Yet another:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/224537514992?hash=...L0AAOSw5jZg82-r

I contacted Beverly Hills Car Club when it was first listed. The car code is L95K however the exterior respray is something other than Palma Green.

Another L95K was listed on ebay but more project than I want 1975 1.8 L95K The seller sent me many detailed pictures of the undercarriage, metal in trunks, along with a pict of the L95K code.

You are looking for a unicorn. An extremely rare color and you’ve been shown several options after a year of looking. Pick one, fix what does not meet your expectations and be content.

DP.

I always thought that was Zambezi green lol

The green example at BHCC is a sweet looking ride, other than the radio. Simple fix, I would jump for sure at this one, or at minimum dig into it for a really close look. Price seems fair.

I was the low bidder on this example:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144132837351?hash=...moAAOSwrANhBBIP

A local 914 enthusiast offered to inspect and drive the car and he gave it a thumbs up. Sure, the (original) paint is badly faded and needs some work, but I did not fork out $30 or 40k. It's on the way should be here Friday. Sure, it's almost 50 years old and needs a bit of work, but for me and many of us that is a big part of the adventure.

Has anyone heard from Rich D. at 914werke lately. I've been working on completing a deal over many months but late summer communications stopped. Left messages on his phone, sent emails, both directly and through 914werke contact form over the last several months but no response.

Please PM me if you have a way to get in contact with Rich or let him know I'd like to talk to him. Thanks

@914werke

Hey folks thanks for ping.
Be assured Ill reach out asap.

Still interested in hearing from someone willing to complete a sale.

There is '75 1.8L in Zambezi on BaT right now, I know it's not Palma, but...

Thanks but it is Palma L95K or nothing

@914werke

Got one, what are your requirements?

pm sent

My motivation and time is coming back to me...

My Palma color in the sun is so nice. The seats were factory tan. Not sure if i want to stick with vinyl or something more comfortable. Not a big deal at this point.

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Nice looking solid example. Let me know if you lose your motivation.

Nice car.

I have one but unless you like lots of rust repair, it's super crusty but I intend to try and save it one of these days.

I'm looking a daily driver to a nice survivor, rust is an issue. I'd consider a project if any body issues are minimal or repairs are well documented. The car just above would be an excellent project. The only other exception for a project is if my original car was found, 07106, but I don't think it exists.

Careful what you wish for.....

I sent a cashier's check for a 1975 PG 2L project in March based on previous emails, pictures, and descriptions in phone conversations over the last couple of years. Up to that point I was told it would be available but there were other customers with cars that needed to get on the road and the '75 was a low priority.

The car was shipped in July. An earlier email stated the car included Mahle wheels, center console, fog lights and CA emissions. The seller sent a picture of the car on the transport and it had stock VW steel wheels. I emailed immediately and asked if the Mahles were in the car and if not, to ship them along with any other missing parts.

When the car arrived it was missing the Mahles, center console and fog lights. I didn't check on the CA emissions. It had more rust than described. It turns out the few photos provided were years old when the seller first acquired the car. The interior needs to be replaced although described as decent with no dash cracks. Cracks in the dash and door panel. I tried calling the seller with no response so an email was sent. The seller emailed back that the Mahles were scrapped and the car never had the other items. However, he emailed I could return the car but it would be at my expense. I immediately replied I would ship it back. All this time the car was stored 100 miles away at a shop where I intended to have it restored, bachracecraft.com

The seller afterwards demanded I sign a contract before I ship it back. I responded I had started the arrangements for shipping. I didn't hear anything for days until I emailed the seller the car was picked up and was on the way back. The letter containing the title was also returned unopened at the same time. Hours later I received an email with the contract which said I agreed to purchase the car as-is and would be responsible for any costs due to shipping, any alterations or damage, and any missing parts if returned. My lawyer advised me to not sign as it was not specific and open ended to allow any amount of money to be kept along with the car.

The seller refused delivery when it arrived at his business so the car was held at a secure storage facility in the area. The seller completely stopped communicating and ignored registered letters and calls from my lawyer. After five days I had the car shipped back to avoid more daily storage charges. It is back at the restoration shop where I haven't seen the car since it was first delivered. The unopened letter with the title was returned back to me.

I've hesitated posting anything about this since there would be no point of any discussion taking one side or the other. I have not been able to verify if the CA emissions was included yet. The restoration shop was involved with events at Road America and my car has been sitting to the side.

I looked it over when it first arrived briefly discussing the condition with the shop owner and taking a tour of the facility, all taking about two hours. The off the cuff estimate to restore was $40K, in rough condition but restorable. They will do a deeper assessment of body and mechanics so I can make a decision to go forward or sell the car. Odds are it will be sold to cut losses.

That really stinks. I have been following this thread as I love the Palma Green color also so I am interested as to how hard one is to acquire. Best of luck in your quest.

Sorry to hear this happened to you. May I ask which shop it’s at?

From what I understand Palma Green is a one year only color, how many exist in decent condition? I know it's a desirable color.

Best of luck with your search

It's currently at Bach Racecraft in Verona, WI. It was shipped from Seattle WA.

It is a one year color, L95K, and was the color of my first Porsche purchased new October 1975. Thanks for BoL.

Like this?

Ugh....As painful as it must have been to do so, thank you for sharing your experience. We all learn from each others experiences. Don't let it deter you. I've always found that if something falls through or burns us, there is always something better on the horizon. I'll certainly keep an eye out for a car that meets your requirements.

Thanks, there is still a slim chance of buying a car from a reputable dealer that has a customer with the car I'm interested in. My mistake was taking too much for granted dealing with a long time member/business here.

I always recommend driving or flying out to see the car. It sounds expensive until you have to deal with problems you didn’t expect. We all have our own perception of condition.

DP

I agree but would add you'd also have to observe the car being put on the transport to ensure parts aren't stripped before shipping. In this case, pictures and an email stated the parts to be included but were removed before shipping. Condition is subjective but showing and listing specific parts to be included is not. Steel wheels vs Mahles, yeah he won't notice.

Unfortunate, sound like you are dealing with a bad dude. Best of luck

Maybe you can send the boys over and rough him up a bit

If the example in your possession is solid, you may consider cutting you losses and move ahead. The number of PG examples is small and those being solid is less.

That is being considered. The car is at a shop and the next step is to do a deep evaluation of condition and to get it running and then I will decide from there. I sent another email to the seller requesting the missing parts but doubt he will respond. He's still posting on this site so I assume he has seen the email.

The business has been unresponsive to emails and phone calls. Complaints against the business have been filed with the state of Wisconsin department of Consumer Protection and the state of Washington Attorney Generals Office at the end of October.

Last week I requested a PPS from PCNA. In phone conversations, PCNA unofficially stated the car was built as a 1.8L not a 2L and confirmed by the format of the engine numbers and online public information the engine GC004587, albeit a 2L, and transmission HA01105 are from 1976 production. I'll have formal documentation in 1-2 weeks regarding a factory 1.8L build however the preliminary information was added to the complaints that the description of car (over time, phone calls and emails) was misleading.

I can only hope you prevail. Go get em’. No quarter, no mercy.

Send the boys to his front door, see if he changes his tune

Another tack would be to leave the negative in the past and move forward and get her running/driving/looking good

Good advice. I'm waiting for others to complete their work first. I received the official PPS document, it is a 1.8L. A copy of the document was sent to the two state agencies as both were interested in the new information.

Complaints filed with Washington State Attorney General Office, case 629217, and State of Wisconsin – Consumer Protection, case 134896, October 2022.

Business Name: 914werke
3514 NE 88th Street
Seattle, WA 98115

Bus Phone: (206) 455-3834
Email: info@914werke.com
Website: 914werke.com

Awaiting response from 914werke or the business attorney, Mr. B Bradford Kogut, for resolution.

Really none of my business, but my 2 cents would be to try to "squash" this. Whenever you buy a car sight unseen, the expectations/representations of said car are subjective. If you have written documentation that the car was supposed to come with Mahles, fog lights, emissions, etc., at "XXX" price in the same document, then I can see your beef.

Other than that, degree of rust can be subjective. Have you actually seen the car in person yet? I'm not trying to take sides or be argumentative, but you might already have a solid base ready for you to restore or have someone else restore. It's gonna be a lot more rewarding the sooner you can drive it, rather than to litigate it to death or search for a unicorn that you're not even sure still exists.

Also, again not taking sides, but Rich is a well respected member of the community. Honestly I don't know him at all, but I have purchased a handful of parts from him at reasonable prices with no drama, and they have all been received in "as advertised" or "better than advertised" condition. I really wish you the best in your restoration and hope you guys can bury this and move on.

I have the emails listing parts plus pictures taken by seller of the car, both as offered and when the shipper picked it up showing steel wheels. Emailed seller immediately to ship Mahles plus any other missing parts from description. Plus I have emails the car was a complete 2L..No mention that it is '75 1.8L with a '76 2L engine.Click to view attachment Click to view attachment

Extensive comprehensive documentation was provided to both state agencies.

Why don't you sell it on and look for another car. What did you pay for it? If you didn't want a project that does not look like the car you really want anyway.

I hope both parties can work it out. Life is too short to fight about old cars.

I can see you are looking for moral support or vindication, but that is not fair to ask for that on this forum.

Why? because it involves another member. It was a private transaction that, other than those directly involved, we collectively know nothing about. No proof to what was said, shown or promised. It is unfair to take either side.

The car looks far from numbers matching great. I would be surprised if it was offered as anything other than as is. If there were items missing that were promised or implied that is a different matter and maybe a matter of interpretation. The fact that it was sold as 2.0L and it had at 2.0L engine, how is that a misrepresentation? You had to get the records to prove it was built as a 1.8, so what?

Man, with those photos... somehow this is starting to look like a "sour grapes" purchase that the restoration will be more involved than was hoped. Caveat emptor or buyer beware comes to mind. If the two parties cannot come to a resolution, your only option is to go to court to have it addressed. Public consumer agencies are not going to be your solution. A judge has to decide where this ends and if there was any intent of misrepresentation or just a case of misinterpretation. I am guessing that the Mahles were "expected" because they were on the car in that photo. That could be a point of contention.

So many times there have been posts about checking the car out yourself or paying a third party to do it for you. Very wise words for everyone to remember. Possibly missing items aside, it avoids screwing yourself with unrealistic rose coloured glasses of sentimentalism giving you different expectations.

I just restored my 1983 Firebird (that I have had since new) and that cost almost double what I originally paid for it. Sentimentalism is expensive.

Best of luck. Like @mepstein said, life is too short to fight over old cars.