 later had the bigger one


oooooh, excellent observation !
914Sixer
I stand corrected, thanks Glen.
sb914
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horizontally-opposed
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 17 2019, 10:23 PM) *

Red 914 pic. is 73 and later....the yellow pic is what Brutus should have..70-72,, although there could be a early 73 with the 70-72 indent..
RD sells this one , with early indentation;;;


Well, at least something besides the side-shift transmission on my '73 is '73—literally everything else I have come across is 1972...doors, windows, top, rain tray, headlight switch, and a bunch of other stuff is all 1972 gear. 4732900193

What I am not getting is it looks like there are three indentations? Mine, the yellow one, and the one in Brutus (which looks like the RD piece?).
sixnotfour
QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Nov 18 2019, 10:46 AM) *

QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 17 2019, 10:23 PM) *

Red 914 pic. is 73 and later....the yellow pic is what Brutus should have..70-72,, although there could be a early 73 with the 70-72 indent..
RD sells this one , with early indentation;;;


Well, at least something besides the side-shift transmission on my '73 is '73—literally everything else I have come across is 1972...doors, windows, top, rain tray, headlight switch, and a bunch of other stuff is all 1972 gear. 4732900193

What I am not getting is it looks like there are three indentations? Mine, the yellow one, and the one in Brutus (which looks like the RD piece?).


Looks Like it confused24.gif does look suspicious to me..
Jonathan Livesay
QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 18 2019, 10:28 AM) *

QUOTE(horizontally-opposed @ Nov 18 2019, 10:46 AM) *

QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 17 2019, 10:23 PM) *

Red 914 pic. is 73 and later....the yellow pic is what Brutus should have..70-72,, although there could be a early 73 with the 70-72 indent..
RD sells this one , with early indentation;;;


Well, at least something besides the side-shift transmission on my '73 is '73—literally everything else I have come across is 1972...doors, windows, top, rain tray, headlight switch, and a bunch of other stuff is all 1972 gear. 4732900193

What I am not getting is it looks like there are three indentations? Mine, the yellow one, and the one in Brutus (which looks like the RD piece?).


Looks Like it confused24.gif does look suspicious to me..

The Brutus indent doesn't look like either of the others to me. It's not as angular as the late one or as short as the early one.
horizontally-opposed
QUOTE(Jonathan Livesay @ Nov 18 2019, 11:04 AM) *

The Brutus indent doesn't look like either of the others to me. It's not as angular as the late one or as short as the early one.


^ That's what I meant. Black one seems to have similar shape to yellow but definitely dips a lot lower.

Didn't know there were two versions, let alone three. Not sure I care all that much, or would be bothered to change a longitudinal to address it (assuming nothing else wrong), but that's probably why I am not into concours. wink.gif

I do find it interesting, however. Wonder why the RD longs are shaped differently than either of the factory longs?
sixnotfour
For a 1 million dollar 914...Id be caring, since it got tore apart for like reasons..

its was no trailer queen..its been used and stuffed away...rescued and flipped..
mepstein
Who did the previous metalwork, bodywork and paint?
burton73
George, Hop on in and tell us what the story is please.

Bob B
rgalla9146
QUOTE(burton73 @ Nov 18 2019, 05:42 PM) *

George, Hop on in and tell us what the story is please.

Bob B


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pete000
Wasnt it restored at AA ?
Superhawk996
QUOTE(Cal @ Nov 17 2019, 01:45 PM) *


Purchased for $1M and than restored....that’s a lot of coin invested. I’d be interested to hear George’s comments regarding this.


I love that even a $1M car still has rust! Won't after it leave Canepa's.

I'm sort of torn on this. Too many cars are over restored IMHO. But rust never sleeps and it might be hard to sleep at night knowing the tin worms are eating your $1M toy.

Oh, the horror! av-943.gif

Canepa's is amazing and when it leaves it will be better than it was they day it came off the boat but it will still likely have some tin worm infestation even if only between the sheetmetal flanges where various panels come together for spot welding. I'd be curious to see what Canepa's does to address the hidden and/or inaccessible rust.
dr914@autoatlanta.com
Kirk at Automotivation did this car for the customer and we reassembled.

NOW the new customer who purchased it, wants it the original dark blue with the elephant hide interior and the original stripes, so has taken it completely apart to change it to this.

The problem is is that the car has been so many different things, that the only original state the car was in at any time was as a black 1971 stock 914-6.

When someone has all of the money in the world, what they want is what they want! Too bad, Kirk did a great job on a car that was absolutely through the mill with rust and wreck. Makes our silver car look like a virgin (which it is not because it was made at the Porsche racing shop!

(I hope that they get every screw in its proper place as Steve and William did!)
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sixnotfour
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that was absolutely through the mill with rust and wreck. Makes our silver car look like a virgin

Thanks for the perspective, and correctness..
I think it will be Cool going back to Blue/stripes beerchug.gif
are these pics correct ?
dr914@autoatlanta.com
correct for one period in its life. dark dark blue with those stripes

My question is "where are they going to get the elephant hide?"

QUOTE(sixnotfour @ Nov 19 2019, 03:08 PM) *

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that was absolutely through the mill with rust and wreck. Makes our silver car look like a virgin

Thanks for the perspective, and correctness..
I think it will be Cool going back to Blue/stripes beerchug.gif
are these pics correct ?

burton73

George- "My question is "where are they going to get the elephant hide?"



http://store.rojeleather.com/who-we-are/#

http://www.exotic-skin.com/species/elephant-leather/

It is not Ivory. Thanks for answering


Bob B
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