I just got back from my trip to Argentina (4wks) and I found this old 1998 mag at a new stand with a Yellow 914-6 GT on the cover, so I had to pick it up for my 914 club members.
It says that it is the original 914-6 GT that the Porsche sold to Fernandez brothers. It raced in various events and even the Monte Carlo. It seems to have been restored, it also has dual driver side windshield washers, I guess to better clean the dirt and snow.
I had heard that this 914 GT had been wrecked in Spain, if you look at the inside photos you will notice that the ignition is on the steering colum, as far as I know the only 914-6’s that had the starter key on the colum are from 1972.

In all this car looks neat and it adds one more GT if real to our list of 914’s.

I will added the photos as fast as I can, also don’t shoot me for the bad stitching Thanks


Quilmes

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Spanish GT front trunk

Spanish GT inside view

Spanish GT rear trunk

Spanish GT top view

Front water nozzel

Spanish GT dash

Man, I really dig the gas cap though the front trunk hood. Is there a kit to make the reguular cars like that? I guess it would be a rain trap...

Zach

I was just jonesing for some nice pictures of the GT hood with the proper pins - and presto!!!

Nice lookin car! Time to get out the old spanish text book and try to read that article....


Great find

thanks for taking the time to scan and post !!!!!!!

QUOTE (Quilmes @ Dec 5 2005, 04:21 PM)

Front water nozzel

ignition kill switch....

Did all of the GT's use the 911 gauge?? Never new that

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Dec 5 2005, 04:27 PM)

QUOTE (Quilmes @ Dec 5 2005, 04:21 PM) Front water nozzel ignition kill switch....

Next to the Kill switch you will see two driver side water nozzels.
If you also look at the top view of this 914 you will see a three(3) water nozzels.

I have never seen a 914 with three nozzels.

Quilmes

QUOTE (Quilmes @ Dec 5 2005, 05:03 PM)

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Dec 5 2005, 04:27 PM) QUOTE (Quilmes @ Dec 5 2005, 04:21 PM) Front water nozzel ignition kill switch.... Next to the Kill switch you will see two driver side water nozzels. If you also look at the top view of this 914 you will see a three(3) water nozzels. I have never seen a 914 with three nozzels. Quilmes

That's kinda cool, wouldn't be hard to do...drill one more hole and a tee and another nozzle.....cheap for unique.....

250 km speedo. cool.

Any chance the VIN number is shown somewhere in the article??????

QUOTE (Quilmes @ Dec 5 2005, 06:03 PM)

QUOTE (Aaron Cox @ Dec 5 2005, 04:27 PM) QUOTE (Quilmes @ Dec 5 2005, 04:21 PM) Front water nozzel ignition kill switch.... Next to the Kill switch you will see two driver side water nozzels. If you also look at the top view of this 914 you will see a three(3) water nozzels. I have never seen a 914 with three nozzels. Quilmes

totally over looked the third nozzle My bad

thanks for settin me straight!

QUOTE

Man, I really dig the gas cap though the front trunk hood. Is there a kit to make the reguular cars like that? I guess it would be a rain trap...

Martin Baker can set you up.

North_Bay_914 here or martinqbaker@sbcglobal.net

I love mine...

QUOTE (smg914 @ Dec 6 2005, 03:32 AM)

Any chance the VIN number is shown somewhere in the article??????

914.0.43.1569 - the ex Tergal Monte Carlo GT

owner is the president of the spanish Porsche Club



Gustl

QUOTE (Gustl @ Dec 5 2005, 10:02 PM)

914.0.43.1569 - the ex Tergal Monte Carlo GT

Interesting then, since 9140431569 is a 1970 914/6, and this car appears to either be a 914/4 or a 1972 914/6. Probably two different cars. The conversion to a GT is substantial with the GT 100 L tank. It would be nice to track it down and get more details.

AFAIK here are some guys who know spanish - I don't understand a single word (well, I know serveca )

this GT is owned by the president of the spanish Porsche Club

here's the homepage: http://www.clubporsche.es/

maybe anybody could ask for more details

Gustl

Anyone else notice the black headlight surrounds?

i wonder what the button to the right of the cig lighter is for?

k

QUOTE (Gustl @ Dec 6 2005, 06:16 AM)

AFAIK here are some guys who know spanish - I don't understand a single word (well, I know serveca ) this GT is owned by the president of the spanish Porsche Club here's the homepage: http://www.clubporsche.es/ maybe anybody could ask for more details Gustl

Hey Gustl, thanks for the info, I went on there web site and I could not find anything on his 914. I will e-mail the club and see if they might help us.

As I mentioned before I heard that this Yellow 914-6 had been in a wreck and possible thats why it has some 914-4 stuff on it. like the key on the colum.

There is also another article from a magazine Motor Clasico that shows the Kramer brother racing a red narrow body 914-6 in a vintaged rally and they came over all second. When I can I will scan this one too.

I guess that there are Kramers brothers in Spain also driving 914-6.

Thanks
Quilmes

QUOTE (JmuRiz @ Dec 6 2005, 10:52 AM)

Anyone else notice the black headlight surrounds?

What color should the headlight surrounds be? I painted mine black but I thought I saw a pic in an old magazine with black surrounds.

Spoke

QUOTE (Spoke @ Dec 6 2005, 09:58 AM)

QUOTE (JmuRiz @ Dec 6 2005, 10:52 AM) Anyone else notice the black headlight surrounds?  :idea: What color should the headlight surrounds be? I painted mine black but I thought I saw a pic in an old magazine with black surrounds. Spoke

early surrounds are white, actually off-white . . . I had noticed.

Hello Quilmes! Most if not all 1972 Porsche 914-6 cars were NOT finished at the Porsche factory as did the 1970-1971 year 914-6 model cars. This is why you'll find the 914-4 steering colunms, 914-4 levers, 914-4 relay board and 914-4 engine wiring harness (with an adapter) as well as the dead-give-away "ignition key-switch mounted on the steering column" as can be seen in this Yellow 1972 914-6 car.

Another possible interesting difference to verify about these 1972 cars; I know someone with a 1972 Porsche 914-6 and will ask him to check the motor mount and firewall to see if those 1972 Porche 914-6 cars left the assembly line with the correct early (70-71) 914-6 motor-mount bracket or a "914-4 to 914-6" engine adapter bracket installed... <!-- emo&<_< --><!-- endemo -->

It is my understanding that the 1972 produced Porsche 914-6 cars were built at the VW plant and are slightly "water-down" versions of the 1970-71 "Porsche" factory 914-6 built cars (and I'm not talking about the chassis). Unfortunately, most of us that are not familiar with the above details will often confuse and mistakenly identify these 72' model 914-6s (not many!) with the more common '914-4 to 914-6 street conversions'...

Armando <!-- emo&:blink: --><!-- endemo -->
http://www.pbase.com/9146gt

Is the 9140xxxxxx VIN listed above incorrect? If a 72 it should be 9142xxxxxx.

QUOTE (Porsche Rescue @ Dec 6 2005, 12:08 PM)

Is the 9140xxxxxx VIN listed above incorrect? If a 72 it should be 9142xxxxxx.

Well, yes it would be correct. There was only 260 914/6 in 1972 and this is far beyond that.

Then I am confused. Do all agree that it is a conversion and not a true GT?

QUOTE (davep @ Dec 6 2005, 01:13 PM)

QUOTE (Porsche Rescue @ Dec 6 2005, 12:08 PM) Is the 9140xxxxxx VIN listed above incorrect? If a 72 it should be 9142xxxxxx. Well, yes it would be correct. There was only 260 914/6 in 1972 and this is far beyond that.

I dont' know if this will answer your numbers questions but here it goes.

All 914-6 had the vin numbers from 1970 till 1972 reflect the year they where made.
example:
1970 914-6 would read 9140431111
1971 would be 9141431111
and of course a 914-6 from 1972 9142430260 the last number on the 914-6 list.
The number that changes is the one after the 914 indicatin what year the car is from .

Quilmes

QUOTE (Porsche Rescue @ Dec 6 2005, 02:18 PM)

Then I am confused. Do all agree that it is a conversion and not a true GT?

Not at all. It could easily be a 1972 914/6 but we don't know the VIN. We know a lot of 72 model 914/6 had flared fenders. First we need to establish that it is an original 914/6. Too little is known yet.

I know of no factory built 914-6 GT race cars in 1972 so I can confortably say the Porsche factory did not have anything to do with it. Maybe a "Porsche authorized dealer" ordered the necessary "GT" parts (100 liter tank, etc.) and that could probably be verified...

Armando

someone mentioned before that the original Tergal GT was wrecked
so it could be possible, that this yellow car has some parts of the Tergal GT, including the VIN ?

I contacted the guy who told me that the VIN of the yellow car is 914.0.43.1569 and asked him about the not matching things - I'm curious about his answer ...

Gustl

QUOTE (ajserrano @ Dec 6 2005, 03:33 PM)

I know of no factory built 914-6 GT race cars in 1972 so I can confortably say the Porsche factory did not have anything to do with it. Maybe a "Porsche authorized dealer" ordered the necessary "GT" parts (100 liter tank, etc.) and that could probably be verified...

last factory GT i know of was "914 143 0141", internal project number "914/58" ...


however, the later column *could* be a replacement if the car was wrecked at one point.
one would have to know the VIN for sure ...

Andy

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Dec 7 2005, 06:48 AM)

one would have to know the VIN for sure ...

well, I've got the VIN info from a really truthworthy guy
he's a long term member of the Porsche 914-6 Club in Germany and a kind of "master of historic research"

as I told you, I asked him about the mismatch
as far as I get his answer, I'll let you know

Gustl

QUOTE (Gustl @ Dec 7 2005, 12:43 AM)

"master of historic research"

we wait impatiently
for the masters
words of wisdom

QUOTE (SirAndy @ Dec 7 2005, 08:47 AM)

we wait impatiently

just got his answer:

tell me all the mystirious parts on this yellow GT (?) you can find, and he will ask the owner directly about them
due to the fact, that he's in Germany and the owner of this car is in spain, he'd like to check this out at once, so find as much as possible

1.) "wrong" ignition
2.) black headlight surroundings

what else?

Gustl

engine mount ?
i.e. are the /4 engine mount present, and how is the /6 engine mounted to the frame

The thing about the steering column, in my mind, is that going from the /6 column to the normal /4 column would entail a number of changes: it would mean changing the steel support structure that is welded to the frame, changing the wiper motor (or at least changing the wiring) changing the windshield washer mechanism to an air-activated one (or at least changing the wiring) changing a lot of the wiring for the ignition, the turn signals, the high beam switch etc . . .
For all those reasons, I suspect that if this car has the /4 steering column, it left the factory with it.

The obvious things for me would be the VIN, chassis #, and paint code from all the usual locations. The location of the chassis # from the rear trunk is also important; center or right hand side. The number on the underside of the dash would also help. If the chassis # is on the Karmann badge, does it match the trunk floor. Does the VIN match in all locations.

Does the passenger seat have fixed or adjustable position?
Is the dash early or late type?
Is the bracket for the booster fan in the engine compartment present?

This car looks like it has the late style striker plate for the door latch.
The steering wheel looks like it might be a '74 imitation leather wheel.
I notice it doesn't have the undercoating on the upper front shock mounts.
The passenger side threshold rail looks like it might be black plastic instead of aluminum. This would nicely match the black headlight surrounds.

Another thing to check would be to see if the jack mounts are located on the drivers side rear of the trunk instead on the forward wall of the trunk.

QUOTE (smg914 @ Dec 7 2005, 08:58 AM)

I notice it doesn't have the undercoating on the upper front shock mounts.

those were certainly repainted when they added the 100L tank and welded on the tabs for the strut-brace ...

Andy, I'm afraid I need your help

could you give me an essential summary of the questions/problems concerning the yellow car - in german

my english knowledge seems to be not enaugh...

Gustl

QUOTE (Gustl @ Dec 7 2005, 12:28 PM)

Andy, I'm afraid I need your help

ok, give me an hour or so, i'm having a biz-meeting in 5 minutes ....

Andy

well, you get at least 8 hours ... I'm going to bed now

Gustl

Gustl, wake up! ... It's been 3 years ...

Andy